New Orleans To Remove Excremental Rebel Monuments

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

this isn't N'Awlins but related

 

Mississippi elementary school to be renamed after President Obama

The public school, which had been named after Confederacy President Jefferson Davis, will be renamed to honor the USA's first black president.

[row_33]

That damages a high level of irony.

[Tiberius]

this isn't N'Awlins but related

 

Mississippi elementary school to be renamed after President Obama

The public school, which had been named after Confederacy President Jefferson Davis, will be renamed to honor the USA's first black president.

Nice!!

[row_33]

Just rename it George Jefferson & Miles Davis Elementary school

[B-Man]

Fourth Circuit: Maryland war memorial shaped like a cross is unconstitutional

 

Stupid, but unfortunately this stupidity is baked into the jurisprudential cake due to the intractability of the underlying problem. It’d be nice to set a bright-line rule about religious symbols on state land, where they’re either always okay or never okay. But neither of those positions works. You can’t have a system where they’re always okay or else you’re inviting overt attempts at religious indoctrination by the government. That would violate the Establishment Clause. At the other extreme, you can’t have a system where religious symbols are never permitted.

 

Imagine trying to remove the crosses at Arlington National Cemetery. Necessarily the analysis in cases about monuments is ad hoc, and just as necessarily that sort of analysis depends on the judge’s subjective view.

 

Courts are left trying to feel their way case by case, essentially taking a “I know it when I see it” approach to unconstitutional government-financed religious symbolism.

 

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A 40-foot cross at an intersection? Too much, says the Fourth Circuit:

Built in 1925 with funding from local families and The American Legion, the marble-and-cement

cross

honors 49 Prince George’s County men who died in the war. On the base are the words: valor, endurance, courage and devotion. A bronze tablet lists the names of the men and includes a quote from President Woodrow Wilson. The monument is part of a larger

memorial

park in the immediate area honoring veterans of several wars…

The Maryland-National Capital Park and Planning Commission, a state agency, owns the land and monument, and has spent about $117,000 to maintain and repair the

cross

, in addition to setting aside $100,000 for renovations…

The initial challenge in Maryland was brought by the American

Humanist

Association, a Washington-based group that represents atheists and others. The group did not dispute the monument is a

memorial

, but said in court that a giant

cross

on government property sends a message of exclusion in violation of the First Amendment…

 

 

 

 

.......Peace Cross

 

The Peace Cross is a war memorial, located in the three-way junction of Bladensburg Road, Baltimore Avenue, and Annapolis Road in Bladensburg, Maryland. Wikipedia

 

 

 

 

"We don't need no Peace Cross"

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

If it's white or Christian its evil.

[starrymessenger]

Just rename it George Jefferson & Miles Davis Elementary school

Don't know about George Jefferson (not into sitcoms) but Miles Davis is very cool.

[boyst]

Don't know about George Jefferson (not into sitcoms) but Miles Davis is very cool.

why do we have to go from one end of the spectrum to the other? Just name it after the god damn town

[/dev/null]

why do we have to go from one end of the spectrum to the other? Just name it after the god damn town

But the town was named by a white cis-male

[Paulus]

SJWs still trying to destroy statues in America... Ma Teddy ever do?

 

http://nypost.com/2017/10/26/teddy-roosevelt-statue-doused-in-red-paint/

[B-Man]

Please read the entire article, this what those of us who objected to this trend meant....................and were falsely called "nazi's, KKK, racist" for it by simpletons here.

 

 

Washington And Lee’s Christ Church To Obliterate Their Memorials Over Slave Ownership

 

People make slippery slope arguments for a reason. A movement’s proponents often play at incremental change, but there is a natural inclination to take any argument

 

to its logical conclusion. Any drive for change—even one that begins with good intent—has a tendency to spin out of control and become the most extreme version of

 

itself.

 

We see this now with the new iconoclasm. When, a few months ago, voices on the Left began to call for destroying Confederate statues across the South, voices for moderation cautioned that the mob’s demands for destruction, once unleashed, are difficult to contain.

We see this deepening extremism now as Christ Church, Alexandria, the Episcopal church that once numbered George Washington and Robert E. Lee among its parishioners, plans to obliterate the memory of those men from its sanctuary. For a church that values its past, as most old churches do, it shows a shocking disconnection from history. It is another step down that slippery slope of obliterating anything with which we disagree, of hiding away all that makes us remember unpleasantness or pain. It is burying the past instead of learning from it.

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Where Do We Go From Here?

We started the rash of statue-smashing by looking at the actions of the past and deciding that some things should no longer be honored. The harder question, the one the vestry of Christ Church is now grappling with is: where do we stop?

Slavery was, in many ways, America’s original sin. In secession, the Confederacy doubled down on that fault. So it was easy to say that the rebels’ founding fathers had no place in the republic’s public square. But can only perfect men be honored? Can only the blameless be remembered?

That surely cannot be the way, yet it is the path we are now treading, even as we were told, over and over, that things would go no further. Of course they will go further. They always go further. Radicals now demand that Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and James Madison join the ranks of enemies of the people. The people are getting woke, but what is awakened in them is turning into the stuff of nightmares.

They are not wrong about the facts. Washington did own human beings and take their labor without compensation. He was a slaveowner. His faults were different from our own, just as his times were, but in being flawed he is not unique. We are all sinful creatures. In joining a church and attending services we all, like Washington, are trying to be better. We all fall short at times.

Washington’s faults were not unique, but his good deeds were. For good reason, he has been called the indispensable man of the American Revolution. Thousands contributed to the rebellion’s success, but there is a good argument to be made that without Washington, the whole enterprise would have failed. That is a good thing to remember about the man who once sat in those pews, even as we also recall his faults. And it is a powerful message that even imperfect people can perform great and good works in the world.

Christ Church is a private organization, and none but their members may dictate how they should decorate their sanctuary or remember their past. But we should hope that those people will not let their certainty and hubris cloud their reason or make them cast aside their tradition. The past informs us, educates us, and shapes us. It is not dead, and we should not bury it.

[B-Man]

If DC Needed A New Statue I Suppose It Should Be Of This Guy

https://hotair.com/archives/2017/10/30/dc-needed-new-statue-suppose-guy/

 

Here’s the question plenty of people have been wrestling with. We’re tearing down statues, monuments and plaques left and right these days, but what’s going to replace them? Few older icons are safe from the chopping block. Even George Washington is getting flushed out of one church for making people feel “unsafe” inside.

 

What to do?

 

Clearly it’s time for some fresh blood and a new approach. Perhaps some more “regional” heroes could be memorialized in each city. Never fear, citizens. The District of Columbia is leading the way.

 

If all goes as planned, there will soon be a new statue there commemorating the glorious reign of none other than former D.C. Mayor Marion Barry.

[Koko78]

 

If all goes as planned, there will soon be a new statue there commemorating the glorious reign of none other than former D.C. Mayor Marion Barry.

 

 

Well, nothing encapsulates the left like a crackhead.

[B-Man]

HAVING SOLVED ALL OF ITS OTHER MYRIAD PROBLEMS, 

 

San Jose City Council Votes To Remove Columbus Statue.

[Nanker]

On 10/28/2017 at 3:25 PM, B-Man said:

Please read the entire article, this what those of us who objected to this trend meant....................and were falsely called "nazi's, KKK, racist" for it by simpletons here.

 

 

Washington And Lee’s Christ Church To Obliterate Their Memorials Over Slave Ownership

 

People make slippery slope arguments for a reason. A movement’s proponents often play at incremental change, but there is a natural inclination to take any argument

 

to its logical conclusion. Any drive for change—even one that begins with good intent—has a tendency to spin out of control and become the most extreme version of

 

itself.

 

We see this now with the new iconoclasm. When, a few months ago, voices on the Left began to call for destroying Confederate statues across the South, voices for moderation cautioned that the mob’s demands for destruction, once unleashed, are difficult to contain.

 

We see this deepening extremism now as Christ Church, Alexandria, the Episcopal church that once numbered George Washington and Robert E. Lee among its parishioners, plans to obliterate the memory of those men from its sanctuary. For a church that values its past, as most old churches do, it shows a shocking disconnection from history. It is another step down that slippery slope of obliterating anything with which we disagree, of hiding away all that makes us remember unpleasantness or pain. It is burying the past instead of learning from it.

 

{snip}

 

Where Do We Go From Here?

 

We started the rash of statue-smashing by looking at the actions of the past and deciding that some things should no longer be honored. The harder question, the one the vestry of Christ Church is now grappling with is: where do we stop?

 

Slavery was, in many ways, America’s original sin. In secession, the Confederacy doubled down on that fault. So it was easy to say that the rebels’ founding fathers had no place in the republic’s public square. But can only perfect men be honored? Can only the blameless be remembered?

 

That surely cannot be the way, yet it is the path we are now treading, even as we were told, over and over, that things would go no further. Of course they will go further. They always go further. Radicals now demand that Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and James Madison join the ranks of enemies of the people. The people are getting woke, but what is awakened in them is turning into the stuff of nightmares.

 

They are not wrong about the facts. Washington did own human beings and take their labor without compensation. He was a slaveowner. His faults were different from our own, just as his times were, but in being flawed he is not unique. We are all sinful creatures. In joining a church and attending services we all, like Washington, are trying to be better. We all fall short at times.

 

Washington’s faults were not unique, but his good deeds were. For good reason, he has been called the indispensable man of the American Revolution. Thousands contributed to the rebellion’s success, but there is a good argument to be made that without Washington, the whole enterprise would have failed. That is a good thing to remember about the man who once sat in those pews, even as we also recall his faults. And it is a powerful message that even imperfect people can perform great and good works in the world.

 

Christ Church is a private organization, and none but their members may dictate how they should decorate their sanctuary or remember their past. But we should hope that those people will not let their certainty and hubris cloud their reason or make them cast aside their tradition. The past informs us, educates us, and shapes us. It is not dead, and we should not bury it.

Big man with a horn.  

[njbuff]

It's the USA alright.................

 

United States of Anti-Americans when it comes to these ridiculously triggered snowflakes and their hate of statues.

 

My God, liberals are the dumbest MF's on this planet. FACT.

[Tiberius]

Quote

DURHAM, N.C.—“Let me be clear, no one is getting away with what happened.”

That was Durham County Sheriff Mike Andrews’s warning on August 15, 2017. The day before, a protest had formed on the lawn outside the county offices in an old courthouse. In more or less broad daylight, some demonstrators had leaned a ladder against the plinth, reading, “In memory of the boys who wore the gray,” and looped a strap around it. Then the crowd pulled down the statue, and it crumpled cheaply on the grass. It was a brazen act, witnessed by dozens of people, some of them filming on cell phones.

Andrews was wrong. On Tuesday, a day after a judge dismissed charges against two defendants and acquitted a third, Durham County District Attorney Roger Echols announced the state was in effect surrendering, dismissing charges against six other defendants.

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/02/durham-confederate-monument-charges-dismissed/553808/

[boyst]

Yep. They got away with it. And should be shot down like a rabid dog in the streets. 

[Tiberius]

3 minutes ago, Boyst62 said:

Yep. They got away with it. And should be shot down like a rabid dog in the streets. 

Butt hurt?

[DC Tom]

You must be thrilled that the law is being selectively upheld, Tibs...