Wagon Circler Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 I'm really not getting the Doug Whaley hate by some people. I feel that he put together a talented roster during the off-season (everyone did!). He picked three very good players in the draft without a first rounder. Signing Incognito and Clay were solid moves. McCoy is a good football player when healthy. He's made mistakes, such as the failure to address right tackle. But no team is perfect. He kept the defense intact, which I thought was a great move. Still not ready to give up on Tyrod Taylor who has a lot of talent. The blueprint was supposed to be to run the ball, mix in the pass and play great defense. He had no reason to believe that our defense would uhhhh...stink! He did not pick the defensive guru coach who ruined a very good defense, The team is underacheiving. It doesn't mean everyone is responsible. It is clear to me at least that this coaching staff is brutal, especially rex and crossman. Do you think we would be 3-3 with the Bowles- Gailey combo. I don't. Leave Whaley alone. And lets give Tyrod some more chances too. If the defense had lived up to billing, our record would be better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 I agree. Whalley has done a great job. The talent there. The coaching is not. Doug can buy top notch ingredients, but faux chef Rex can burn everything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman00 Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Also agree Whaley is not the problem. Rex hasn't lived up to his plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R2ITRich Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 The issues with Whaley involve: 1) The Current QB situation... Never adequately addressed in 2014, and did the same thing in 2015. 2) The RB Situation... Bungled situation at RB including the release of Jackson. 3) Has jeopardized the future of the Bills with paying a fortune for a front-four defensive line that can be easily game-planned against. Have the coaches helped his case? Certainly not... Do you need more reasons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elroy16 Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 I'm good with Whaley and I agree, I don't really understand the Whaley bashing. That said, what Rex has done to this defense is embarrassing. The D-line has been neutered by (I think) focusing too much on the run. There's no urgency on the pass rush. It's like they tie up the blocker and are waiting for the run so they can play their 2 gap responsibility, but when it's not a run, then they're tied up and don't get to the passer. That might not be right, but we're not seeing the front four go hard right at the snap. I used to get pissed when Jerry would jump offsides, but I'd prefer that over whatever the hell they're doing now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Why hasn't the team extended him yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 The issues with Whaley involve: 1) The Current QB situation... Never adequately addressed in 2014, and did the same thing in 2015. 2) The RB Situation... Bungled situation at RB including the release of Jackson. 3) Has jeopardized the future of the Bills with paying a fortune for a front-four defensive line that can be easily game-planned against. Have the coaches helped his case? Certainly not... Do you need more reasons? thats the first time I've heard anyone fault him for locking up Hughes and Dareus. That makes no sense. On Freddie, he has rushed the ball 10 times this season. He contributed 2 catches for 5 yards and 0 rushes to yesterday's loss. The Hawks are 2-4. He isn't missed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 The team isn't winning, so it's everyone's fault. Coaches, GM, owners, players, fans, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 I agree. Whalley has done a great job. The talent there. The coaching is not. Doug can buy top notch ingredients, but faux chef Rex can burn everything 100% agree. Consider that if Whaley were fired, he would be hired in about 10 seconds by another team. Rex or Thurman, not so much. And you can't blame Whaley for the QB situation like the Buffalo News continues to try to do. What QB did Whaley pass on in the draft that he should have taken? thats the first time I've heard anyone fault him for locking up Hughes and Dareus. That makes no sense. On Freddie, he has rushed the ball 10 times this season. He contributed 2 catches for 5 yards and 0 rushes to yesterday's loss. The Hawks are 2-4. He isn't missed. great response. Plus, K. Williams is MUCH better than FJAX at this point in their respective careers. And the front 4 can be game planned against because we really have a front-3 by playing a 3-4 defense that is totally not suited to our personnel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobot Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 I support every move that Whaley has made. He needs to be given more control...which may include him firing Rex..time will tell if Rex can adjust to the talented defensive roster and create more appropriate schemes.. it boggles my mind that we have to worry about this, as the defense was the one thing going into the season that I was comfortable with. People that try to point out that drafting EJ was a poor decision by Whaley are way out of line. Going into that draft the Bills did not have a starting qb or veteran on their roster (goodbye Fitz). We had no choice to take a qb in that draft. Whaley traded down and took EJ in the first. What would we rather hiim do? Go into the season without any quarterback and just forfeit the season? The next two qbs taken were Geno and Nassib. Hoping that any of these guys end up availabe in the later rounds was not an option based on the Bills current roster at the time. The Bills were handcuffed by a bad draft class of quarterbacks when they took EJ. Whaley made the only reasonable decision at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Whaleys done a fine job. Agreed that Rex and the coaching is the biggest issue. Hopefully Pegula sees it this way as well. I hope so too. If Whaley is gone, and Rex has input into a new QB, we will become the JETS of the past few years. We already are to a certain extent when you look at the terrible coaching job Rex has done. I support every move that Whaley has made. He needs to be given more control...which may include him firing Rex..time will tell if Rex can adjust to the talented defensive roster and create more appropriate schemes.. it boggles my mind that we have to worry about this, as the defense was the one thing going into the season that I was comfortable with. People that try to point out that drafting EJ was a poor decision by Whaley are way out of line. Going into that draft the Bills did not have a starting qb or veteran on their roster (goodbye Fitz). We had no choice to take a qb in that draft. Whaley traded down and took EJ in the first. What would we rather hiim do? Go into the season without any quarterback and just forfeit the season? The next two qbs taken were Geno and Nassib. Hoping that any of these guys end up availabe in the later rounds was not an option based on the Bills current roster at the time. The Bills were handcuffed by a bad draft class of quarterbacks when they took EJ. Whaley made the only reasonable decision at the time. and really, Whaley made the best decision at the time. No one would prefer Geno or Nassib over EJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 The issues with Whaley involve: 1) The Current QB situation... Never adequately addressed in 2014, and did the same thing in 2015. 2) The RB Situation... Bungled situation at RB including the release of Jackson. 3) Has jeopardized the future of the Bills with paying a fortune for a front-four defensive line that can be easily game-planned against. Have the coaches helped his case? Certainly not... Do you need more reasons? Good post. His handling of the QB situation coupled with the deal to get Sammy without a real QB would have seen his head on a platter in other organizations, regardless of other accomplishments he may enjoy. Further, this team was built to win now to save these guys' jobs now, at the expense of the near future. The problem is we are not winning now and it may get worse before it gets better. That will be around the time Pegula realizes he pulled a Sabres with the Bills and should have cleaned house up front. As with the Sabres, though, better late than never. I support every move that Whaley has made. He needs to be given more control...which may include him firing Rex..time will tell if Rex can adjust to the talented defensive roster and create more appropriate schemes.. it boggles my mind that we have to worry about this, as the defense was the one thing going into the season that I was comfortable with. People that try to point out that drafting EJ was a poor decision by Whaley are way out of line. Going into that draft the Bills did not have a starting qb or veteran on their roster (goodbye Fitz). We had no choice to take a qb in that draft. Whaley traded down and took EJ in the first. What would we rather hiim do? Go into the season without any quarterback and just forfeit the season? The next two qbs taken were Geno and Nassib. Hoping that any of these guys end up availabe in the later rounds was not an option based on the Bills current roster at the time. The Bills were handcuffed by a bad draft class of quarterbacks when they took EJ. Whaley made the only reasonable decision at the time. You support the sacrifices made to bring in Sammy without first securing a QB who can get him the ball? That's just foolish and that was a really bad deal, particularly as it came in a draft filled with WR talent that we didn't need to trade up to get. How can you support that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 At 3-3 I think it is premature for ALL of this talk My prediction for this year was 10-6 because our GM has done a wonderful job buying the groceries but we do in fact have all new coaches.....it takes some time. How many top players are injured? Look....I get that people are worried because the strength of our schedule is yet to come.....but lets not automatically assume these are losses....this team has not come close to playing its best ball yet. R.E.L.A.X. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynBills Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 2013 draft EJ Manuel(-) Robert Woods(+) Kiko Alonso(+) Marquise Goodwin(-) Duke Williams(-) Jonathan Meeks(Neutral) Dustin Hopkins(-) Chris Gragg(neutral) 2014 draft Sammy Watkins(+) Cyrus Kouandjio(-) Preston Brown(+) Ross Cockrell(-) Cyril Richardson(-) Randell Johnson(Neutral) Seantrell Henderson(+) 2015 draft Ronald Darby(+) John Miller(+) Karlos Williams(+) Tony Steward(neutral) Nick O'Leary(neutral) Dezmin Lewis(neutral) When you lay it out, his draft results look pretty underwhelming. He's used 3 1st round picks on EJ Manuel and Sammy Watkins and you cannot argue that the return there has been poor. Hindsight is 20/20, but the Manuel pick and Watkins trade were widely panned nationally and among people who analyze the NFL for a living. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills! Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 The issues with Whaley involve: 1) The Current QB situation... Never adequately addressed in 2014, and did the same thing in 2015. 2) The RB Situation... Bungled situation at RB including the release of Jackson. 3) Has jeopardized the future of the Bills with paying a fortune for a front-four defensive line that can be easily game-planned against. Have the coaches helped his case? Certainly not... Do you need more reasons? Ryan was handed the keys to a lambo, then took it to pep boys for some performance parts and gas additives now it runs like crap....thats our D... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 We're 3-3?!? Fire Littman!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 My prediction for this year was 10-6 because our GM has done a wonderful job buying the groceries but we do in fact have all new coaches.....it takes some time. Does Whaley know who he's shopping for or are these groceries for himself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHateMe Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 That Watkins trade up is looking worse and worse.. less so the Manuel pick since we traded back and got an extra pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuoteTheRaven83 Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 And his track record for drafting? In my opinion, 2013 and 2014 was a wash. People can say Sammy Watkins, but we should never have traded up for him. He seems to have done well with Darby and Karlos but other than that? Not impressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 2013 draft EJ Manuel(-) Robert Woods(+) Kiko Alonso(+) Marquise Goodwin(-) Duke Williams(-) Jonathan Meeks(Neutral) Dustin Hopkins(-) Chris Gragg(neutral) 2014 draft Sammy Watkins(+) Cyrus Kouandjio(-) Preston Brown(+) Ross Cockrell(-) Cyril Richardson(-) Randell Johnson(Neutral) Seantrell Henderson(+) 2015 draft Ronald Darby(+) John Miller(+) Karlos Williams(+) Tony Steward(neutral) Nick O'Leary(neutral) Dezmin Lewis(neutral) When you lay it out, his draft results look pretty underwhelming. He's used 3 1st round picks on EJ Manuel and Sammy Watkins and you cannot argue that the return there has been poor. Hindsight is 20/20, but the Manuel pick and Watkins trade were widely panned nationally and among people who analyze the NFL for a living. I'd change Duke to a neutral, considering where he was drafted. He's solid depth, not starter quality, which is fine. Meeks is a negative, since he hasn't done anything. Gragg is probably neutral, but if he continues to participate weekly, he's a positive again, relative to draft position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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