Big C Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 Me too and I agree, I don't see him changing his stripes. How many times did we hear him say he's not going to change who he is? Yeah. It's crazy to me that he can rave about how good the DL is and then have them drop into coverage all the time. All four of those guys should be rushing the passer, every time. You put crazy schemes into place to mask lack of physical talent. When your roster is stacked you just play good football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScrewyLouie Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 (edited) There weren't too many of us but I know I wasn't the only one who hated the Rex Ryan hiring. There were a few others who agreed with me. I wanted an offensive guy, (Josh McDaniels), since we already had the greatest defensive coordinator in Bills history. I figured if we got an offensive head coach he would agree to keep Scwartz to run his defense. Josh McDaniels was voted the BEST offensive coordinator in the NFL. I was imagining a Brady type offense, (obviously not quite as good as New Englands) with Schwartz's dominant top 5 defense. Josh McDaniels must have learned a ton from Old Billy in all the years they worked together. Most people that know me know what I think of Belichick. He's God's son who came down to coach the Patriots. He does wear a clever disguise, it makes him look like a regular human being. I think it's the hood that makes him look ordinary. Edited October 18, 2015 by ScrewyLouie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 (edited) There weren't too many of us but I know I wasn't the only one who hated the Rex Ryan hiring. There were a few others who agreed with me. I wanted an offensive guy, (Josh McDaniels), since we already had the greatest defensive coordinator in Bills history. I figured if we got an offensive head coach he would agree to keep Scwartz to run his defense. Josh McDaniels was voted the BEST offensive coordinator in the NFL. I was imagining a Brady type offense, (obviously not quite as good as New Englands) with Schwartz's dominant top 5 defense. Josh McDaniels must have learned a ton from Old Billy in all the years they worked together. But Josh was a young jackass ... he never would've painted his pickup in Bills colors. I'm sure he doesn't even have a pickup. Probably drives a Prius or something. That's why we needed an aging gastric bypassed cheerleader and foot fetishist! Edited October 18, 2015 by The Frankish Reich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 Ryan said after the game they would be looking at what they are doing and are open to making changes...its obvious what they are doing isn't working Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 Rex: Our DL didn’t get enough chances at Dalton Bills head coach Rex Ryan knew that Andy Dalton takes some long drops than some of the other quarterbacks Buffalo has faced this season. It should have spelled greater opportunities for Buffalo’s defensive linemen to get some heat on the Cincinnati QB and some sacks. But Buffalo’s sideline boss admitted he didn’t dial up enough opportunities for his big men up front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 Anybody really think this problem is something new. It is just a mediocre coach trying to fit the players into HIS scheme. The great coach's down through the years have adapted to the strengths of their players. Belichick is always adapting. Don Shula didn't have Dan Marino run the same attack he had run before. Why? his team couldn't and he used what was the teams strength. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 Is Thurman calling the plays or Rex? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 I am coming to the conclusion that Rex is running on reputation as a defensive genius. Could it be that Pettine was really the mastermind of the Jets D? The Bills did great with him as DC. They also did great with Jim Schwartz. Ryan, and Thurman, seem to have taken a great defense and made it average. They have a scheme that appears easy to figure out, and they don't make effective adjustments. Brady showed the league how to beat the Bills, and even though there's only one Brady, there are other excellent QBs, and they're all doing the same things. The pass rush QUIT. I saw several plays today when the Bills front four did the standard push they always do, then Dalton broke out of the pocket, and there was almost no pursuit. I'm afraid the D is quitting on their coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted October 18, 2015 Author Share Posted October 18, 2015 100%. This is a pass first league. We cant expect to win by covering the one thing teams dont do. They need to go back to Wide 9. The priority of stopping the run seems a bit anachronistic in today's NFL. They're getting shredded by pass-first offenses. I agree this is a big part of it. This is a run stop first defense in a league that barely even cares if you take the run away. Take last years Green Bay game for example. We allowed 158 yards rushing for 6.3 yards per carry. Green Bay had it's way on the ground. Buffalo didn't care. They left 7 to defend passing lanes the whole game basically letting the DL abandon gap responsibility and sell out rushing the passer. It led to probably the worst day of Rogers career. We begged GB to beat us with the run and like most QB oriented teams, they just wouldn't stay with it. The DL looks like it has rarely been positioned to just free lance and is stuck playing assignment football. I understand fundamentally that is the way you play defense, but as a franchise if you decide to unbalance the pocket book to the extent we did on the DL, let them do what they do. Which is rush the passer, not play assignment football. I'm not a quick reactor to one game, but I'm very concerned we now find ourselves stuck with a HC that is going to waste the obscene talent we have on the DL over scheming. If you want to find the source of the perceived rift between Whaley and Rex, I would have to think it's how our DL is being utilized. Rex is also in for a rude awakening with his "Let players be players" approach. The heat on the DL's lack of productivity is turning up. The more it turns up, the more Mario has to answer why he isn't doing anything, like the rest, the more we will hear about the DL not being happy in this system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 This defense sucks. See quarterback...get quarterback is the only scheme the front four need. But...suppose that's not cute enough of a scheme for Ryan and Co. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 @MatthewFairburn Mario Williams doesn't seem too enthused with his role in Rex Ryan's defense. Said he might have set a record for dropping in coverage today Mario said he probably set a personal record for dropping into coverage ... didn't say he's "unhappy" with role but sure sounded like it Yeah, let's drop Mario into coverage. Idiots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayman Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 Defense not being used as designed. Offense hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 Yeah, let's drop Mario into coverage. Idiots To be fair, he's a better choice than Kyle who has also been there. Is Ryan constulting with the stache on how to destroy a defense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 @TyDunne Bradham also noted there's still communication problems on #Bills D. Sounds like guys in secondary weren't in the right call at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 @TyDunne Bradham also noted there's still communication problems on #Bills D. Sounds like guys in secondary weren't in the right call at times. Several times there were major changes after lining up because guys were in total wrong spots. See the cartwheel touchdown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 There are probably some scheme things that can be changed but some of this is just regression to the mean. What is the Bills D going to do, set a new sack record every year? Teams ( and coaches) are going to try and take that strength away. The good QBs they have faced were largely able to do that. And let's forget the Belichick references about players & schemes. He's run the same D in NE for years and drafts players that can do what he wants. He's not a new HC of a new team that inherited a roster . Fancy explanations are fine but sometimes it's just little things. Why is Seattles D blowing games? They have all their same guys back, no? Sometimes players just aren't playing as well or are just getting beat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Rex has to give up his ego and go back to the wide 9. It worked and they all know it. We have the players for it, and it was the 4th best defense. Once we get McKelvin, and Aaron Williams back after the bye, we should improve. They won't be on the field the entire game when we hopefully get everyone back on offense after the bye. We may have to win ugly next week, but we can beat the Jags. I've seen a couple of their games, and very beatable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 (edited) Several times there were major changes after lining up because guys were in total wrong spots. See the cartwheel touchdown. They had only 10 men on the field that made a timeout necessary when the Bengals had a trips right formation. Lining up Rambo on Eifert is not smart.....TD! I called that as soon as I noticed. Edited October 19, 2015 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Mario Williams stated after the game that he probably set a record by dropping into pass coverage. http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/182076-mario-williams-talks/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 There are probably some scheme things that can be changed but some of this is just regression to the mean. What is the Bills D going to do, set a new sack record every year? Teams ( and coaches) are going to try and take that strength away. The good QBs they have faced were largely able to do that. And let's forget the Belichick references about players & schemes. He's run the same D in NE for years and drafts players that can do what he wants. He's not a new HC of a new team that inherited a roster . Fancy explanations are fine but sometimes it's just little things. Why is Seattles D blowing games? They have all their same guys back, no? Sometimes players just aren't playing as well or are just getting beat. Big regression. On pace for 24 sacks. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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