Nihilarian Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 (edited) Part of being great in the NFL means playing well banged up too. Sammy is incredible, but let's face it.... He has been out performed by other guys in his draft class, after getting drafted as the runaway best. Pissing into the wind dude. Bills fans don't want to admit the Buffalo overpaid for Watkins or that he seems to be constantly playing injured or fragile because last year it always seemed like he was playing with an injury, hamstring, ribs, hip surgery, and now this year with a calf injury. Then last season he was being coached by mental midgets who opted to use him as a decoy because they couldn't figure out how to get him into space. Some of us are still patiently waiting for Sammy to step up into the elite world of a Julio Jones, AJ Green, Antonio Brown type WR's who can single handedly take over a game with 10+ catches for over a 100+ yards, and multiple TD's Look at Julio's Numbers for the first three games. first game 12 rec for 141 yards, 2 TDs. second game 13 rec for 135 yards. third game 12 rec for 164 yards, 2 TD's Sammy's numbers first game this year 0-0-0, second game, 6 rec, 60 yards, 1 TD. third game. 1 rec for 39 yards. Just be content to be happy that the Bills might have finally found a QB good enough to get the receivers the ball on a regular basis, and we will see what the future brings. Think he was hurt and got caught with weed one season. Absolutely crushed it after that. What gets me is Sammy was particularly great in one aspect at Clemson, and that was in screen passes. Has Watkins even been in a screen pass play in Buffalo? Get...the...kid...in...space!!! Edited September 28, 2015 by Nihilarian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Part of being great in the NFL means playing well banged up too. Sammy is incredible, but let's face it.... He has been out performed by other guys in his draft class, after getting drafted as the runaway best.It's also stupid to play your injured players when you are winning by 30. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 (edited) Pissing into the wind dude. Bills fans don't want to admit the Buffalo overpaid for Watkins or that he seems to be constantly playing injured or fragile because last year it always seemed like he was playing with an injury, hamstring, ribs, hip surgery, and now this year with a calf injury. Then last season he was being coached by mental midgets who opted to use him as a decoy because they couldn't figure out how to get him into space. Some of us are still patiently waiting for Sammy to step up into the elite world of a Julio Jones, AJ Green, Antonio Brown type WR's who can single handedly take over a game with 10+ catches for over a 100+ yards, and multiple TD's Look at Julio's Numbers for the first three games. first game 12 rec for 141 yards, second game 2 TDs. 13 rec for 135 yards. third game 12 rec for 164 yards, 2 TD's Sammy's numbers first game this year 0-0-0, second game, 6 rec, 60 yards, 1 TD. third game. 1 rec for 39 yards. Just be content to be happy that the Bills might have finally found a QB good enough to get the receivers the ball on a regular basis, and we will see what the future brings. What gets me is Sammy was particularly great in one aspect at Clemson, and that was in screen passes. Has Watkins even been in a screen pass play in Buffalo? Get...the...kid...in...space!!! While Tyrod has been great so far, we don't quite have a Matt Ryan, Ben Roethlisberger or even Andy Dalton type QB to throw him the ball. Everyone will openly admit that (Plus our line) for his rookie year at least. Also stats from those 3 WR's in their first 2 years (3 for Antonio since he didn't play most of his first year) Julio Jones 13 games played 96 targets 54 rec 959 yards 8 tds 16 games played 129 targets 79 rec 1,198 yards 10 tds AJ Green 15 games played 116 targets 65 rec 1,057 yards 7 tds 16 games played 164 targets 97 rec 1,350 yards 11 tds Antonio Brown 9 games played 19 targets 16 rec 167 yards 0 tds 16 games played 123 targets 69 rec 1,108 yards 2 tds 13 games played 105 targets 66 rec 787 yards 5 tds Sammy Watkins 16 games played 128 targets 65 rec 982 yards 6 tds On par for 70 targets 37 rec 528 yards 5 tds Does anyone realistically believe that Sammy is a 528 yard receiver? Can we please acknowledge other factors beyond "Sammy just isn't good enough"? Geez for the love of god just look at the tape. Edited September 28, 2015 by What a Tuel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnywo Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 (edited) No reason to look at the tape....or compare statistics for that matter. Edited September 28, 2015 by johnnywo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceWarMemorial Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 This isn't correct. We didn't "give up" 2 first round picks. We gave up one and used the other to move up. Gave up two as you said implies the Bills lost 2 first round picks which is completely untrue. Mike Evans was another option.......the Bucs took him. oddly.......he's having the same kind of "can't stay healthy" issues Sammy is. both amazing athletes...can't avoid injury. anyone remember yatil green? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Ok, so Sammy isn't living up to expectations of a high first round pick... what do you guys propose we do with him? He's still a starting level talent, so I can't see us benching him for Hogan... I don't really understand this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceWarMemorial Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 I don't really understand this thread. He's Injured.......all the time. you're welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 While Tyrod has been great so far, we don't quite have a Matt Ryan, Ben Roethlisberger or even Andy Dalton type QB to throw him the ball. Everyone will openly admit that (Plus our line) for his rookie year at least. Also stats from those 3 WR's in their first 2 years (3 for Antonio since he didn't play most of his first year) Julio Jones 13 games played 96 targets 54 rec 959 yards 8 tds 16 games played 129 targets 79 rec 1,198 yards 10 tds AJ Green 15 games played 116 targets 65 rec 1,057 yards 7 tds 16 games played 164 targets 97 rec 1,350 yards 11 tds Antonio Brown 9 games played 19 targets 16 rec 167 yards 0 tds 16 games played 123 targets 69 rec 1,108 yards 2 tds 13 games played 105 targets 66 rec 787 yards 5 tds Sammy Watkins 16 games played 128 targets 65 rec 982 yards 6 tds On par for 70 targets 37 rec 528 yards 5 tds Does anyone realistically believe that Sammy is a 528 yard receiver? Can we please acknowledge other factors beyond "Sammy just isn't good enough"? Geez for the love of god just look at the tape. Thank you for pointing out these stats. I was going to try to do that to make the same point you are. Also, Sammy is a much better blocker than any of these guys. He opens lanes for RB, other WR's and our TE's. The guy is a baller. And Rex was smart to hold him out when winning by 30 or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsForever Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 (edited) I just realized today that Beckham has been putting up those Godly numbers without Cruz the entire time. My goodness this guy is unbelievable. Edited September 28, 2015 by BuffaloBillsForever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 He's Injured.......all the time. you're welcome. So what do you propose the solution is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsForever Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 So what do you propose the solution is? Transplant Sammy Watkins face on Odell Beckhams Jr.'s body? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Transplant Sammy Watkins face on Odell Beckhams Jr.'s body? How about something realistic? It appears the fans are very unhappy with Sammy's production, so what should be done about it? Cut him? Trade him? Fire Whaley? Lets get constructive instead of whiny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 How about something realistic? It appears the fans are very unhappy with Sammy's production, so what should be done about it? Cut him? Trade him? Fire Whaley? Lets get constructive instead of whiny. So fans can't express disappointment with a player? Everyone agrees he is an incredible talent, but part of being "great" is actually playing in games, and catching passes. Apologists ("and have you seen his blocking? Woah!") only want to talk about his talent, and extrapolate his stats ("if he played in all the games, his stats would be awesome!"). I think he will have some great games, and I still expect him to be a great player, but so far there is no way to spin it, he hasn't been worthy of the extra #1 pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Ok, so Sammy isn't living up to expectations of a high first round pick... what do you guys propose we do with him? He's still a starting level talent, so I can't see us benching him for Hogan... I don't really understand this thread. A fan started this thread because of his picking Sammy Watkins for his fantasy team hasn't paid off just yet, and he was whining about it. So what do you propose the solution is? Do Nothing, and be patient! I made a positive post stating I'm patiently awaiting the days when Sammy will take over a game like some of the elite WR's today, and that the Bills might have found that elusive franchise QB that so very few teams have. Yet it gets misconstrued as I'm bashing Sammy. A brand new coaching staff is learning how to use all the weapons on the team. A new QB with just three game starts is learning how to throw from the pocket, and make plays with all the weapons at his disposal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 A fan started this thread because of his picking Sammy Watkins for his fantasy team hasn't paid off just yet, and he was whining about it. Do Nothing, and be patient! I made a positive post stating I'm patiently awaiting the days when Sammy will take over a game like some of the elite WR's today, and that the Bills might have found that elusive franchise QB that so very few teams have. Yet it gets misconstrued as I'm bashing Sammy. A brand new coaching staff is learning how to use all the weapons on the team. A new QB with just three game starts is learning how to throw from the pocket, and make plays with all the weapons at his disposal. I didn't misconstrue that you were bashing Sammy. I was pointing out that last year with an inferior offense, and QB, he put up comparable numbers to the three elite WR's you listed's rookie years. Just like Mario Williams, fans have ungodly expectations for the players we pay a lot for. I agree though, nothing needs to be done, we need to be patient and wait for Tyrod to build a rapport with Sammy. He seems to have a special connection with Harvin, probably because he practiced with him all offseason while Sammy was recovering from hip surgery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxxer Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 I don't recall him missing any games due to injury. The reference site I just checked had him at 13, 10 and 13 games on his three seasons. I know he served a suspension as a sophomore Thanks JM57 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceWarMemorial Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 How about something realistic? It appears the fans are very unhappy with Sammy's production, so what should be done about it? Cut him? Trade him? Fire Whaley? Lets get constructive instead of whiny. we're not "sick of his production". we're sick of his injuries....as everyone here I would guess.....would be loving his production.....if he was healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Quint Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 I know he served a suspension as a sophomore So he has character issues too?? Cut him and fire Whaley. Heads. Will. Roll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 I peed five times today. Yesterday, I only peed three times. Am I getting better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohiostyle Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Ok, so Sammy isn't living up to expectations of a high first round pick... what do you guys propose we do with him? He's still a starting level talent, so I can't see us benching him for Hogan... I don't really understand this thread. Madden GM's be qualified to make personnel decisions! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 (edited) I peed five times today. Yesterday, I only peed three times. Am I getting better? No. You're getting worse. Pee is waste so you are wasting more than you are capable of producing. Edited September 29, 2015 by The Wiz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Offense looks pretty good without Sammy. Don't miss him at all huh ? Get out of here with this nonsense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Offense looks pretty good without Sammy. Don't miss him at all huh ? Get out of here with this nonsense yeah people have no idea just how much he opens the offense up for everyone. WR's are getting blanketed today without him drawing coverage away from them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fast*eddie Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Sammy is only a "part time" player . Gets hurt too much . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 No question they missed him today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 I think they missed the combination of Watkins AND McCoy. And I think Roman tried to play too close to the vest because they were out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 I think they missed the combination of Watkins AND McCoy. And I think Roman tried to play too close to the vest because they were out. It was a terrible offensive gameplan. I realize Watkins and McCoy were out but how do you go from such a brilliant gameplan in Miami to this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 (edited) It was a terrible offensive gameplan. I realize Watkins and McCoy were out but how do you go from such a brilliant gameplan in Miami to this one. I think they wanted to run the ball because they figured without Watkins, it would be tight coverage. So they thought "Karlos can do it", but the Giants shut it down. They couldn't run outside at all without McCoys speed. So they ran into the teeth of the waiting defense. They needed to throw downfield, but didn't have the balls, until they were forced into it. Pre-snap adjustments aren't a Tyrod strength (at least at this point). I see some plays that get stonewalled where he should have changed the play. There was one were Karlos lost about 6 yards because there was a DB tight on the line, and there was no way anyone was gonna block him. Out-coached. Edited October 4, 2015 by HoF Watkins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 I think they wanted to run the ball because they figured without Watkins, it would be tight coverage. So they thought "Karlos can do it", but the Giants shut it down. They couldn't run outside at all without McCoys speed. So they ran into the teeth of the waiting defense. They needed to throw downfield, but didn't have the balls, until they were forced into it. Pre-snap adjustments aren't a Tyrod strength (at least at this point). I see some plays that get stonewalled where he should have changed the play. There was one were Karlos lost about 6 yards because there was a DB tight on the line, and there was no way anyone was gonna block him. Out-coached. Either terribly out coached or they don't believe in tyrod. Plenty of times we saw tyrod looking for play calls when we either should've been calling two in or quick to the line with TT making his own call too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronyAbounds Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 It was a terrible offensive gameplan. I realize Watkins and McCoy were out but how do you go from such a brilliant gameplan in Miami to this one. Well, perhaps it has to do with Miami having a terrible defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Well, perhaps it has to do with Miami having a terrible defense. There was a very noticeable difference in motion, formations, etc..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 (edited) Either terribly out coached or they don't believe in tyrod. Plenty of times we saw tyrod looking for play calls when we either should've been calling two in or quick to the line with TT making his own call too. They may not believe in him, but they should have put the game in his hands NOT Karlos Williams. Tyrod needs to get better at the pre-snap adjustments, and up-tempo situations. I believe he can, and will. But they needed to throw downfield way earlier. The coaches played to the tempo that the Giants wanted. Edited October 4, 2015 by HoF Watkins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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