dave mcbride Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/J/JackFr02.htm This was the first site I plucked the stats from. Now I'm not sure if they are grading them differently or what but I see most sites show he has 3 Fumbles all on receiving. Yeah, it's tricky. Espn.com feeds from nfl.com, and I don't know where pfr (which I love) feeds from. Regardless, you gotta include the reception numbers in the total touches (which you didn't do in the original post). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Fundamentally false. He had 3 fumbles (none lost) on 207 touches (including receptions). http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/10195/fred-jackson I think pro football reference is a pretty good standard. I haven't found them to be wrong before. Fred fumbled five times last year and three the year before. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/J/JackFr02.htm And the Buff News stats has him at five last year, too. http://bills.buffalonews.com/players/fred-jackson/331161 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
negativo Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Amazing how the stats fly every time Brown fumbles. Some put together these amazingly creative stats...like, "He's only fumbled and had it recovered by an opponent who subsequently converted it to a touchdown 0.89 times over the past 41 games, which ties him with Everette Bramblefoot of the Canton Bulldogs for fewest since 1922." Dude is on such a short leash you could call it a choker. My guess: Ryan will never dress him, so there will be zero fumbles from Bryce in 2015. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 (edited) Amazing how the stats fly every time Brown fumbles. Some put together these amazingly creative stats...like, "He's only fumbled and had it recovered by an opponent who subsequently converted it to a touchdown 0.89 times over the past 41 games, which ties him with Everette Bramblefoot of the Canton Bulldogs for fewest since 1922." Dude is on such a short leash you could call it a choker. My guess: Ryan will never dress him, so there will be zero fumbles from Bryce in 2015. ...he... ...did... ...not... ...fumble... Edited September 4, 2015 by Boyst62 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somnus00 Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 I always enjoy reading Bill from NY's "10 things" posts. But you've done a good job this preseason. No reason we can't have two lists. Just stay away from the Grateful Dead lyrics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pepsicat17 Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Bill in NYC post are good but you're are just as good. So please keep doing them I'm sure other people like them. I see no reason to stop. I hoping you will reconsider and keep doing them once the regular season starts. You do a great job. I agree - well I don't always agree with your points, but I do agree that you should continue these threads. I know for one I enjoy reading them. There's room for many opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeyBomb Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Yeah, it's tricky. Espn.com feeds from nfl.com, and I don't know where pfr (which I love) feeds from. Regardless, you gotta include the reception numbers in the total touches (which you didn't do in the original post). I should have for both. I didn't for neither. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 (edited) Dunno what game you watched? But IMO Matt Simms is the one that should be worried. That backwards throw was classic and reminded me of Mr Buttfumble. What a way to turn the ball over The game really has no relevance because mostly backups were playing as teams don't want any starters getting hurt. Nobody was injured by the coaches must have been pulling out their hair with all the penalties. The one vet that stood out to me was Kraig Urbik playing center, and his fumbled snap & bad hand off. I gotta wonder if they keep him and his 2mill a year. Edited September 4, 2015 by Nihilarian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 (edited) Rapid Reaction - 10 Observations About Tonight's Game 10) Is there a more inconsequential, boring annual tradition game than Bills/Lions preseason Week 4? Used to be just a few years ago that the starters would play at least a series or two before getting the hook. Now the first teamers get the night off while season ticket holders pay full price to watch a lineup that might not beat a top CFL squad. The best thing about this game is that it is over and we can finally play some football for keeps on September 13th. 9) Matt Simms played the whole game and the secord year pro didn't look too shabby (the 30-yard backward pass nonwithstanding). He finished 22-38 with 223 yards and proved that he can put some real zip on the ball. He showed flashes of his father's pocket presence and did far better than other QBs (Jordan Palmer, Matt Leinart ) the Bills have trotted out for this game. He certainly looked capable of being the thrid string QB. Matt Cassel should be worried. 8) Bryce Brown is a real burner and there is always an anticpation when he touches the ball that he could take it to the house. Unfortunately, there is also the anticpation that him carrying the football is like your tipsy Aunt Bernice wobbling around with a half-full glass of Chablis - it's going on the carpet. He fumbled early in the game, but was ruled down, then coughed it up in the second quarter, but recovered it himself. Man, I wish Stickum was still legal because Brown scares me every time I see number 35 get the rock. 7) Slightly off-topic, but it was the big news of the week: I'm glad that we're going to see Brady in week 2. I watched most of Brady's preseason throws and he looked to be on the decline while Garoppolo looked much improved. I know, Brady has been given last rites before only to turn around and lead the *Pats to the Super Bowl. Still, he's no spring chicken and the wheels have to come off sometime, right? Anyway, if you want to build a bully it starts by facing the guy that's been bullying you for years and cracking him right in the piehole. 6) I think Chriss Gragg has nailed down the last TE spot and I'm really bummed that Nick O'Leary no-showed the entire summer. Not so much because I expected more from the Mackey Award winner, but because we won't have his grandfather, Jack Nicklas hanging around One Bills Drive on game days. How cool would it have been for the cameras to pick up a shot of the Golden Bear sitting in Terry & Kim's private box sharing a laugh as Mario Williams slammed Brady into the turf? Alas, maybe the kid will stick on the practice squad and rediscover his passion for making plays in the passing game. Does Gragg's grandad even own a set of golf clubs? 5) I think my favorite backup player on the Bills is Safety Bacarri Rambo. Aside from having a name that sounds like it was written for a Sly Stallone Bond villian, Bacarri makes plays all over the field and is a sure tackler. Now if Rogue could only find us a waiver wire player named Rocky Hennessy. 4) Dan Carpenter didn't do himself any favors by missing another field goal tonight. Rex called him out during the week and Dan the Man does not look like the automatic three-point machine Bills fans fell in live with last season. Possibly catching some collateral damage might be kickoff specialist Jordan Gay. If the Bills decide to cut Carpenter and they bring in a kicker with a stronger leg on kickoffs both of the current Buffalo kickers might get their pink slips on Saturday. Dustin Hopkins anybody? 3) The Bills defense was stout against the run all preseason. Not just the starters, but the reserves as well. It may mean nothing once they lace them up for real, but if the Bills keep stuffing the run like they have this is going to be one hard team to score against. 2) They say that guys were playing for jobs tonight, but I think most of the decisions on the final 53 have already been made. If it means anything come Saturday, 5 players that stood out for me tonight were: WR Dez Lewis, FB John Conner (he looks like one of the football playing robots from the Jetsons), CB Mario Butler, LB AJ Tarpley and newcomer Kevin Reddick. 1) Prediction time: I think the Bills are poised to have a strong season. The defense has the potential to be one of the best ever and I believe that the offense will shock some folks from coast to coast. It's been a long time since we've had a playoff game at the Ralph - that's about to change as the Bills go 11-5 and break the 15-year playoff drought. (It's been a blast posting here during preseason, but I will step aside in the regular season out of deference to Bill from NYC, as I feel it is his domain on TSW. Anybody interested in reading the column during the regular season can click the Facebook link below.) Maybe Bryce can get a sticky arm sleeve that is made out of the stuff for gloves, My kid finally decided to play football this yr, which is great but it will be his only yr ... kids, anyway his gloves are super grippy and would be ideal for a sleeve. Edited September 4, 2015 by Buffalo Barbarian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 (edited) Everyone else was saying Simms was sucking, what made him look so good? Did you watch or listen? he grades 5/6 out of 10 in just about every category to assess a QB: arm strength, reading defense, accuracy, scrambling, decision making, etc etc .... which makes him your typical camp arm. Edited September 4, 2015 by JTSP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 (edited) 9) Matt Simms played the whole game and the secord year pro didn't look too shabby (the 30-yard backward pass nonwithstanding). He finished 22-38 with 223 yards and proved that he can put some real zip on the ball. He showed flashes of his father's pocket presence and did far better than other QBs (Jordan Palmer, Matt Leinart ) the Bills have trotted out for this game. He certainly looked capable of being the thrid string QB. Matt Cassel should be worried. 4) Dan Carpenter didn't do himself any favors by missing another field goal tonight. Rex called him out during the week and Dan the Man does not look like the automatic three-point machine Bills fans fell in live with last season. Possibly catching some collateral damage might be kickoff specialist Jordan Gay. If the Bills decide to cut Carpenter and they bring in a kicker with a stronger leg on kickoffs both of the current Buffalo kickers might get their pink slips on Saturday 9. Except for that backwards pass. 4. Based on Rex's post-game comments, Carp is hangin' on by a thread. Edited September 4, 2015 by Freddie's Dead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 ChevyVanMiller, please reconsider and keep these going during the regular season. You've earned it. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhode Island Red Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 All "stat facts' aside, so long as you keep coming up with laugh lines like "there is also the anticpation that him carrying the football is like your tipsy Aunt Bernice wobbling around with a half-full glass of Chablis - it's going on the carpet.", and "Does Gragg's grandad even own a set of golf clubs?" you should keep posting!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsxfirefighter Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 I should have for both. I didn't for neither. Dukey, If you scroll a little further down that page it discusses the Fumbles in more detail. Said he had 5 Fumbles, but recovered 4 of them for a net of 1 Fumble Lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Bryce fumbled twice? Unbelievable. This guy will never touch the ball during the regular season. He may be the #1 back going into the Colts game, and if that does't scare you, nothing does. He didn't have an "official" fumble, just out it on the carpet twice—and he only had 9 carries. Hard to believe Rogue put all his chips in this guys, just so hard to believe. I always enjoy reading Bill from NY's "10 things" posts. But you've done a good job this preseason. No reason we can't have two lists. Just stay away from the Grateful Dead lyrics. agreed, thanks for the engaging, thoughtful, and humorous perspective Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 It sure sounds like Rex is through with Carpenter but realistically, I don't think there are any great kickers out there selling insurance waiting for a call. The guy was hurt and hasn't had the time to kick the rust off the tires yet. I am not ready to part with a kicker who has hit as many +50 yard FG's as Carpenter has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l< j Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 I always enjoy reading Bill from NY's "10 things" posts. But you've done a good job this preseason. No reason we can't have two lists. Just stay away from the Grateful Dead lyrics. Plus it feels like these posts are in a particular order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 ChevyVanMiller, please reconsider and keep these going during the regular season. You've earned it. Thanks! Agreed, but please also edit your first post so we don't have to keep reading this fumble crap about a guy who didn't fumble last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChevyVanMiller Posted September 4, 2015 Author Share Posted September 4, 2015 Everyone else was saying Simms was sucking, what made him look so good? Did you watch or listen? I said that he looked good enough to be the 3rd string QB and I stand by that analysis. He showed a strong arm and good vision downfield. That's what I saw. One time after he was down on his back well after the play the ball came out. Did I miss an actual fumble? I thought Brown and Tarpley were the only ones that really helped themselves. And Reddick but he is so new. The play that I thought Bryce fumbled on was a first down play with about 5 minutes left in the 2nd quarter. In watching it back this morning I realized that he was grabbed around the ankles and dove to the ground as a result, the ball didn't come out. I amended the original post because Mr. Brown takes enough slack without me crediting him with fumbles that didn't happen. My bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent 91 Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Dukey, If you scroll a little further down that page it discusses the Fumbles in more detail. Said he had 5 Fumbles, but recovered 4 of them for a net of 1 Fumble Lost. But he still fumbled 5 times. This argument is not about fumbles lost. Whoever had more, had more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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