NoSaint Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 I do think EJ is better. But, can anyone honestly say that if EJ came into the field they would know what to expect from him? He looks a lot better in preseason, no question. Still some accuracy inconsistencies but a lot better. The one thing that potentially makes Cassel an asset is that you know exactly what you're getting. I just think we have too good a chance to make the playoffs to release the only known commodity at QB. i will say i think EJ in his handful of games doesnt look substantially worse than cassel in his showings the last several years. theres a reason cassel could be had for a late rounder, from a team that also has a young qb. now that we have tyrod who has stepped ahead of them both, i think it becomes an obvious choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 OK that's fair. Do you see what I'm saying though about a double standard round these parts? Bills fans are quick to mock and make up dopey nicknames for other QB's who have been in the league for a short period of time and haven't had their chance to develop, haven't had weapons at their disposal or exemplary coaching, yet will defend certain Bills QB's who I'm sure other teams' message boards mock just the same. Take Geno Smith and EJ Manuel for example. Just be objective is what I'm asking. But I do understand your point was ion regards to how good they might be right now vs. potential. Yeah, it's shocking that Bills fans are more likely to make fun of a rivals players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevestojan Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Said in another thread - friends have a "closeness" to someone at OBD. Talked him to recently - said Bills all along only wanted to carry 2 qb's + practice squad Yet keep a kickoff specialist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Yet keep a kickoff specialist.I take it you don't see the value in that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Yeah, it's shocking that Bills fans are more likely to make fun of a rivals players. Make fun of is one thing (still trying to push for "Trannyhill") but I'm talking about peoples' actual objective football opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 i will say i think EJ in his handful of games doesnt look substantially worse than cassel in his showings the last several years. theres a reason cassel could be had for a late rounder, from a team that also has a young qb. now that we have tyrod who has stepped ahead of them both, i think it becomes an obvious choice.Fair enough. Cassel I would feel confident could make his reads, get the ball out quickly and accurately and move the chains, giving us a chance. EJ I'd be way more excited to see warming up on the sidelines but just wouldn't know what to actually expect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 OK that's fair. Do you see what I'm saying though about a double standard round these parts? Bills fans are quick to mock and make up dopey nicknames for other QB's who have been in the league for a short period of time and haven't had their chance to develop, haven't had weapons at their disposal or exemplary coaching, yet will defend certain Bills QB's who I'm sure other teams' message boards mock just the same. Take Geno Smith and EJ Manuel for example. Just be objective is what I'm asking. But I do understand your point was ion regards to how good they might be right now vs. potential. I'll take this as your apology, Metz. Apology accepted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Extatic? Look, you guys need to put away your jump to conclusions mats for a second. Cassel was better than Manuel throughout camp according to everyone. Did EJ look great against Pittsburgh? Absolutely. Was that enough to convince the coaches that he can translate that play to the regular season and that Cassel- who only played FOUR SERIES and didn't even look that bad himself- is expendable? I guess we'll see. Care to explain to why Cassel only played FOUR SERIES? Maybe there was a reason for it. Maybe the coaches new exactly what he was. An insurance blanket in case BOTH TT and EJM were horrible in all practices and PS games. Both of the younger guys looked pretty damn good so far in 3 PS games. Matt is not needed, but his $4.5 Million are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumbalaya Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 If EJ has made the progress the we have witnessed and beats out Cassel, it makes no sense to trade him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 (edited) Yet keep a kickoff specialist. People who don't see the value in a guy who can force a touchback almost every time when you have a FG kicker who was money last year (concerns about him so far this preseason) but can't kick it in the endzone vs. keeping a 7th linebacker who only plays special teams are utterly clueless. If said linebacker was responsible for saving 5-10 yards of field position every kickoff, perhaps I would consider keeping them around over Gay. Edited September 1, 2015 by metzelaars_lives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHateMe Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 He's averaging a pathetic 5.5 YPA in preseason and has been totally outplayed by two guys with less than a collective season under their belt. He couldn't even lead a TD drive in preseason with an offense that averaged 26 ppg. 4 organizations have now said "no thanks" regarding his starting QB services. His last 4 seasons he's been one of the worst in the NFL. I don't care how well he gets his check downs out in practice. He stinks and this season would be a dumpster fire if he were the fall back plan. Yes we should all be Ecstatic our bills saw it before wasting a season on him. Agree, Cassel is trash and has been trash the majority of his career. EJ should be the backup this year. It's a great situation for him to continue to develop. He still has that potential to become very good to great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 The one thing that potentially makes Cassel an asset is that you know exactly what you're getting. I just think we have too good a chance to make the playoffs to release the only known commodity at QB. This is where I fall in this argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Care to explain to why Cassel only played FOUR SERIES? Maybe there was a reason for it. Maybe the coaches new exactly what he was. An insurance blanket in case BOTH TT and EJM were horrible in all practices and PS games. Both of the younger guys looked pretty damn good so far in 3 PS games. Matt is not needed, but his $4.5 Million are. I don't disagree with that post at all. Please answer the two things I did question you on though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 How is that BS? He lost out on the job to a guy who has thrown less than 40 career passes. What he said is factually correct. Rexs ego says hi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 I do think EJ is better. But, can anyone honestly say that if EJ came onto the field they would know what kind of play to expect from him? He looks a lot better in preseason, no question. Still some accuracy inconsistencies but a lot better. The one thing that potentially makes Cassel an asset is that you know exactly what you're getting. I just think we have too good a chance to make the playoffs to release the only known commodity at QB. I don't think the Bills went into this thinking they would cut Cassel...Quite the opposite..But the way things played out it makes more sense...Things happen that you can't predict...EJ is clearly getting better and should improve even more under Roman as the season goes on...Simms could be kept on the PS for a little more insurance...It's a good chunk of cap money...If they don't think there is much difference between EJ and Cassel...and especially if they're planning on EJ being the back-up...Cassel needs to go...Let the young guys take this thing and run with it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Listen to Doug Whaley on John Murphy Show. He said the plan was to let EJ sit and learn behind veteran. He sees the development in EJ. I believe this will be EJs team next year. If Taylor is what everybody expects, yet they see EJ improving who's a better trade option? The guy who took a team to the playoffs or a backup? If Taylor is what they think, then he will be the QB. That is why they are starting him. They believe that he will become the guy. If he isn't they will give EJ a chance ot compete for the job next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 so if TWO players bomb out long enough to be benched you think cassel can come in and turn around the season in the remaining games? At this point, your scenario is way too hypothetical for me to respond to. But let me try anyway. Two injuries or one flame-out+ 1 injury could happen real quick. Depending on what point in the season that happens, yes the season may be entirely salvageable. One of the injury may be temporary enough to come back for the playoff run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevestojan Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 I take it you don't see the value in that? I just can't understand that Carpenter can't do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Rexs ego says hi I don't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 I suspect the calculus goes something like this: do we trust EJ enough as a stable, reliable backup performer if Tyrod goes down with injury? If we do, Cassel should be cut to save cash. If we don't, Cassel should be retained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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