26CornerBlitz Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 @AlbertBreer Based on the docs filed the last couple days, a settlement may be the only way Tom Brady DOESN'T play in the season opener. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Hoping this isn't a repeat post (but this thread is too long to fiddle with it)...but Jets fans paid to have this flown over Patriots** practice today: ]Story here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Hoping this isn't a repeat post (but this thread is too long to fiddle with it)...but Jets fans paid to have this flown over Patriots** practice today: ]Story here. We got a lot of laughs out of it yesterday but it's well worth showing again. Thx. That's a classic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pneumonic Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 (edited) In the testing they accounted for all of those things. None of them affected the outcome. Read the report. They know the temp of the room, it's constant. They KNEW which gauge was used, it could not be more clear now. They tested wet and dry balls. And the change. That was a lot of the testing. It's all there. They were measured at different times, within about 5 minutes. And again, even if everything, repeat, everything was totally in the Patriots favor - everything went their way (which is very unlikely to begin with)- the ball in question and at least one other was still below the possibilities. That's why they said it didn't even matter. The NFLPA's petition to vacate is quite explicit on these points and references Wells in doing so. Do you disagree with them? 58. Although each team's footballs were measured by the game day officials prior to the game, the PSI measurements were not recorded, the gauge used to measure (and set) PSI was not recorded, and none of the environmental factors (such as the Temperature in the locker room and on the field) were recorded. NFLPA Ex. 7, Wells Report at 5I-52, 116 59. During the first half of the game, the Colts examined a ball intercepted from the Patriots and made a further complaint to the NFL. In response to the NFL decided to ask the referees to measure the air pressure in both teams' game balls at halftime. NFLPA Ex.7, Wells Report at 63-66. 60. Because of the absence of any protocols or basic understanding of what factors are relevant to football deflation, the data collection was a disaster. None of the following was recorded: the temperature on the field; the temperature in the officials' locker room where the balls were tested; the specific gauge used to conduct the testing (where, as here, multiple gauges were used and each had very different calibrations and yielded different readings); whether the balls were wet or dry (and how wet or dry); the sequence and timing of the halftime measurements (this was the most critical factor, because both teams' balls would warm and gain pressure minute-by-minute after being returned from the cold and wet field to the warm and dry locker room, yet the balls were measured at different times). The Wells Report even states that the PSI measurements of the eleven Patriots balls and four Colts balls that were measured-the only data that was recorded-contained a transcription error. NFLPA Ex. 7, Wells Report at 69 n,41. 61. After the game, officials tested the pressure level of four footballs from each team. Once again however, none of the critical information necessary to determine the meaning of the PSI readings was recorded. 1d. at72-73. 62. The data collection was so deeply flawed that even Wells and the NFL's consultants concluded that it was unreliable: Our scientific consultants informed us that the data alone did not provide a basis for them to determine with absolute certainty whether there was or was not tampering as the analysis of such data is ultimately dependent upon assumptions and information that is uncertain. 2lNFLPA Ex. 7, Wells Report at 12. . I'll ask again: is it reasonable to assume that the behaviors of certain people before and after the game may lead one to assume natural occurrences alone may not explain the differences in air pressure before the game and at halftime? GO BILLS!!! Sure, but only if a non biased (ie objective) science perspective shows it as possible. Otherwise, it's all just subjective biases in play; biases which, at least in this case, appear to be based off assumptions and assertions more than anything. Edited July 31, 2015 by Pneumonic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 (edited) was this posted? The NFL and NFLPA asked the NY Judge to expedite the case before Sept 4. NFL, union push for expedited ruling on Brady Lawyers for the NFL and the NFLPA have requested that the matter of Patriots quarterback Tom Brady's suspension be expedited before the start of the regular season on Sept. 4. Edited July 31, 2015 by BillsFan-4-Ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Yeah, but you're on the right side. Of course I am. If I were on the wrong side, I'd change my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 More like the nits are meant to obscure and distract you from the obvious big picture. That has been the strategy of the Brady defenders, to seize upon one thing and pick it to death and then claim that proves the entire case is flawed. The reality, when viewed as a whole, show a pattern of deceit and obstruction by Tommy boy and his minions. I still contend that there is more being covered up than deflated footballs. Of course you do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 @AlbertBreer Based on the docs filed the last couple days, a settlement may be the only way Tom Brady DOESN'T play in the season opener. @AlbertBreer Per court docs, NFL/NFLPA have agreed to this schedule: By 8/7, sides file motions to vacate/confirm; By 8/14, sides file opposition papers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 The NFLPA's petition to vacate is quite explicit on these points and references Wells in doing so. Do you disagree with them? 58. Although each team's footballs were measured by the game day officials prior to the game, the PSI measurements were not recorded, the gauge used to measure (and set) PSI was not recorded, and none of the environmental factors (such as the Temperature in the locker room and on the field) were recorded. NFLPA Ex. 7, Wells Report at 5I-52, 116 59. During the first half of the game, the Colts examined a ball intercepted from the Patriots and made a further complaint to the NFL. In response to the NFL decided to ask the referees to measure the air pressure in both teams' game balls at halftime. NFLPA Ex.7, Wells Report at 63-66. 60. Because of the absence of any protocols or basic understanding of what factors are relevant to football deflation, the data collection was a disaster. None of the following was recorded: the temperature on the field; the temperature in the officials' locker room where the balls were tested; the specific gauge used to conduct the testing (where, as here, multiple gauges were used and each had very different calibrations and yielded different readings); whether the balls were wet or dry (and how wet or dry); the sequence and timing of the halftime measurements (this was the most critical factor, because both teams' balls would warm and gain pressure minute-by-minute after being returned from the cold and wet field to the warm and dry locker room, yet the balls were measured at different times). The Wells Report even states that the PSI measurements of the eleven Patriots balls and four Colts balls that were measured-the only data that was recorded-contained a transcription error. NFLPA Ex. 7, Wells Report at 69 n,41. 61. After the game, officials tested the pressure level of four footballs from each team. Once again however, none of the critical information necessary to determine the meaning of the PSI readings was recorded. 1d. at72-73. 62. The data collection was so deeply flawed that even Wells and the NFL's consultants concluded that it was unreliable: Our scientific consultants informed us that the data alone did not provide a basis for them to determine with absolute certainty whether there was or was not tampering as the analysis of such data is ultimately dependent upon assumptions and information that is uncertain. 2lNFLPA Ex. 7, Wells Report at 12. Sure, but only if a non biased (ie objective) science perspective, doesn't first account for said possibility. Otherwise, it's all just subjective biases in play; biases which, at least in this case, appear to be based off assumptions and assertions more than anything. Are you sure you read the decision I linked earlier? Because 3 of those are addressed in it and 2 are completely irrelevant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Oh Pats*** Insiders and Florio Know what would be interesting reading? The notes from the first interviews of the Deflategate investigation. http://www.csnne.com/new-england-patriots/whats-nfl-hiding-behind-sealed-deflategate-records?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo the NFL’s VP of Operations Mike Kensil was reportedly telling the Patriots equipment man Dave Schoenfeld the team was in “big f****** trouble,” when the footballs were being measured by various gauges of inconsistent calibration, when and another league operations VP, Dave Gardi, was firing off an email to Patriots owner Robert Kraft littered with inaccuracies and when NFL lead counsel Jeff Pash – who later would conduct the investigation of the Patriots alongside Ted Wells – was rolling up his sleeves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Oh Pats*** Insiders and Florio Know what would be interesting reading? The notes from the first interviews of the Deflategate investigation. http://www.csnne.com/new-england-patriots/whats-nfl-hiding-behind-sealed-deflategate-records?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo the NFL’s VP of Operations Mike Kensil was reportedly telling the Patriots equipment man Dave Schoenfeld the team was in “big f****** trouble,” when the footballs were being measured by various gauges of inconsistent calibration, when and another league operations VP, Dave Gardi, was firing off an email to Patriots owner Robert Kraft littered with inaccuracies and when NFL lead counsel Jeff Pash – who later would conduct the investigation of the Patriots alongside Ted Wells – was rolling up his sleeves. You know what else is not interesting? Journalists who can't properly frame a sentence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 (edited) I fully anticipate squaring off against Brady in week two. To assume otherwise is to set myself up for let down. Edited July 31, 2015 by The Big Cat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 I like how he starts referring to the Patriots as "we" in the column Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted July 31, 2015 Author Share Posted July 31, 2015 @Rachel__Nichols: The #Patriots are releasing a bunch of the email correspondence they had with the #NFL office over #DeflateGate: http://t.co/6UoDEweojM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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May Day 10 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 so 'leaks' told the locker room bozos to deflate footballs and gave them merch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 @Rachel__Nichols: The #Patriots are releasing a bunch of the email correspondence they had with the #NFL office over #DeflateGate: http://t.co/6UoDEweojM Uh-oh... The entire league is going to burn to the ground because of this, isn't it? Who's up for some Arena League action?! Go Rattlers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Uh-oh... The entire league is going to burn to the ground because of this, isn't it? Who's up for some Arena League action?! Go Rattlers! I had season tickets the first year the Destroyers were in Buffalo haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 and ill say again, and leave it at that, if hes so concerned about the Elephant that hes hiding, why wouldnt he just walk away from this before court? while its possible you are right, it hardly follows common sense or reason as a logical jump. I don't think very much of what Brady has done in this matter follows common sense or logic. I still think he's so arrogant he truly believes he doesn't have to admit to anything and the NFL will bow to him because of his stature. Like I said a few pages ago, if he admits to anything the door flies open for the lines of questioning about when it started. Yes, people may presume he's been doing it for years (I certainly do), but without an admission he can easily deflect those questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 (edited) @Rachel__Nichols: The #Patriots are releasing a bunch of the email correspondence they had with the #NFL office over #DeflateGate: http://t.co/6UoDEweojMi recall much frustration from the players during bounty gate based on the nfl refusing to share documents, and trying to keep their sides errors very hush hush. its interesting the pats are going to do this. i suppose the saints organization, with so many coaches and front office on suspension and facing league approval for reinstatement couldnt really speak out but the pats have nothing to lose with the fine/picks being it. ive been saying it for quite some time - but the nfl does some stuff that is just embarassing, and easily avoidable. it may not get brady off, but itll certainly make this more of a show than i think most suspected when they thought brady was bluffing. Edited July 31, 2015 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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