nucci Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 we have a TON of space. if you really got into the structure of our roster and the projections of the cap... cap space is little to no concern currently. any of those guys will be a decision based on value, not limitations of our space. essentially a 3 year 25m deal with nothing guaranteed is what we are picking up. its 7 and 8 for the years following this I don't get why everyone is worried about the cap. There is also a cap floor the Bills have to meet. Anyone think of that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 we have a TON of space. if you really got into the structure of our roster and the projections of the cap... cap space is little to no concern currently. any of those guys will be a decision based on value, not limitations of our space. essentially a 3 year 25m deal with nothing guaranteed is what we are picking up. its 7 and 8 for the years following this Oh, yeah, McCoy would be stupid to pass up the guaranteed money extension, and if he does, no loss for us. Good on Doug for pulling this off if it goes through. I don't get why everyone is worried about the cap. There is also a cap floor the Bills have to meet. Anyone think of that? I'm not overly worried, just to be clear. Just a tad uncomfortable with his $10m hit this year... but others have walked me back from that ledge My concern is that we have some young guys on our team that we want to lock up in the near future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 @BuckyBrooks: Here are 3 reasons why trading for @CutonDime25 will help the @buffalobills get off to a fast start under Rex Ryan: http://t.co/7Y6bZIZ6oo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 I don't get why everyone is worried about the cap. There is also a cap floor the Bills have to meet. Anyone think of that? for some reason a lot of people on here get panicky whenever we get close to the cap. i think because we havent been a team that spends to it (or past it) regularly, a lot of the fans just arent used to the discussions and methods to create space. annually we see the "omg that other team is SCREWED by their cap situation" threads, followed by the "how in the heck did they do it" ones. i dont mean that as a knock on anyone, just a reality that its not something that most are familiar with as a year in and year out consideration and weve heard so many times that "we couldnt sign XXXX cause it would ruin a deal 2-3 years from now" (which often wasnt true, but was an easy way off the hook) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 @ProFootballTalk: Bruce Arians says the Cardinals knew LeSean McCoy was available but didn't think he was the right fit in Arizona http://t.co/wuIJB4a7VV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Oh, yeah, McCoy would be stupid to pass up the guaranteed money extension, and if he does, no loss for us. Good on Doug for pulling this off if it goes through. I'm not overly worried, just to be clear. Just a tad uncomfortable with his $10m hit this year... but others have walked me back from that ledge My concern is that we have some young guys on our team that we want to lock up in the near future. I understand your concern but cap keeps going up and Bills have plenty of space to sign whomever they choose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 I understand your concern but cap keeps going up and Bills have plenty of space to sign whomever they choose. Yup, the guys here have eased my concerns about all that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 @WillBrinson: New @CBSSports podcast with @ryanwilson_07 grading Kiko-Shady trade up: http://t.co/hZLr6xoKx8http://t.co/qYJP0O5pWC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 @ProFootballTalk: Bruce Arians says the Cardinals knew LeSean McCoy was available but didn't think he was the right fit in Arizona http://t.co/wuIJB4a7VV Translation -- we couldn't afford him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddenboy Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 So, McCoy doesnt want to come here: http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2015/03/will_lesean_mccoy_block_a_trade_to_buffalo_bills.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 for some reason a lot of people on here get panicky whenever we get close to the cap. i think because we havent been a team that spends to it (or past it) regularly, a lot of the fans just arent used to the discussions and methods to create space. annually we see the "omg that other team is SCREWED by their cap situation" threads, followed by the "how in the heck did they do it" ones. i dont mean that as a knock on anyone, just a reality that its not something that most are familiar with as a year in and year out consideration and weve heard so many times that "we couldnt sign XXXX cause it would ruin a deal 2-3 years from now" (which often wasnt true, but was an easy way off the hook) I think its also some lingering PTSD from the way the Bills were screwed back when the Salary Cap went into affect back in the 90s. All of a sudden we were in cap hell and had to get rid of all our stars, and it seemed like our FO was completely surprised by it all and had no idea what they were doing. So, McCoy doesnt want to come here: http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2015/03/will_lesean_mccoy_block_a_trade_to_buffalo_bills.html That article is from last night, only contains LeSeans immediate reaction, and has since been smoothed over. He'll be fine and happy. Jim Kelly didnt want to come here either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 I think its also some lingering PTSD from the way the Bills were screwed back when the Salary Cap went into affect back in the 90s. All of a sudden we were in cap hell and had to get rid of all our stars, and it seemed like our FO was completely surprised by it all and had no idea what they were doing. yup - our only experience with being at the cap was 20 years ago and terrible. plenty of teams manage being on the edge very well, but our fans havent had that comfortable trust in how a front office can push the limits without ruining everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 I think its also some lingering PTSD from the way the Bills were screwed back when the Salary Cap went into affect back in the 90s. All of a sudden we were in cap hell and had to get rid of all our stars, and it seemed like our FO was completely surprised by it all and had no idea what they were doing. That article is from last night, only contains LeSeans immediate reaction, and has since been smoothed over. He'll be fine and happy. Jim Kelly didnt want to come here either. How? CBF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 So, McCoy doesnt want to come here: http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2015/03/will_lesean_mccoy_block_a_trade_to_buffalo_bills.html And people think we could sign DeMarco Murray or Adrian Peterson when 31 other teams can as well.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 (edited) Yup, the guys here have eased my concerns about all that! I'm with you on this... eased? Yes. Eliminated? Not quite. Hughes, Cordy, Dareus, Gilmore, etc. won't come cheap. McCoy still needs a line and a threat of a passing game. I'm not a huge fan of tying up too much money in one place (Revis), but we'll cross that cap bridge when we get there. For now I'm going to try to enjoy it and hope for the best. There's certainly a lot to like, but I guess I'm a natural worrier. Edited March 4, 2015 by Augie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 @Grantland33: Sorting Out the LeSean McCoyKiko Alonso Trade, by @billbarnwell http://t.co/U2BYtayNi4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 I'm with you on this... eased? Yes. Eliminated? Not quite. Hughes, Cordy, Dareus, Gilmore, etc. won't come cheap. McCoy still needs a line and a threat of a running game. I'm not a huge fan of tying up too much money in one place (Revis), but we'll cross that cap bridge when we get there. For now I'm going to try to enjoy it and hope for the best. There's certainly a lot to like, but I guess I'm a natural worrier. instead of looking at it as spending cordys money, look at it as replacing byrds raise. we can still add all those guys down the line. the cap jumped 10m this year and has been projected to go up another 15m (or possibly more) next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynBills Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 2009 RBs Knowshon Moreno 1 Donald Brown 1 Chris Wells 1 LeSean McCoy 2 Shonn Greene 3 Glen Coffee 3 Mike Goodson 4 Tony Fiammetta 4 Andre Brown 4 Gartrell Johnson 4 Quinn Johnson 5 Frank Summers 5 Javon Ringer 5 Cedric Peerman 6 Aaron Brown 6 James Davis 6 Bernard Scott 6 Chris Ogbonnaya 7 Javarris Williams 7 Fui Vakapuna 7 Eddie Williams 7 Larod Stephens-Howling 7 Rashad Jennings 7 2010 RBs C.J. Spiller 1 Ryan Mathews 1 Jahvid Best 1 Dexter McCluster 2 Toby Gerhart 2 Ben Tate 2 Montario Hardesty 2 Joe McKnight 4 John Conner 5 Anthony Dixon 6 Deji Karim 6 Jonathan Dwyer 6 James Starks 6 Charles Scott 6 Jameson Konz 7 2011 RBs Mark Ingram 1 Ryan Williams 2 Shane Vereen 2 Mikel Leshoure 2 Daniel Thomas 2 Demarco Murray 3 Stevan Ridley 3 Alexander Green 3 Roy Helu 4 Kendall Hunter 4 Delone Carter 4 Owen Marecic 4 Taiwan Jones 4 Bilal Powell 4 Jamie Harper 4 Johnny White 5 Anthony Sherman 5 Jacquizz Rodgers 5 Dion Lewis 5 Charles Clay 6 Evan Royster 6 Jordan Todman 6 Allen Bradford 6 Shaun Chapas 7 Da'Rel Scott 7 Shane Bannon 7 Anthony Allen 7 Baron Batch 7 Stanley Havili 7 Jay Finley 7 2012 RBs Trent Richardson 1 Doug Martin 1 David Wilson 1 Isaiah Pead 2 LaMichael James 2 Ronnie Hillman 3 Bernard Pierce 3 Lamar Miller 4 Robert Turbin 4 Rhett Ellison 4 Bradie Ewing 5 Chris Rainey 5 Vick Ballard 5 Alfred Morris 6 Cyrus Gray 6 Dan Herron 6 Terrance Ganaway 6 Michael Smith 7 Bryce Brown 7 Drake Dunsmore 7 Edwin Baker 7 Daryl Richardson 7 2013 RBs Giovani Bernard 2 Le'veon Bell 2 Montee Ball 2 Eddie Lacy 2 Christine Michael 2 Knile Davis 3 Johnathan Franklin 4 Kyle Juszczyk 4 Marcus Lattimore 4 Stepfan Taylor 5 Joseph Randle 5 Chris Thompson 5 Zachary Stacy 5 Mike Gillislee 5 Latavius Murray 6 Kenjon Barner 6 Andre Ellington 6 Mike James 6 Rex Burkhead 6 Spencer Ware 6 Braden Wilson 6 Tommy Bohanon 7 Jawan Jamison 7 Kerwynn Williams 7 Michael Cox 7 That's a lot of RBs who aren't very good. Especially 2nd and 3rd rounders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 How? CBF Well, first and foremost, he's had time to calm down and think about it. I guarantee he's not feeling as bad about it today as he was last night. And he wont feel as bad about it tomorrow as he does today. Look, people in general hate change. No player likes surprise trades. Its unsettling and brings in all sorts of levels on uncertainty. The initial reaction is always sour. All these articles talking about McCoy not liking the trade are all about his initial reaction from within an hour of getting the news, and contain NO direct quotes from him. He'll settle down once he has a chance to talk to his long-time friend Doug Whaley. And especially once we talk extending that contract with more guaranteed money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 How? CBF http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000476331/article/bills-to-take-very-good-care-of-lesean-mccoy Cash Money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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