Maddog69 Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Vic Carucci says that McCown is "just visiting and no signing is imminent" Joe Buscaglia tweeted that "if" the Bills signed McCown, no other major addition at QB should be expected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Vic Carucci says that McCown is "just visiting and no signing is imminent" Joe Buscaglia tweeted that "if" the Bills signed McCown, no other major addition at QB should be expected. joe b doesn't know any more than you or I do about their plans at QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Now that this is picking up steam, it might be time to correct the thread title. Nahhhh. Why spit in the face of a longstanding tradition of mangling player names? Next thing you know, you'll be asking to correct all the Tavares Jackson posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxxer Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Report: Bills hope to sign Josh McCown on Monday AP Last Thursday on PFT Live, former Buccaneers quarterback Josh McCown opted not to name the teams that had approached him about possibly joining them in the wake of his sudden availability. But the short list of potential destinations for a shot at starting were obvious: Buffalo, Cleveland, and the Jets. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/02/16/report-bills-hope-to-sign-josh-mccown-on-monday/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Vick was never great. He has had only 2 years out of 12 where his completion stats were better than those that EJ Manuel has so far managed, McCown has had 3 in 11 years (one only based on 2 starts mind you). Vick has had 5 years out of 12 with a better Quarterback Rating than EJ has so far managed (and one of those was in a season of 1 start so can pretty much be discounted) McCown just 1. What made Vick without doubt more productive that McCown was his ability to run and that ability is nowhere near what once it was. I personally don't think either of those two is the answer. I suspect EJ would have a fine chance of beating out either of them in camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Guys, I'm not saying Vick is good either! Vick sucks too but he has been and always will be a better QB than Josh McCown. You think 1 bad year in NY and now Vick is worse than Josh McCown when he has been better than him for 12 years in a row? McCown was bad last year too, what's your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronc24 Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Is McCown an upgrade to what we have on our roster? I'd say yes. I'm not doing cartwheels over this, but whoever starts for us is not going to be asked to shoulder the load. I would say he is as good as Orton, at least, and with a competent OC who is not in way over his head perhaps we get those wins vs. KC, Hou and Oak. I want EJ to win this competition. But it is obvious he hasn't taken that next step. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Oh god no. no no no no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Oh god no. no no no no. lol. I posted a link to the thread from last year at this exact time where it was reported that the Jets were interested in looking at Josh Mccown. You posted "I wish the Bills would look at some insurance" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 I like the McCown move but only because of timing. It's much easier to bring him on board now, a month before FA starts, then further address the position in open FA and potentially the draft. Basically sign McCown now and tell him he's got a real chance to compete for the job. Then he's under contract and we can talk to the Mallet/Hoyer/Moore/Sanchez/Locker class of FA and tell them they've got a real chance to compete too. That leaves us with 3 guys to hope for competence to emerge. On the flip side, if we just hit FA with EJ it will likely be very difficult to simultaniously negoiate with two FA QBs and we risk not getting any of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxxer Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Seriously, are we discussing Michael Vick as a potential starter for us? Did people miss the level of unpreparedness he showed with the Jets when he had to start for them? The guy is not a good QB, he doesn't see the field and can't read defenses. He looked like he didn't care last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Seriously, are we discussing Michael Vick as a potential starter for us? Did people miss the level of unpreparedness he showed with the Jets when he had to start for them? The guy is not a good QB, he doesn't see the field and can't read defenses. He looked like he didn't care last year. no who said that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrod's Tailor Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 take a qb every single year in the draft until you find a good one. as for this year? run the ball 40 times a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 If McCowan is brought in, would they want to make him a back-up or the starter!? This guy is Orton Part II. We need a better plan. As long as we keep picking up middling teams' middling QBs out of the trash bin, we will never go anywhere. Christ, I'd rather start EJ. At least with him, we don't know for sure if he properly belongs in the trash bin or not. McCowan is already in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 I like the McCown move but only because of timing. It's much easier to bring him on board now, a month before FA starts, then further address the position in open FA and potentially the draft. Basically sign McCown now and tell him he's got a real chance to compete for the job. Then he's under contract and we can talk to the Mallet/Hoyer/Moore/Sanchez/Locker class of FA and tell them they've got a real chance to compete too. That leaves us with 3 guys to hope for competence to emerge. On the flip side, if we just hit FA with EJ it will likely be very difficult to simultaniously negoiate with two FA QBs and we risk not getting any of them. This is the only scenario that a McCown signing can be stomached. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 I like the McCown move but only because of timing. It's much easier to bring him on board now, a month before FA starts, then further address the position in open FA and potentially the draft. Basically sign McCown now and tell him he's got a real chance to compete for the job. Then he's under contract and we can talk to the Mallet/Hoyer/Moore/Sanchez/Locker class of FA and tell them they've got a real chance to compete too. That leaves us with 3 guys to hope for competence to emerge. On the flip side, if we just hit FA with EJ it will likely be very difficult to simultaniously negoiate with two FA QBs and we risk not getting any of them. That is my take too. It takes a bit of pressure off those first few days of free agency and lessens the chance they end up way overpaying for a Hoyer or Sanchez or Mallet or Locker type in my opinion. Like everyone else though if we open 2015 with McCown under centre I will feel underwhelmed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrod's Tailor Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Seriously, are we discussing Michael Vick as a potential starter for us? Did people miss the level of unpreparedness he showed with the Jets when he had to start for them? The guy is not a good QB, he doesn't see the field and can't read defenses. He looked like he didn't care last year. He probably doesn't care. His dogfighting crimes also left him hugely in debt and he's been working to pay that money off. He's clearly sticking around just for a paycheck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Guys, I'm not saying Vick is good either! Vick sucks too but he has been and always will be a better QB than Josh McCown. You think 1 bad year in NY and now Vick is worse than Josh McCown when he has been better than him for 12 years in a row? McCown was bad last year too, what's your point? My point is that what has made Vick better than McCown for their careers is his legs. They are not what once they were. Left to compete arm vs arm as a passer I think McCown has proven himself more accurate as a rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 @ChrisTrapasso: Another interesting McCown stat note. While under pressure in '14 his comp % was 45.8%. Slightly better than Rodgers Brady Newt Staff Flacco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 If McCowan is brought in, would they want to make him a back-up or the starter!? This guy is Orton Part II. We need a better plan. As long as we keep picking up middling teams' middling QBs out of the trash bin, we will never go anywhere. Christ, I'd rather start EJ. At least with him, we don't know for sure if he properly belongs in the trash bin or not. McCowan is already in it. The issue is that this is the type of guy that is on the market this year. There are very few FA options and the draft is really weak at that position as well. McCown will compete with EJ and whoever else they try to bring in. If McCown plays like he did in Chicago in 2013 we are good for a few years. If he plays like he did in Tampa last year, he won't win the job. I'm cool with this move if it is to happen but he is by no means my top choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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