The Dean Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Pegulas got their first choice. They threw some money around, which we thought they would. They wanted to make a splash and we are instantly relevant again. Obviously the idea that Whaley was pushing or shoving EJ on candidates didn't scare off the top coaching candidate in the league. There is a lot to like about this hire and a lot to wonder if not worry about. But there is not a sure fire hire out there, and never is. As I said in my text to you, this has Pegula written all over it. I can't even fathom it was Whaley's top pick. I hope I'm wrong, but I feel like this is Black Sunday. A proven failure HC, who is a blowhard to boot. Worst HC in the NFL last year---hands down. Of course I'm worried about what it will do to the D, but I'll fell better if Schwartz stays. A move to the 3-4 would be ridiculous at this stage. If Trestman comes (not my first choice, but OK) and brings Cutler, I'll explode. A crappy loudmouth HC and a QB who couldn't lead a girl scout troop. Beautiful! I really hope I'm wrong, but I have a very bad feeling about the Bills immediate future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Kubiak can't coach? He went to the playoffs two years in a row and won twice with Schaub as his QB! Rex won four times and to AFC Championship with Mark Sanchez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrod's Tailor Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 As I said in my text to you, this has Pegula written all over it. I can't even fathom it was Whaley's top pick. I hope I'm wrong, but I feel like this is Black Sunday. A proven failure HC, who is a blowhard to boot. Worst HC in the NFL last year---hands down. Of course I'm worried about what it will do to the D, but I'll fell better if Schwartz stays. A move to the 3-4 would be ridiculous at this stage. If Trestman comes (not my first choice, but OK) and brings Cutler, I'll explode. A crappy loudmouth HC and a QB who couldn't lead a girl scout troop. Beautiful! I really hope I'm wrong, but I have a very bad feeling about the Bills immediate future. I really think the GM job that John Idzik did last season might have been the single worst in NFL history. 12 terrible draft picks, huge amounts of unspent $ under the cap, and a completely depleted roster. That team played hard for Rex until the very end (delightfully costing the Jets a top draft pick in the process). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Some of you people amaze me. You want an experienced HC, well we got one. Ryan had success until his dopey GM depleted the team. If he brings in Roman, or Kubiak, or Trestmann then we are light years years beyond Marrone and his kids from Syracuse. Two things that are blown out of proportion: 1. Offensive minded vs. Defensive minded. Every head coach starts somewhere. Do you think Bellichek is a defensive coach still? 2. Developed a QB - very few star qbs are developed by one coach. This idea is a myth. Getting an elite QB is more luck than any coach will admit. Look at the 11 other candidates we interviewed. Take away Shanahan Sr and you have no other NFL HC experience except Swartz. Swartz can hopefully stay and run his D. If not defensive talent is the least of our problems. I think Ryan deserves a chance. His work with the jets was overall pretty good. Also, kudos to the Pegula's for getting out there. 12 interviews!!!!! Contrast to Ralph and his coaching/ GM searches. We should be happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Jerky Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 (edited) Hopefully Rex will be the Man.......but I am finding it difficult to get past my feelings that a top Offensive minded HC could have given us a chance at the SB within 3 years. Go Bills! No top offensive HC is unemployed... So you would have never of gotten one. Edited January 11, 2015 by Beef Jerky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flmike Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Great hire for the following reasons -Has had great success against NE and Brady -Players love playing for him (can attract free agents) -Shows front office is not the same with hiring a brand name coach/enough with the no name BS coaches they have hired in the past. -4 and 2 in the playoffs including beating NE in NE (other then the tainted win this year when have we even won in NE against Brady) -Made the playoffs with average QB -Will have a great defense with or without our currect DC -Great leader -Shows national media that big names will come to Buffalo Have to balance this with - Coached only team the Bills handled easily twice this year - Teams regressed in years after he took over - Possible defensive conflicts if we keep Schwartz - Big personalities usually create big problems Willing to wait and see, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DisplacedBillsFan Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Wait... Are you from the FUTURE??? Yea. A future where Rex does really good again for two years after inheriting a stacked team (defensively at least), and then finishes out the last three years of his contract with losing records. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattM Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Could be this offseason. That would be a waste of FA money better spent elsewhere where we have real holes. For ex, if Roman can bring Iupati, I'm all for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrod's Tailor Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 That would be a waste of FA money better spent elsewhere where we have real holes. For ex, if Roman can bring Iupati, I'm all for it. I don't necessarily disagree, was just answering the question. Iupati would make a lot of sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattM Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Have to balance this with - Coached only team the Bills handled easily twice this year - Teams regressed in years after he took over - Possible defensive conflicts if we keep Schwartz - Big personalities usually create big problems Willing to wait and see, though. You honestly don't think Idzik's idjit GM job had nothing to do with that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Greg Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 As I said in my text to you, this has Pegula written all over it. I can't even fathom it was Whaley's top pick. I hope I'm wrong, but I feel like this is Black Sunday. A proven failure HC, who is a blowhard to boot. Worst HC in the NFL last year---hands down. Of course I'm worried about what it will do to the D, but I'll fell better if Schwartz stays. A move to the 3-4 would be ridiculous at this stage. If Trestman comes (not my first choice, but OK) and brings Cutler, I'll explode. A crappy loudmouth HC and a QB who couldn't lead a girl scout troop. Beautiful! I really hope I'm wrong, but I have a very bad feeling about the Bills immediate future. I was worried sick that the move from the 3-4 under Pettine to a 4-3 (nightmares of wanny) would be a disaster. What i learned is that our D is really good because of the players on it, and NFL coaches often know a hell of a lot more than i do. I'll sit back and watch the show next September. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 I really think the GM job that John Idzik did last season might have been the single worst in NFL history. 12 terrible draft picks, huge amounts of unspent $ under the cap, and a completely depleted roster. That team played hard for Rex until the very end (delightfully costing the Jets a top draft pick in the process). With the exception of a couple games at the end of the year, the Jet's laid down like DOGS this year. Yes, the GM sucked, but so did Rex. Nobody ever makes excuses for Bill coaches the way I hear people make excuses for Rex. The had WAY more talent than their record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drifter Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 No one knows if this hire will work, but for the first time the Bills targeted a top name coach and landed him. That fact alone should make us all happy. The days of settling and hoping for the best are over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrod's Tailor Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Yea. A future where Rex does really good again for two years after inheriting a stacked team (defensively at least), and then finishes out the last three years of his contract with losing records. We haven't "done really good for two years" in about 17 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Rex won four times and to AFC Championship with Mark Sanchez. A lifetime ago. Look, I like Rex, he seems like a good guy. MAybe it will work out better than he did with the Jests over the past few years. But if you are going to jump in and hire a guy early, you do it because you think he's far and away the best guy out there and you think you might lose him. No one else was making a move yet. I agreew ith Dean: it's hard to imagine this was Whaley's choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted William's frozen head Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 So when do we sign Sanchez?Don't be surprised..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Have to balance this with - Coached only team the Bills handled easily twice this year - Teams regressed in years after he took over - Possible defensive conflicts if we keep Schwartz - Big personalities usually create big problems Willing to wait and see, though. His defense requires cornerbacks. His GM refused to get him any. He was not given final say over his QBs on gameday. Rex was set up to fail, now he gets a chance to coach with full support from his organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bladiebla Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Better promote Schwartz to assistant HC and pray that those two will gell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Well, I'm still hoping the Pegula's make a Bill Polian like hire to run the football side, and he fixes the offensive scouting dept. The only way this will all work out is if the Bills offensive scouts remove their heads from their backsides over the O line acquisitions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 I am very confident that at least one thing will be true with this hire: it will make all the Marrone supporters forget about that waste of space very, very quickly. Regardless of Ryan's real or perceived weaknesses, and regardless of whether or not he was the right man for the job, he is an upgrade and improvement over Doug Marrone. Bank on that one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seq004 Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Where's Niagara dude so I can hug him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 We haven't "done really good for two years" in about 17 years. LOL! Great post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DisplacedBillsFan Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 His defense requires cornerbacks. His GM refused to get him any. He was not given final say over his QBs on gameday. Rex was set up to fail, now he gets a chance to coach with full support from his organization. You know what good coaches do if their defense requires CBs and they don't have any? They scheme a different defense that plays to the strengths of the players they do have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattM Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 With the exception of a couple games at the end of the year, the Jet's laid down like DOGS this year. Yes, the GM sucked, but so did Rex. Nobody ever makes excuses for Bill coaches the way I hear people make excuses for Rex. The had WAY more talent than their record. I disagree with the last part. Apart from Chris Ivory, Richardson, Wilkerson, an aging Mangold and maybe David Harris, I can't think of anyone else there who would be noticeably better than the Bills player they'd replace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Oh my fault. Yea, it's not important to relate to the fan base in any way. Fans mostly loved Ryan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DisplacedBillsFan Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 We haven't "done really good for two years" in about 17 years. The point is that any half competent coach could win with this team for the next two years. I would have liked a hire who could win consistently for the next 20. Fans mostly loved Ryan Yea. Douchey Jets fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 A lifetime ago. Look, I like Rex, he seems like a good guy. MAybe it will work out better than he did with the Jests over the past few years. But if you are going to jump in and hire a guy early, you do it because you think he's far and away the best guy out there and you think you might lose him. No one else was making a move yet. I agreew ith Dean: it's hard to imagine this was Whaley's choice. A lifetime ago? That was 2009-2010. Kubiak was 2010-2011. Why would it not be a Whaley choice? He was the top candidate. It's a huge coup for Whaley and the Pegulas. They did jump in and he was the top guy out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 A down-to-earth, we're in this together, the group is more important than the individual, I bust my *ss everyday just to scrape by and survive type of guy. Or, is that not the mentality you see everyday from folks in Buffalo? ... Yea, Rex doesn't have this. All he cares about is himself and running off his mouth to get attention...for himself. What are you talking about ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrod's Tailor Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 I am very confident that at least one thing will be true with this hire: it will make all the Marrone supporters forget about that waste of space very, very quickly. Regardless of Ryan's real or perceived weaknesses, and regardless of whether or not he was the right man for the job, he is an upgrade and improvement over Doug Marrone. Bank on that one! Amen! St. Doug did us a big favor with his stupid temper tantrum. Now if he gets passed over for all HC openings, that will be really sweet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basskik11 Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Wow! Woke up this morning and heard the news. Completely shocked the hell out of me. Like it or hate it, finally not an unispiring hiring. The more I think about this, the more I love it. Especially if Buffalo is able to retain Schwartz and bring on Trestman or Roman. I love my Bills! Better promote Schwartz to assistant HC and pray that those two will gell. agreed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 The point is that any half competent coach could win with this team for the next two years. I would have liked a hire who could win consistently for the next 20. Yea. Douchey Jets fans. Go away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 solid, safe, proven. a great hire. haven't we had our full of up and coming coordinators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flmike Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 You honestly don't think Idzik's idjit GM job had nothing to do with that? Something, I'm sure, but no self-respecting coach allows the horror shows we saw those two Sundays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Greg Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 The point is that any half competent coach could win with this team for the next two years. I would have liked a hire who could win consistently for the next 20. Yea. Douchey Jets fans. For a team that hasn't been to the playoffs in 15 years, you make it sound awfully assumed that we're in the playoffs no matter what for the next two years. Can i have some of what you're smoking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattM Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Something, I'm sure, but no self-respecting coach allows the horror shows we saw those two Sundays. One was a Monday night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DisplacedBillsFan Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Go away. Because I'm expressing an opinion about disliking the HC hire? Yea, that seems reasonable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Kubiak still doing well. Who else had Rex at the top? It's not a coup if you hire an unemployed coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Because I'm expressing an opinion about disliking the HC hire? Yea, that seems reasonable. You've expressed it. But now you're just crusading. You're on record, now go away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 I can't tell you how much I love this hire. Also, are people aware that despite having no credible cornerbacks, the Jets finished 6th in defense this season (yardage)? They gave up a lot of points, but their offensive ineptitude had something to do with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Because I'm expressing an opinion about disliking the HC hire? Yea, that seems reasonable. No, you're not making reasonable arguments and you're being an ass about it if people disagree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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