Codyny13 Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 I've been pretty impressed by tight end Marquis Gray. In our search for a game breaking tight end, do you guys think it's possible we found something in Gray? He seems to have the hands and descent speed. He played well in his short time and limited knowledge of the offense. The Giants found a revelation in Donnel. Did we get lucky here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 He has another year on his deal too. I like him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 He's a decent second or third TE, H Back, FB type. Don't think he's big enough to be a really good TE. But he's a nice little cog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 (edited) I like him, too. He fills two positional needs, FB and TE. He is kind of what Dorin Dickerson was supposed to be (who I didn't think was all that bad either, but we never got to see much of him, and I think they tried converting him to a WR under Marrone). Might make Gragg expendable too. Edited December 29, 2014 by Big C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sojourner Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 There's actually a reasonable pot of TE's who are UFA's this upcoming offseason... Julius Thomas, Rob Housler, Charles Clay, Lance Kendricks and Jermaine Gresham. Maybe we finally address the position and save a draft pick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
....lybob Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 A question for the All 22 guys and the advanced metric guys - How does Chandler rate as a blocker? when I focus on him he seems terrible but I don't watch him every play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 1) The Giants' Larry Donnell is a FA. So is Danny Fells. If you like them, maybe we can get them. 2) Moeki is a free agent. Fendi Onobun is, too. Lee Smith, also. 3) Charles Clay, Owen Daniels, Jordan Cameron, Matt Spaeth, among others are available. I don't see them being an option because of their cost and look to add someone in the 3rd or 4th who will be a better addition to this team by cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
run dat back Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 Must upgrade from Chandler. I don't care how you do it but it's a passing league and a top TE is an essential weapon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 Must upgrade from Chandler. I don't care how you do it but it's a passing league and a top TE is an essential weapon. upgrade with Chandler. Chandler is still a big target and good in the red zone. Find someone to pair with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 Clay would be a nice addition to this offense. I would love Thomas or Cameron, but Clay seems a reasonable shot. Not to mention getting him away from the Dolphins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No QB - No Bueno Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 The tight end discussion starts and ends with a competent qb. Having Gronk or Graham on this team is like a straight guy having an erection in a monastery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 upgrade with Chandler. Chandler is still a big target and good in the red zone. Find someone to pair with him. I've heard this said for the past few years. He's just not good enough. He's not a quality #1 pass catching TE and he's not a good enough blocker to be a #2 TE. Given our horrible OL, we may be stuck using him yet another year as we have too many holes to plug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 I've heard this said for the past few years. He's just not good enough. He's not a quality #1 pass catching TE and he's not a good enough blocker to be a #2 TE. Given our horrible OL, we may be stuck using him yet another year as we have too many holes to plug. Clearly you do not know enough about the rest of the NFL. He is around average to slightly below average for the NFL as a #1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 Clearly you do not know enough about the rest of the NFL. He is around average to slightly below average for the NFL as a #1. Clearly we have different goals for the TE position on this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 Clearly we have different goals for the TE position on this team. i don't think we do. i wouldn't have minded ebron on this team. lets say we get someone like him or that kid who went to cincinatti we all liked. none of them really do well at the physical game in the end zone. chandler in the end zone is not a bad option. he is a pretty smart player. if we got jimmy graham or gronkowski on this plan having chandler as a backup/2nd te to pair with him would be a good mismatch. an upgrade at TE puts Chandler at a bigger mismatch against the D. Better Chandler level then Lee Smith level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 I like Chandler. I hope the Big Dummy sticks around and we find his complement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM57 Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Sign me up for Charles Clay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 i don't think we do. i wouldn't have minded ebron on this team. lets say we get someone like him or that kid who went to cincinatti we all liked. none of them really do well at the physical game in the end zone. chandler in the end zone is not a bad option. he is a pretty smart player. if we got jimmy graham or gronkowski on this plan having chandler as a backup/2nd te to pair with him would be a good mismatch. an upgrade at TE puts Chandler at a bigger mismatch against the D. Better Chandler level then Lee Smith level. Well Lee Smith.... If Chandler was a better blocker I would agree 100% Right now I'd be all in on 2 guards and a QB ahead of worrying about Chandler. And not for nothing, center may be an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Jerky Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 http://dawgpounddaily.com/2015/01/26/report-jordan-cameron-turns-6-7-million-browns/ Jordan Cameron turns down 6-7 million a year from the Browns... No one wants to be there heh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Chandler is a solid TE... Gragg wasn't really given the chance to shine... Gray might be something, who knows. Bring an established guy in, and let it shake out during the off season with a competent (hopefully) offensive staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Jerky Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Chandler is a solid TE... Gragg wasn't really given the chance to shine... Gray might be something, who knows. Bring an established guy in, and let it shake out during the off season with a competent (hopefully) offensive staff. Chandler isn't that good... A reason why no one signed him last year and he came crawling back to the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 i don't think we do. i wouldn't have minded ebron on this team. lets say we get someone like him or that kid who went to cincinatti we all liked. none of them really do well at the physical game in the end zone. chandler in the end zone is not a bad option. he is a pretty smart player. if we got jimmy graham or gronkowski on this plan having chandler as a backup/2nd te to pair with him would be a good mismatch. an upgrade at TE puts Chandler at a bigger mismatch against the D. Better Chandler level then Lee Smith level. Chandler basically always gets open over the middle, and from what I can tell blocks decently... yet it's because he appears slow-ish, everyone here thinks he's crap. Chandler isn't that good... A reason why no one signed him last year and he came crawling back to the Bills. I didn't say he was good. I said he's solid. As in he's about average... he constantly gets open, is a mismatch problem, a good redzone target, and is an ok blocker. You don't replace someone like that, you complement. You replace Lee Smith, Gragg, or Gray. You keep productive players, and you add on top of that. This place drives me crazy, no one values depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 I've been harping on improving the TE the last few offseasons. To me this is the one to do it. The guy I'd go after is Jordan Cameron of the Browns. The guy was hurt last year but he's still as good as they come. For those that don't believe me read this: http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-browns/post/_/id/11206/assessing-jordan-cameron-as-he-heads-to-free-agency Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 A TE with concussion problems? Seems risky to me... TEs take a lot of damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxxer Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 http://dawgpounddaily.com/2015/01/26/report-jordan-cameron-turns-6-7-million-browns/ Jordan Cameron turns down 6-7 million a year from the Browns... No one wants to be there heh. Seriously? big mistake by him, with his concussion problems I don't see many teams giving him that kind of money. Question to the college football buffs or Notre Dame fans, what round is Ben Koyack projected to go? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Why is everyone down on Chandler? I kinda like the Big Dummy. We may need someone to compliment him but he makes some big plays from time to time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Why is everyone down on Chandler? I kinda like the Big Dummy. We may need someone to compliment him but he makes some big plays from time to time. Chandler had a better season in 2014 than in 2013. His biggest weakness is his blocking of which was improved last year according to scouting services. He is good in the middle, but is slow on the perimeter and one wonders why he was used on those plays. He would be a good number 2. The Bills TEs including Grey and a FA? good be real weapons with Roman as OC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Jerky Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Why is everyone down on Chandler? I kinda like the Big Dummy. We may need someone to compliment him but he makes some big plays from time to time. Imagine a good TE getting those catches... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 http://dawgpounddaily.com/2015/01/26/report-jordan-cameron-turns-6-7-million-browns/ Jordan Cameron turns down 6-7 million a year from the Browns... No one wants to be there heh. thats ok they still have Gary Barnidge. Or did Nigel kill him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 The tight end discussion starts and ends with a competent qb. Having Gronk or Graham on this team is like a straight guy having an erection in a monastery. Doesn't it all on offense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent 91 Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Clearly you do not know enough about the rest of the NFL. He is around average to slightly below average for the NFL as a #1. Thats exactly why he wants to upgrade. Average to below average should NEVER be untouchable on a good fb club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 A TE with concussion problems? Seems risky to me... TEs take a lot of damage. A TE with concussion problems? Seems risky to me... TEs take a lot of damage. three concussions in three seasons is a risk but sometimes to improve your team you have to take risks and to me risking on superior talent is always worth it. Would I give him Jimmy Graham/Gronk money? No but I think he is as good as Dennis Pitta who got a big contract from the Ravens last year and got injured. We could also play it safer and go Julius Thomas or Jermaine Gresham. As think they'd all improve the team (as I see Gresham a better #2 than Lee Smith). I also like Charles Clay but he's more of an H-back than a true TE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 three concussions in three seasons is a risk but sometimes to improve your team you have to take risks and to me risking on superior talent is always worth it. Would I give him Jimmy Graham/Gronk money? No but I think he is as good as Dennis Pitta who got a big contract from the Ravens last year and got injured. We could also play it safer and go Julius Thomas or Jermaine Gresham. As think they'd all improve the team (as I see Gresham a better #2 than Lee Smith). I also like Charles Clay but he's more of an H-back than a true TE. Agreed. I like Clay a lot, and Roman seems to like to employ an H Back. Keep Chandler, sign Clay and keep Gray. Then when we want a Lee Smith type on short yardage, use the back-up OT for the game there. I would be all for Jordan Cameron though, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Clive Walford, TE, Miami 2nd round pick. Would pair well with Chandler and gives us a two tight end set that is actually a threat (as opposed to Chandler and Lee). Gray seemed like he can play a H back / FB role Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llyolf Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Dustin keller anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Agreed. I like Clay a lot, and Roman seems to like to employ an H Back. Keep Chandler, sign Clay and keep Gray. Then when we want a Lee Smith type on short yardage, use the back-up OT for the game there. I would be all for Jordan Cameron though, too. Lee's an UFA. I'd prefer we just let him walk away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 This is a pretty good TE draft IMO. There will be one of Wolford, O'leary, Williams, Heurman, Funchess (hybrid WR/TE) available in the 3rd. Jmo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 This is a pretty good TE draft IMO. There will be one of Wolford, O'leary, Williams, Heurman, Funchess (hybrid WR/TE) available in the 3rd. Jmo. Asking a 3rd round rookie TE to be an impact player is asking a lot. I like Williams' upside but he might not be NFL ready til 2017. If we're playing for the playoffs in 2015 I say add a veteran TE that I've already mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Chandler is fine as a #2, Gray as a #3 H-back type but a #1 TE is still a glaring need. It has been that way forever but I get the impression that will change this offseason. The Bills were high on Ebron last year and if they couldn't trade up he was the pick. In addition, they brought in a bunch of the top guys last year. I would expect RB and a big pass catcher (probably TE) to be the Bills 1st 2 draft picks. They will address the OL and QB with veterans IMO. They already have their young developmental prospects there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momma Pecoraro Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 The tight end position is irrelevent on this team until a profession qb is found. Does anyone think that even Gronk would do shiite on this team with the dreck wheeled out at qb? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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