row_33 Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 How about the fact that he granted ethics waivers to 17 former lobbyists who are now newly minted White House staffers, including Michael Catanzaro who as recently as January was registered as a lobbyist for Devon energy (oil and gas company) and Talen Energy (coal utility)? *Edit: Misspelled name That's a good thing Trump did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 (edited) Why in the hell should we take this/you seriously? Your arguments all last page prove that it doesn't merit discussion. I would have just issued a 1 sentence statement "We are pulling out of the Paris agreement". I'm not the problem with the country: clowns like you that insist on wasting everybody's time on things that do not matter, largely so you can haul out your constitutional knowledge, and bore people like me, who know it as well if not better than you, are the problem. Elites. Ring a bell? You are clearly an elitist, and you can talk about who the problem is all you want. I'd rather win elections by getting empirical results = winning. Today is Trump winning, again. You can ignore me all you like. But, I remind you and everybody else, November is coming. 2018. Get ready for a real lesson in the Constitution, then, or possibly before, when the States call their Convention. This is functionally retarded. You're advocating for a what you hope will be a perpetual benevolent dictatorship led by those you agree with. That's moronic. Edited June 1, 2017 by TakeYouToTasker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCinBuffalo Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 Is this 'convention' going to be as entertaining as the liberal fantasy that the Electoral College was going to revolt against Trump? Is Russia going to somehow 'hack' the convention, if the left doesn't get what it wants? See normally this is where DC_Tom steps in and shares his vast knowledge... ...but I'm not him, and I don't care if you know what a Convention of States is. I will say, it's probably worth 5 minutes on google, especially since it's getting close to actually happening. This is functionally retarded. You're advocating for a what you hope will be a perpetual benevolent dictatorship led by those you agree with. That's moronic. No, I'm asking you as a management consultant: 1. You have a client who had a dictatorial clown proceed to F up 50+ business processes. 2. He's gone, and the new guy has to un-F everything. What's your advice/methodology? Six Sigma, or, do we just quickly and efficiently undo everything? What's best for the client? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 Good thing WE WERE NEVER A PARTY TO IT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastaJoe Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 You are an absolute idiot. Any reason that you use China as example for US? The country that leads the world in pollution and whose coal use is skyrocketing and won't have to abide by any terms until 2020 and then will probably skirt them anyway? Really, that's the image you're using? The US is second in pollution, and Trump (and you apearantly) want to lower our standards to those of China. So that's what you have to look forward to if we do. I figured simplifying it with pictures like Trump's daily briefings would make it easier for you to understand. Appearantly not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 That's moronic. He goes with his strengths. Trump (and you apearantly) want to lower our standards to those of China. Source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 See normally this is where DC_Tom steps in and shares his vast knowledge... ...but I'm not him, and I don't care if you know what a Convention of States is. I will say, it's probably worth 5 minutes on google, especially since it's getting close to actually happening. Yeah... considering that 32 of the 50 state legislatures are controlled by the GOP, what, exactly, do you think is going to happen if this fantasy of yours actually comes to pass? Whatever little fantasy scenario you are concocting isn't going to happen. 'Covfefe' has a better chance of becoming an actual word than an Article V convention giving you what you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCinBuffalo Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 How about the fact that he granted ethics waivers to 17 former lobbyists who are now newly minted White House staffers, including Michael Catanzaro who as recently as January was registered as a lobbyist for Devon energy (oil and gas company) and Talen Energy (coal utility)? *Edit: Misspelled name Ah, so when he disses your lobbyists its a problem. When he ignores Germany's lobbyists its a problem, and "Trump doesn't know what he's doing". But, when he listens to people who represent our companies and our workers, who have facts like: 1. we've reduced our emissions on our own, more than anybody else, without any grand, socialist wealth transfer scheme, and, 2. China is now the largest polluter, but this agreement lets them pollute even more That's listening to lobbyists? Buddy, you are defending a lame-ass political vehicle for world socialism, and always have been. This(by that I mean the policy) never had anything to do with anything other than taking our $. It's a scam, based on highly questionable hypotheses. Not theory. Unproven, and in some cases, disproven hypotheses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 Ah, so when he disses your lobbyists its a problem. When he ignores Germany's lobbyists its a problem, and "Trump doesn't know what he's doing". But, when he listens to people who represent our companies and our workers, who have facts like: 1. we've reduced our emissions on our own, more than anybody else, without any grand, socialist wealth transfer scheme, and, 2. China is now the largest polluter, but this agreement lets them pollute even more That's listening to lobbyists? Buddy, you are defending a lame-ass political vehicle for world socialism, and always have been. This(by that I mean the policy) never had anything to do with anything other than taking our $. It's a scam, based on highly questionable hypotheses. Not theory. Unproven, and in some cases, disproven hypotheses. He accuses me of being liberal, I'd get upset if I wasn't filled with self-righteous Canadian irony and self-deprecating humour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCinBuffalo Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 Yeah... considering that 32 of the 50 state legislatures are controlled by the GOP, what, exactly, do you think is going to happen if this fantasy of yours actually comes to pass? Whatever little fantasy scenario you are concocting isn't going to happen. 'Covfefe' has a better chance of becoming an actual word than an Article V convention giving you what you want. It's 33. And, that's the magic #. 32 wouldn't do it. I know exactly what is going to happen, and so can anybody else with a search engine. In fact, there is public record law that has already passed 12 of the 33. It's written in plain English what the scope of the convention would be...and since the same language has to be generally passed by all 33, it's pretty straightforward. In fact, it's a great idea, because this limits the scope of the convention to only what was passed: this prevents Massachusetts from passing it, getting in, and wasting everybody's time with transgender bathrooms. Perhaps you should re-read article 5. It's all there. One highlight of what the 12 passed: The Federal Government shall pass no law/enact no program/create no tax for a social issue that is already being addressed and funded by a state. Federal redundancy killer. So, there's no more need for a Dept of Education. Like I said: it's all there, and google is your friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 Yeah... considering that 32 of the 50 state legislatures are controlled by the GOP, what, exactly, do you think is going to happen if this fantasy of yours actually comes to pass? Whatever little fantasy scenario you are concocting isn't going to happen. 'Covfefe' has a better chance of becoming an actual word than an Article V convention giving you what you want. I would concur with this statement, but knowing the media's fascination with Trump over the last two years it wouldn't surprise me if Merrian-Webster added it to its dictionary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCinBuffalo Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 He accuses me of being liberal, I'd get upset if I wasn't filled with self-righteous Canadian irony and self-deprecating humour. I'm not accusing you of anything other than falling for 10 years of left-wing propaganda, and, not realizing that it ends today. It will take some adjustment for you, I'm sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 I'm not accusing you of anything other than falling for 10 years of left-wing propaganda, and, not realizing that it ends today. It will take some adjustment for you, I'm sure. not you, the person you responded to.... Buckley/Reagan Conservative, we sometimes get something within a few standard deviations of this in Canadian politics... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockpile233 Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 I'm not accusing you of anything other than falling for 10 years of left-wing propaganda, and, not realizing that it ends today. It will take some adjustment for you, I'm sure. lol "it ends today". Very melodramatic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 The US is second in pollution, and Trump (and you apearantly) want to lower our standards to those of China. So that's what you have to look forward to if we do. I figured simplifying it with pictures like Trump's daily briefings would make it easier for you to understand. Appearantly not. USA's emissions have been dropping with much greater use of natural gas, and that trend will continue. China otoh is increasing it's coal use. So yeah, I can see how according to your special math, the two will converge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCinBuffalo Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 (edited) lol "it ends today". Very melodramatic. Yeah, and "10 years from now lower Manhattan will be covered in water" --Al Gore Not melodramatic at all. It's been 10 years, where's the "catastrophe"? Face it. It does end today. There's nothing wrong with getting played, especially putting your trust in an ex-VP. What's wrong is if you're still getting played, after you've been told you're getting played. EDIT: And how could I forget the all time melodramatic classic "English children just aren't going to know what snow is". Edited June 1, 2017 by OCinBuffalo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imissbeastmode Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 (edited) It's 33. And, that's the magic #. 32 wouldn't do it. I know exactly what is going to happen, and so can anybody else with a search engine. In fact, there is public record law that has already passed 12 of the 33. It's written in plain English what the scope of the convention would be...and since the same language has to be generally passed by all 33, it's pretty straightforward. In fact, it's a great idea, because this limits the scope of the convention to only what was passed: this prevents Massachusetts from passing it, getting in, and wasting everybody's time with transgender bathrooms. Perhaps you should re-read article 5. It's all there. One highlight of what the 12 passed: The Federal Government shall pass no law/enact no program/create no tax for a social issue that is already being addressed and funded by a state. Federal redundancy killer. So, there's no more need for a Dept of Education. Like I said: it's all there, and google is your friend. Magic number is 34. 38 states needed to ratify any agreements. Democrat states won't comply. Edited June 1, 2017 by Imissbeastmode Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 Magic number is 34. 38 states needed to ratify any agreements. Democrat states won't comply. I expect some Dem/GOP states will cross what experts predict they will do. They are always wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 (edited) Source? See MELTDOWN; Best Ever; Life of a liberal. Chapt.3, pg. 87, para 3. Edited June 1, 2017 by LABillzFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 See MELTDOWN; Best Ever; Life of a liberal. Chapt.3, pg. 87, para 3. ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh myyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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