26CornerBlitz Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Charley Casserly's rookies of the year through Week 7 (1:03) NFL Media's Charley Casserly reveals his offensive and defensive rookies of 2014 through Week 7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Obviously. Right now it looks like the race is between Sammy and Kelvin Benjamin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 What Johnny Football hasn't won the award already? I thought he was the second coming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 22, 2014 Author Share Posted October 22, 2014 What Johnny Football hasn't won the award already? I thought he was the second coming Nah, he's just the newest Johnny Come Lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 I want Sammy to win, obviously. But Cowboys rookie OG Zack Martin has to be in this conversation. The kid has been an absolute beast, and has a chance to be an all-pro this year, IMO. I realize, however, that "skill position" players are the ones who win this award. Love to see Sammy getting this recognition. He is truly elite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 22, 2014 Author Share Posted October 22, 2014 I want Sammy to win, obviously. But Cowboys rookie OG Zack Martin has to be in this conversation. The kid has been an absolute beast, and has a chance to be an all-pro this year, IMO. I realize, however, that "skill position" players are the ones who win this award. Love to see Sammy getting this recognition. He is truly elite. I think DeMarco Murray and Romo agree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Nah, he's just the newest Johnny Come Lately. 34% completion Hoyer won't stand in his way forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 22, 2014 Author Share Posted October 22, 2014 34% completion Hoyer won't stand in his way forever. Can't wait to see what Johnny Flameout does when he gets his chance that will inevitably come. He's a real student of the game so I'm expecting him to rip the NFL up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Can't wait to see what Johnny Flameout does when he gets his chance that will inevitably come. He's a real student of the game so I'm expecting him to rip the NFL up. Shows up first and is the last to leave.... at the strip club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 22, 2014 Author Share Posted October 22, 2014 Shows up first and is the last to leave.... at the strip club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Shows up first and is the last to leave.... at the strip club. But he takes long breaks in the rest room.... with rolled up dollar BILLS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 One bad game from hoyer and they are already screaming for JFF here. If they lose to the Raiders, it could get ugly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 One bad game from hoyer and they are already screaming for JFF here. If they lose to the Raiders, it could get ugly. I would be screaming too. There's bad games, and then there's 16 of 41 to the Jags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Remember when Casserly was the joke of the league for picking Mario over Reggie Bush and Vince Young. Yeah, that happened.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 I want Sammy to win, obviously. But Cowboys rookie OG Zack Martin has to be in this conversation. The kid has been an absolute beast, and has a chance to be an all-pro this year, IMO. I realize, however, that "skill position" players are the ones who win this award. Love to see Sammy getting this recognition. He is truly elite. Its a shame linemen dont get more recognition . league should go out of its way to help that along. Its not like there isn't room. About half the ROW candidates have fairly ho-him games for talent positions .... like RBs with 72 yards total. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Its a shame linemen dont get more recognition . league should go out of its way to help that along. Its not like there isn't room. About half the ROW candidates have fairly ho-him games for talent positions .... like RBs with 72 yards total. Left Tackles do get some, not so much Right Tackles and Centers, and almost never Guards. If there's one thing this season has taught me, is that Guards are a lot more important than I used to think. Why they don't get more recognition is quite strange to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 SW Madden rating up to 85 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Remember when Casserly was the joke of the league for picking Mario over Reggie Bush and Vince Young. Yeah, that happened.. Mario was the consensus #1 that year. Who said he was a joke for that pick? Its a shame linemen dont get more recognition . league should go out of its way to help that along. Its not like there isn't room. About half the ROW candidates have fairly ho-him games for talent positions .... like RBs with 72 yards total. OGs are a dime a dozen. Just ask the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Remember when Casserly was the joke of the league for picking Mario over Reggie Bush and Vince Young. Yeah, that happened.. Didn't Casserly also make the Redskin QB pick in the early 90's (The guy who is a Congressman in Tennessee now). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Didn't Casserly also make the Redskin QB pick in the early 90's (The guy who is a Congressman in Tennessee now). But doesn't a Washington GM have to pick good politicians? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 24, 2014 Author Share Posted October 24, 2014 Didn't Casserly also make the Redskin QB pick in the early 90's (The guy who is a Congressman in Tennessee now). It was Heath Shuler who was a US Congressman representing NC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Mario was the consensus #1 that year. Who said he was a joke for that pick? "Reggie Bush Sweepstakes" - he was supposed to be the next Gale Sayers and was a shoo-in to be the #1 pick. The people of Houston also wanted Vince Young, after that amazing NCG, and because he's from Houston: http://sportsagentblog.com/2006/04/28/what-went-wrong-in-the-reggie-bush-sweepstakes/ And, how about right on Casserly's wikipedia page: Mario Williams, who many criticized for being the #1 overall pick in 2006 (behind college standouts Reggie Bush and Vince Young), made the Pro Bowl in the 2008 season. I don't listen to Jim Rome anymore, but I did at the time, and the whole theme of the show the next day, and probably more days, was what a clownass pick it was, complete with emails from Sam Bouie saying "Great pick." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 "Reggie Bush Sweepstakes" - he was supposed to be the next Gale Sayers and was a shoo-in to be the #1 pick. The people of Houston also wanted Vince Young, after that amazing NCG, and because he's from Houston: http://sportsagentbl...sh-sweepstakes/ And, how about right on Casserly's wikipedia page: Mario Williams, who many criticized for being the #1 overall pick in 2006 (behind college standouts Reggie Bush and Vince Young), made the Pro Bowl in the 2008 season. I don't listen to Jim Rome anymore, but I did at the time, and the whole theme of the show the next day, and probably more days, was what a clownass pick it was, complete with emails from Sam Bouie saying "Great pick." Interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Interestingly if EJ was still the QB there would be little to no talk of Sammy as ROY, as he's had some phenomenal catches with Orton. I hope it just keeps getting better. This week if our line can hold off that front four Sammy will have a good game against the Jets secondary. Urbik better improve the left side. On the right, they can keep Summers for max protection on pass plays as he's a good blocker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Interestingly if EJ was still the QB there would be little to no talk of Sammy as ROY, as he's had some phenomenal catches with Orton. I hope it just keeps getting better. This week if our line can hold off that front four Sammy will have a good game against the Jets secondary. Urbik better improve the left side. On the right, they can keep Summers for max protection on pass plays as he's a good blocker. sammy should win ROY for the simple fact that he had a 100yd game catching EJ's passes with broken ribs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Mario was the consensus #1 that year. Who said he was a joke for that pick? OGs are a dime a dozen. Just ask the Bills. Mario was not the consensus #1 pick that year. I remember Casserly taking a bunch of heat the first year or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Interestingly if EJ was still the QB there would be little to no talk of Sammy as ROY, as he's had some phenomenal catches with Orton. I hope it just keeps getting better. This week if our line can hold off that front four Sammy will have a good game against the Jets secondary. Urbik better improve the left side. On the right, they can keep Summers for max protection on pass plays as he's a good blocker. Somehow my guts says that the Bills are going to run the football and run it effectively and depend less on the passing game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 (edited) seriously you EJ haters need to let it go, HOW many one handed catches did SW make in summer camp day after day. Where are those same type catches in real games? I thought he could have done it when he grabbed for the ball on the final drive where Orton threw it behind him. If not for Sammy sticking his hand out and preventing a (95%) sure INT the game would have been over, Go ahead call me a KO hater. It is what it is, the pass was off and Sammy saved the game. (twice) Edited October 24, 2014 by BillsFan-4-Ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 seriously you EJ haters need to let it go, HOW many one handed catches did SW make in summer camp day after day. Where are those same type catches in real games? I thought he could have done it when he grabbed for the ball on the final drive where Orton threw it behind him. If not for Sammy sticking his hand out and preventing a (95%) sure INT the game would have been over, Go ahead call me a KO hater. It is what it is, the pass was off and Sammy saved the game. (twice) 2-1!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 (edited) playing the NYETS on the road won't be easy. it hardly seems that way these past 5 - 10 years. you better pray KO makes it 3-1 and not 2-2. fixed it I stand corrected http://www.footballd...eamvsteam?opp=4 WTF recently they win in Jersey and lose in Buffalo???????? Edited October 24, 2014 by BillsFan-4-Ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 playing the NYETS on the road won't be easy. it hardly has been these past 5 - 10 years. you better pray KO makes it 3-1 and not 2-2. So you aren't hoping for 3-1? Are you sure you're a Bills fan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 (edited) So you aren't hoping for 3-1? Are you sure you're a Bills fan? you made a funny ha ha Why is it I can't criticize Orton yet everyone can criticize EJ? a bad pass is still that, so are weekly INT's, fumbles and excessive sacks. Edited October 24, 2014 by BillsFan-4-Ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 (edited) http://www.footballdb.com/teams/nfl/new-york-jets/teamvsteam?opp=4 funny ha ha Why is it I can't criticize Orton yet everyone can criticize EJ? Because you don't criticize, you harp. You don't listen to anyone, but plug your ears when someone refutes what you had to say. You constantly use really awful logic to harp on KO. You make statements like, "you better hope Orton wins the next game," as though what really matters to you is some QB controversy that you've invented in your own head, rather than the overall record of the Bills. And lastly, you attempt to turn every thread into an EJ vs. Orton thread, which was unbearable last year when it was EJ vs. whoever, and is still unbearable now. That's why. Edited October 24, 2014 by FireChan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 (edited) like the Orton fans who won't listen either? IMO he's a slight improvement. yet I can't say that without people saying that I am "harping" so when Orton does something bad I can't complain ...... got it Edited October 24, 2014 by BillsFan-4-Ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 like the orton fans don't listen either? Huh? You make the same points over and over that are readily apparent to anyone with eyes. "He turns the ball over sometimes." We get it. We do. You've been heard. That's enough. so when Orton does something bad I can't complain? got it Exactly. In the Sammy Watkins ROW thread you aren't allowed to complain about Orton. You're learning! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Mario was the consensus #1 that year. Who said he was a joke for that pick? He was absolutely not a consensus #1 that year. Hindsight looks great, but there were many detractors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Huh? You make the same points over and over that are readily apparent to anyone with eyes. "He turns the ball over sometimes." We get it. We do. You've been heard. That's enough. and many make their argument over and over that Orton is a HUGE improvement. FWIW . I'm trying to stop "harping" on the EJ Vs KO debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 (edited) Orton is Fitz with significantly less mobility, but significantly more arm strength. And I don't say that to diminish Orton, because I think our defense is good enough that they would've coasted into the playoffs with Fitz at the helm this year, and maybe even last. I just see a lot of the same tendencies: Charismatic leader, accuracy issues, tendency to unwisely try fitting the ball into very small areas. Edited October 24, 2014 by SageAgainstTheMachine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 (edited) Orton is Fitz with significantly less mobility, but significantly more arm strength. And I don't say that to diminish Orton, because I think our defense is good enough that they would've coasted into the playoffs with Fitz at the helm this year, and maybe even last. I just see a lot of the same tendencies: Charismatic leader, accuracy issues, tendency to unwisely try fitting the ball into very small areas. careful now.... you don't want to upset the apple cart. ;) What I have been trying to say is that - when I want an upgrade over the young EJ I want it to be BIG. like someone with a 4 to 1 TD to INT ratio, less than 2 sacks a game (meaning mobility) and zero fumbles. Edited October 24, 2014 by BillsFan-4-Ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 careful now.... you don't want to upset the apple cart. ;) What I have been trying to say is that - when I want an upgrade over the young EJ I want it to be BIG. like someone with a 4 to 1 TD to INT ratio, less than 2 sacks a game (meaning mobility) and zero fumbles. Who's available that will provide that? Are you seriously complaining over and over because you won't be happy until we have a Russell Wilson/Peyton Manning hybrid QB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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