dubs Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Calvin Johnson! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimp on da' net Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Well this topic really doesn't hold any ground anymore since CJ got hurt this past Sunday, but the one thing I wanted to ask this board was, who they would have chosen CJ vs Hughes as far as the big free agent we keep. Both are in the final year of their rookie contract and both have put up some good numbers through their initial contracts. So who would you choose if you could only sign 1? Myself I would choose Hughes simply because our D-Line is historic right now and it is harder to find a solid pass rusher then it is to find a productive running back. I love CJ and I really hope we find a way to keep them both in the off season. If CJ is the team player he say he Is, he would consider what had happened to him (as unfortunate as it may be) and sig an incentive laden contract giving us the ability to sign Hughes to the contract he deserves. But I think before we do that and it might throw a monkey wrench in the whole thing, we need to sign Dareus to an extension before his rookie contract runs out and before we sign one of the two or both of the free agents mentioned above. Get to work Whaley!!! The Bills are in good shape salary cap wise, plus some others can re-structure their contracts as well...It's a new sheriff in town and he wants to win. Not saying go spend like a drunken sailor but you have to keep your playmakers (even though our OC is glueless ,as to how to use CJ) but let see how the rest of the season shakes out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanM.D. Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Hughes at 'fair price.' I.e. we're gonna have to pony up. CJ is welcome back on the discount if he'll take it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 I like CJ a lot, in that he's a great kid, and explosive player in the right offense... but Hughes is just a monster, and helps our defense in so many ways. The fact that we can get pressure across the board with our starting DL helps out our LBs and DBs so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wnysteel Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 CJ is "a running back" who has shown flashes of brilliance, but has not done it consistently. he is also quickly approaching the typical half-life that RBs have in this league, and coming off a major injury. we can always find another "running back". impact DEs are much harder to find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sojourner Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Is it a definitive case of "one or the other"? If so, it has to be Hughes. Without hesitation. we can always find another "running back". impact DEs are much harder to find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Spiller has already been replaced. This says it all--of Spillers 287 yards (69 carries), 100 of them came on 2 runs. That leaves an avg of 2.8 yards per for the rest of the season. Let's all wish him well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHateMe Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Hughes for sure. Him and Dareus going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Kelvin Sheppard. Thanks for reminding me of the name of the guy we traded for Hughes. I had to google it before I saw your post. For all the dumb personnel moves the Bills have made, that one sure panned out. A completely lopsided win for the Bills. So I wonder how long the Bills can keep this D line together? Mario Williams is locked up for several years. Can the Bills afford to pay both Dareus and Hughes? There are younger and cheaper (and not quite as good) DT replacements for Dareus already on the team, and very few DEs, so my guess is we let Dareus go if one of them has to. But what a loss that will be. And does anyone know how long Kyle Williams is signed for? I think the professionals in the NFL, much more than the casual fans, recognize KW's value, so it could be expensive to keep him too. I would keep him over Hughes actually because he's the locker room leader on defense. I'm guessing Fred Jackson might have one more year left and he's the other leader on the team. Bad mojo to let both leaders go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 You must keep Dareus and Hughes. That front 4 provides the LB corp great room to operate. Imagine next year when Kiko is back. The D could be the top in the league. That takes some pressure off the offense. We can find a RB if we actually try to acquire one. But the O-line needs to be vastly improved before the run game will be successful again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Thanks for reminding me of the name of the guy we traded for Hughes. I had to google it before I saw your post. For all the dumb personnel moves the Bills have made, that one sure panned out. A completely lopsided win for the Bills. So I wonder how long the Bills can keep this D line together? Mario Williams is locked up for several years. Can the Bills afford to pay both Dareus and Hughes? There are younger and cheaper (and not quite as good) DT replacements for Dareus already on the team, and very few DEs, so my guess is we let Dareus go if one of them has to. But what a loss that will be. And does anyone know how long Kyle Williams is signed for? I think the professionals in the NFL, much more than the casual fans, recognize KW's value, so it could be expensive to keep him too. I would keep him over Hughes actually because he's the locker room leader on defense. I'm guessing Fred Jackson might have one more year left and he's the other leader on the team. Bad mojo to let both leaders go. In resigning Dareus. Sure could we replace him with somebody who is at best comparable, but not as good. I think you have to take into consideration KWs age. We can't afford to lose/replace both down the line. Dareus is a must. And is/should be our most important contract extension. I think we have 25 mil in cap space next year, but still need to think about a few years from now in guys like Glenn and Woods. Not to mention Chandler. I know he is a whipping boy, but has been playing well with a "real" NFL QB. I'm fine letting him walk if he wants a big pay day, but the Bills all too often do that without having a replacement on the roster. Based on that you have to plan on resigning him after next season. Note: I don't think Dareus is really replaceable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Hughes, especially if Bryce Brown is looking like a legit option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 We must keep the DL in tact. It is dominant. We control games with that DL. Dareus over Hughes if it comes down to it, but I think we can manage both. I like CJ if we can get him at a reasonable rate, but he is not worth losing Hughes or Dareus over, let alone Spikes, Easley or Searcy. Or even Wynn, that dude is growing on me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Joe Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Thanks for reminding me of the name of the guy we traded for Hughes. I had to google it before I saw your post. For all the dumb personnel moves the Bills have made, that one sure panned out. A completely lopsided win for the Bills. Thanks for noticing. I was being sarcastic because if we still had Kelvin we wouldn't be having this discussion. Also, we got a 1st rounder for a 3rd rounder. (Which also questions those who want to grade drafts in the same year calendar year). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 I thought this would be about CJ and Jerry Sullivan playing Strat-O-Matic Baseball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Price wise it's actually jerry vs all of our running backs, roughly. That should put into perspective why jerry vs cj by himself is an obvious choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Hughes thrived in pettines Defense. Some of us thought he may not fit up in Jims' wide nine ! he is starting to become excellent. Bills starting front four need to be kept together as a priority. Running backs have little comparison here. I still respect Spiller. A young man of good character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 (edited) Hughes thrived in pettines Defense. Some of us thought he may not fit up in Jims' wide nine ! he is starting to become excellent. Bills starting front four need to be kept together as a priority. Running backs have little comparison here. I still respect Spiller. A young man of good character. Amen! Hughes was a steal! You can't win them all, but give our guys credit for this one. Now it's time to pay the man. EDIT: Within reason of course, followed by Dareus. Edited October 24, 2014 by Augie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 And that's an understatement. I would pay Hughes whatever he wanted; guys like him are hard to find. Gotta re-sign Hughes and dareus. Critical. Yup, especially Dareus. You can find good running backs any time. Just look at Freddie -- who wanted him five years ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Yup, especially Dareus. You can find good running backs any time. Just look at Freddie -- who wanted him five years ago? Freddie is the exception to any rules. So what is within reason ? I dont think we fans know the answer , honestly. We have to trust in Whaley and his cohorts on stuff like this . But lets hope Bills never cheap out on guards ever ever again . Damn you Buddy " dime a dozen" Nix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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