John from Riverside Posted October 11, 2014 Share Posted October 11, 2014 You can debate whether or not EJ Manuel was reach at the postiion from now till the end of time......my opinion is that he was thrust in too early and might not be unsalvagable....... BUT....I think it is worth noting that a lot of the same posters who are denouncing the EJ Manuel pick are ALSO saying we should take a QB in the 2nd round of next year.......simply because we need one to groom Isnt that in effect doing the exact same thing? Reaching because of need? I personally hope that we do NOT reach for a QB in the 2nd round of next year simply because we have a above average backup QB starting for our team right now........ The 2nd and 3rd round of next year would be great spots to find a quality TE and OG.......positions that are greatly needed on this team. Unless Pegula (and maybe he will?) opens up the wallet for vets at those positions then maybe we can go LB or whatever I am NOT saying dont draft a QB.....what I am saying is I find it amazing how people talk about they hate the EJ Manuel pick and then the next breath talk about taking a 2nd round QB to be "the guy" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 depends on who is available, definitely don't want to reach on a bum. We could also use a real pass catching TE or guard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 It's not talked about enough that in this years second round we were trying like crazy to draft Carlos Hyde Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 stilled pissed we Didn't take Amaro in the 2nd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San-O Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 You can debate whether or not EJ Manuel was reach at the postiion from now till the end of time......my opinion is that he was thrust in too early and might not be unsalvagable....... BUT....I think it is worth noting that a lot of the same posters who are denouncing the EJ Manuel pick are ALSO saying we should take a QB in the 2nd round of next year.......simply because we need one to groom Isnt that in effect doing the exact same thing? Reaching because of need? I personally hope that we do NOT reach for a QB in the 2nd round of next year simply because we have a above average backup QB starting for our team right now........ The 2nd and 3rd round of next year would be great spots to find a quality TE and OG.......positions that are greatly needed on this team. Unless Pegula (and maybe he will?) opens up the wallet for vets at those positions then maybe we can go LB or whatever I am NOT saying dont draft a QB.....what I am saying is I find it amazing how people talk about they hate the EJ Manuel pick and then the next breath talk about taking a 2nd round QB to be "the guy" o Who is debating this anymore? Not only a reach, but a bad QB selection in any higher rounds IMO. o He was benched 4 games into his 2nd year. How is this thrust in too soon? Look around the league. He was given every possible chance, handed the job, and never progressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Regardless of where he is drafted, QB should be a top priority for this team going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San-O Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Regardless of where he is drafted, QB should be a top priority for this team going forward. + 1 Q: How could the NOT have this as a top priority? A la Buddy Nix. Brutal Novice decisions IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swnybillsfan Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 stilled pissed we Didn't take Amaro in the 2nd i was on the troy niklas bandwagon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 It's not talked about enough that in this years second round we were trying like crazy to draft Carlos Hyde Spiller would have been gone in the morning if we did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Call me crazy but there are three options that don't involve the draft. 1: Orton 2: Hoyer 3: Manziel Cleveland doesn't have to make a move at QB after the season but they might. If I were Cleveland id franchise Hoyer and see if he can string 2 productive seasons in a row (assuming the rest of his year goes well) and if year 2 for Hoyer goes well I'd trade Johnny. But they may be willing to move one of them or not even resign Hoyer for that matter. But let's not throw away Orton who's a damn good QB. Orton is a guy that every front office likes but he's not exactly what they want because he doesn't have that cannon deep arm...whatever, he's efficient and will play solid football. His games a lot different than Jeff Garcias but he's like him in that you can win/build around him but nobody has because they always move on to a guy who they think can be the next Manning/elite guy... But he's fine. Bottom line: learn from EJ. A prospect might look the way you want and throw the way you want when he's in shorts but turn on the game tape. EJ was NEVER good. Ever. We. Must. Not. Reach. Again. If there's not a QB in the 2nd next year let's not take one. We're fine with Orton. And for the love of God let's not reach again. EJ was a reach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaMilBill Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 It isn't a reach if you're convinced that specific QB is your guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 The longer the Bills go with no legitimate QB prospect the further away a championship will be. So the Bills don't have to take a QB in next year's draft if they're ok waiting a few more years to be a contender. Personally, I'd be taking a QB every single year until I found one that was good. It doesn't have to be in round 2, but the longer you wait the longer the odds of finding someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Which teams will be drafting a qb? I'm thinking Houston, Dallas, St Louis, maybe NYJ? Not a lot of teams NEED one like in past drafts. If someone falls to us then sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Houston, St Louis, and the Jets will for sure draft a QB. Dallas May as well as Miami and Oakland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 We don't need a QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 A reach is simply drafting a player ahead of where their talent dictates they should go. There are usually prospects at QB that are second rounders due to this. That the Bills may draft a QB in the 2nd round does not inherently make it a reach, as you imply. EJ was thought to be a mid round type talent bymost draftniks. He was a classic reach. Most years there are QBs available whose talent, development, or even injury status dictates they are 2nd round or lower type selections. It's the elite prospects that are not always found in each draft, and that was the case with EJ. It doesn't mean he will never amount to a good NFL starter, just that his flaws make it a lot less likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 BUT....I think it is worth noting that a lot of the same posters who are denouncing the EJ Manuel pick are ALSO saying we should take a QB in the 2nd round of next year.......simply because we need one to groom Admittedly I haven't been around the board much but I haven't seen any of that. What I've seen are threads discussing what QB could be available in the second. Anyone who says the team must draft a QB in the second should think before typing. Lots of games to play yet and a full off season to boot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max997 Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 It's the Saturday before week 6 and the biggest game this team has had this century so why on earth is anyone talking about the draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 It's the Saturday before week 6 and the biggest game this team has had this century so why on earth is anyone talking about the draft I'm not sure about that, but it is most definitely the biggest game of the Pegula Epoch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max997 Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 I'm not sure about that, but it is most definitely the biggest game of the Pegula Epoch. What game has been bigger? The Week 17 game vs Pitt? Lawyer Milloy game? Week 2 vs Phins? All big games but not like this. This game has so much going on and not only can Bills take control of AFC East they can knock Pats back to earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seq004 Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Regardless of where he is drafted, QB should be a top priority for this team going forward. ^ correct without question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 i was on the troy niklas bandwagon. me too, I wanted two TEs, we would have had our own Gronk and Hernadez. Where did Niklas go? It isn't a reach if you're convinced that specific QB is your guy It's a reach if you are hell bent on a QB and you take a third rounder in the first. There judgement was clearly clouded by desire. It's the Saturday before week 6 and the biggest game this team has had this century so why on earth is anyone talking about the draft Same reason we are talking about a new stadium; the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalScotts Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Regardless of where he is drafted, QB should be a top priority for this team going forward. don't need to get a qb IF Orton works out hes 31 we have time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 don't need to get a qb IF Orton works out hes 31 we have time Orton is a great stop gap but I don't want us to be in a position where we back ourselves into a corner again needing to draft one. We have an opportunity to draft a kid with talent who could sit behind Orton and develop before getting his shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 stilled pissed we Didn't take Amaro in the 2nd Im still pissed we passed on R. Wilson & took who we did who ever made that call needs fired if they ain't gone by now !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 I think the Bills need to do everything they can to get really lucky with a QB draft pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Im still pissed we passed on R. Wilson & took who we did who ever made that call needs fired if they ain't gone by now !! They are partially gone as I believe Buddy Nix is still around giving Whaley advice. To the OP, I'm not hearing anyone talking much about anything other then the Patriots this week, except perhaps the OG situation. Should the FO manage to fix the OG's position, I'd think the QB play & run game will both improve. If not then we will see what the next regime wants to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills_fan_in_raleigh Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 We have a pass catching TE we ned OG that can run block or block in anyway. In say we draft OG! OG, OG than LB, CB , CB, CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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