GoBills808 Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 I don't want that person on my team or anywhere near my office. That's totally fine, and well within your right as an employer. My issue is equating cannabis use with personal or moral defects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 That's totally fine, and well within your right as an employer. My issue is equating cannabis use with personal or moral defects. There is a defect with someone who wakes and bakes and smokes all day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 There is a defect with someone who wakes and bakes and smokes all day. We're not in disagreement. But the usage rate/defect ratio pertains to a variety of substances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 We're not in disagreement. But the usage rate/defect ratio pertains to a variety of substances. We're not talking about a variety of substances. We're talking about one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 We're not talking about a variety of substances. We're talking about one. Without placing cannabis in its proper context among the myriad of abused substances you can't properly define its impact, and thus you can't make a determination about the particular user's constitution. For example: how much is too much daily cannabis use for you to consider that individual sufficiently compromised? One toke? One joint? Ten? Then compare that to your feelings about alcohol usage and ask yourself what your threshold is for evaluating his or her moral compass: one beer? Two? A case? It's all about context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 Without placing cannabis in its proper context among the myriad of abused substances you can't properly define its impact, It makes dumbasses start threads like this, whereas no one ever started a thread on the miracle cure-all properties of cocaine or huffing paint thinner. Right there, it's impact is significantly worse... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 It makes dumbasses start threads like this, whereas no one ever started a thread on the miracle cure-all properties of cocaine or huffing paint thinner. Right there, it's impact is significantly worse... It's all about health risk vs medicinal benefit. That's why cannabis needs more research, along with less naysayers AND less abusers. And who hasn't done blow medicinally? It's all I take for my anxiety! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 Without placing cannabis in its proper context among the myriad of abused substances you can't properly define its impact, and thus you can't make a determination about the particular user's constitution. For example: how much is too much daily cannabis use for you to consider that individual sufficiently compromised? One toke? One joint? Ten? Then compare that to your feelings about alcohol usage and ask yourself what your threshold is for evaluating his or her moral compass: one beer? Two? A case? It's all about context. I'm not evaluating anyone's moral compass. I'm evaluating their mental state. Anyone who smokes weed all day in my opinion has a mental problem. And I pretty much dismiss any argument on the subject of self medication as soon as people start comparing one substance to another. And if you suffer from anxiety I suggest you lay off the cola. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 It's all about health risk vs medicinal benefit. That's why cannabis needs more research, along with less naysayers AND less abusers. And fewer proselytizing idiots who claim it cures "disease." The biggest argument against legalized pot is still the addle-brained stupidity of the people espousing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grinreaper Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 There is a defect with someone who wakes and bakes and smokes all day. They would physically stink and I wouldn't want to be around them for that reason alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 And fewer proselytizing idiots who claim it cures "disease." The biggest argument against legalized pot is still the addle-brained stupidity of the people espousing it. If the espousal of the stupid is your limiting factor, I have some very bad news for you regarding pretty much everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 There is a defect with someone who wakes and bakes and smokes all day. And accomplishes nothing What of people who do so and make substantial contributions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 And accomplishes nothing What of people who do so and make substantial contributions? We can live happily without the "substantial contributions" of people like Tom Petty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 And accomplishes nothing What of people who do so and make substantial contributions? They still likel have a mental problem. Lots of mentally ill people that contribute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 Some guy on another board was saying he wouldn't be impaired to drive an hour after smoking a joint. I said: You better be impaired an hour later - or buy some better ****. His answer: Please. I'm smoking high quality medical grade cannabis. I've been smoking since 1981 and I've been a daily smoker for at least 25 years now. I would say I smoke an average of 5 to 6 joints most days. THC and CBD are present in my system in fairly high levels which increases tolerance for the chemicals. I may not smoke an entire joint in a sitting. Sometimes I'll smoke a third or so, then a bit more in an hour, then the last of it a bit later on. In a case like that, sure I'm high for several hours, but if I just smoke until Im stoned then stop, I'm clear in about an hour. This was at some point after I made the observation that the people I know who are the craziest angriest anti Trumpers also seem to smoke the most pot - and this didn't make sense as I thought it was supposed to mellow you out. This guy is the angriest of the angry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 Some guy on another board was saying he wouldn't be impaired to drive an hour after smoking a joint. I said: You better be impaired an hour later - or buy some better ****. His answer: Please. I'm smoking high quality medical grade cannabis. I've been smoking since 1981 and I've been a daily smoker for at least 25 years now. I would say I smoke an average of 5 to 6 joints most days. THC and CBD are present in my system in fairly high levels which increases tolerance for the chemicals. I may not smoke an entire joint in a sitting. Sometimes I'll smoke a third or so, then a bit more in an hour, then the last of it a bit later on. In a case like that, sure I'm high for several hours, but if I just smoke until Im stoned then stop, I'm clear in about an hour. This was at some point after I made the observation that the people I know who are the craziest angriest anti Trumpers also seem to smoke the most pot - and this didn't make sense as I thought it was supposed to mellow you out. This guy is the angriest of the angry. Sounds like a stoner with a mental problem to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 They still likel have a mental problem. Lots of mentally ill people that contribute. What kind of mental problem ? Should they switch to adderal, white wine, and marlboro lights like the "stable" folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 What kind of mental problem ? Should they switch to adderal, white wine, and marlboro lights like the "stable" folks. You don't think someone who has to self medicate all day every day doesn't have a mental problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 Sounds like a stoner with a mental problem to me. Yeah - I don't know if the 25 straight years of being stoned caused the mental problem or if it was there already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 What kind of mental problem ? The kind that causes enjoyment of Tom Petty "music..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 (edited) You don't think someone who has to self medicate all day every day doesn't have a mental problem?Not necessarily. I know a guy who tokes all day makes 150k plus (Hampton Roads not NY/SF cost of living) in a white collar banking/finance environment and seems like he has life by the balls. I also see the dread head who works at the bong shops that can barely speak without sounding like a dumbass. Guess folks are different when it comes to the weed. Edited July 22, 2017 by Maury Ballstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 Not necessarily. I know a guy who tokes all day makes 150k plus (Hampton Roads not NY/SF cost of living) in a white collar banking/finance environment and seems like he has life by the balls. I also see the dread head who works at the bong shops that can barely speak without sounding like a dumbass. Guess folks are different when it comes to the weed. There are a lot of people making $150k a year and "seem" to have life by the balls who are total !@#$ ups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 There are a lot of people making $150k a year and "seem" to have life by the balls who are total !@#$ ups. I'm betting they smoke pot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 There are a lot of people making $150k a year and "seem" to have life by the balls who are total !@#$ ups. Harder to identify I imagine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in Mich Posted August 4, 2017 Author Share Posted August 4, 2017 The Biology of Cannabis vs. Opioids for Pain Relief https://www.leafly.com/news/science-tech/medical-marijuana-opioid-pain-relief-substitute from the article Opioids and THC in combination offer comparable pain-relieving effects compared to opioids alone. This interaction can be used to reduce opioid doses for pain management and slowly wean patients off opioid medications altogether as they switch to cannabis-based treatments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 The Biology of Cannabis vs. Opioids for Pain Relief https://www.leafly.com/news/science-tech/medical-marijuana-opioid-pain-relief-substitute from the article Opioids and THC in combination offer comparable pain-relieving effects compared to opioids alone. This interaction can be used to reduce opioid doses for pain management and slowly wean patients off opioid medications altogether as they switch to cannabis-based treatments. Must be Friday. Bob's firing up the bong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 (edited) Must be Friday. Bob's firing up the bong! Gotta love the "pothead" response to a legitimate debate. I'm sure Tom will drop the hammer with a Tom Petty zinger next The Biology of Cannabis vs. Opioids for Pain Relief https://www.leafly.com/news/science-tech/medical-marijuana-opioid-pain-relief-substitute from the article Opioids and THC in combination offer comparable pain-relieving effects compared to opioids alone. This interaction can be used to reduce opioid doses for pain management and slowly wean patients off opioid medications altogether as they switch to cannabis-based treatments. Thanks for your contributions Edited August 4, 2017 by SWATeam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 The Biology of Cannabis vs. Opioids for Pain Relief https://www.leafly.com/news/science-tech/medical-marijuana-opioid-pain-relief-substitute from the article Opioids and THC in combination offer comparable pain-relieving effects compared to opioids alone. This interaction can be used to reduce opioid doses for pain management and slowly wean patients off opioid medications altogether as they switch to cannabis-based treatments. You'll never find a credible scientific source for your bull ****, will you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 Gotta love the "pothead" response to a legitimate debate. I'm sure Tom will drop the hammer with a Tom Petty zinger next Thanks for your contributions The legitimate debate ended here a long time ago. Actually it ended with the thread title. You'll never find a credible scientific source for your bull ****, will you? Leafy is good for strain reviews and finding a good dispensary nearby. It's pretty much Yelp for stoners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 You'll never find a credible scientific source for your bull ****, will you? Yes, but in fairness, you wouldn't accept the scientific conclusions anyway because the Jeff Sessions institute might be the hold out on saying pot is bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 The Biology of Cannabis vs. Opioids for Pain Relief https://www.leafly.com/news/science-tech/medical-marijuana-opioid-pain-relief-substitute from the article Opioids and THC in combination offer comparable pain-relieving effects compared to opioids alone. This interaction can be used to reduce opioid doses for pain management and slowly wean patients off opioid medications altogether as they switch to cannabis-based treatments. So opioids plus pot = opioids. I would think the conclusion would be that the pot did nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 So opioids plus pot = opioids. I would think the conclusion would be that the pot did nothing. It's saying the pot cures opioid addiction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 Gotta love the "pothead" response to a legitimate debate. I'm sure Tom will drop the hammer with a Tom Petty zinger next Thanks for your contributions What debate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 What debate? Epilepsy, Crohn's, Drunks against legalization. Pick one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in Mich Posted August 5, 2017 Author Share Posted August 5, 2017 So opioids plus pot = opioids. I would think the conclusion would be that the pot did nothing. Recall that as a society, we are trying to reduce opiate prescriptions. If a good percentage of chronic pain patients currently dependent on opiates could switch to cannabis based medicines, our society could could cut opiate prescriptions significantly. First hand let me tell you, those individual patients would be much better off for having ditched the opiates. Yes, then people are using cannabis based medicines instead of opiates for pain control so there there would be more cannabis medicine available in our society. Available to both patients and to abusers. If you feel that that is a wash, essentially substituting one bad for another bad, please do some research on possible harms from each. If your inquisitive child or teen stumbled upon a months supply of a pain patient's opiates or a months supply of his cannabis and decided to try it, which would you prefer he found? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 Recall that as a society, we are trying to reduce opiate prescriptions. If a good percentage of chronic pain patients currently dependent on opiates could switch to cannabis based medicines, our society could could cut opiate prescriptions significantly. First hand let me tell you, those individual patients would be much better off for having ditched the opiates. Yes, then people are using cannabis based medicines instead of opiates for pain control so there there would be more cannabis medicine available in our society. Available to both patients and to abusers. If you feel that that is a wash, essentially substituting one bad for another bad, please do some research on possible harms from each. If your inquisitive child or teen stumbled upon a months supply of a pain patient's opiates or a months supply of his cannabis and decided to try it, which would you prefer he found? I'm not arguing that. I'm arguing the logic that you pulled out of the article. It could say I drank water along with opioids and the result was the same as opioids. So, therefore, drink more water for pain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in Mich Posted August 5, 2017 Author Share Posted August 5, 2017 It's saying the pot cures opioid addiction. Opiates are highly addictive and quitting them brings on withdrawal symptoms. These are extremely unpleasant and avoiding those symptoms is a big reason many keep using. Cannabis can reduce the impact of those withdrawal symptoms making it, for some, easier to quit the opiates. Cannabis can help with nausea, cramping, body aches, anxiety, and sleeplessness, which are many of the symptoms of withdrawal. I'm not arguing that. I'm arguing the logic that you pulled out of the article. It could say I drank water along with opioids and the result was the same as opioids. So, therefore, drink more water for pain. Say you take 4 vicodins a day for pain. After smoking cannabis, you find that you now only need one vicodin for your pain. Perhaps, later, after trying cannabis concentrate capsules, you find you no longer need the vicodins at all. Not really sure I see a logic problem. Cannabis is effective against pain. Water is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 How do you come to that conclusion with this statement?: Opioids and THC in combination offer comparable pain-relieving effects compared to opioids alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in Mich Posted August 5, 2017 Author Share Posted August 5, 2017 (edited) I guess the statement from the article could have spelled it out more clearly but the point is obvious, unless you are purposely trying to miss it. Patients can reduce their opiate usage by using the cannabis to help alleviate the pain. Edited August 5, 2017 by Bob in Mich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 I just want it to make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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