What is better, no guns, or more guns?

[Tiberius]

Just now, Gregg said:

 

Why should they get special treatment. Practice what you preach. Draining the swamp of guns and enforcing guns laws does nothing. Criminals don't follow the rules and will still find a way to get guns.

So people don't want to get shot, so you make easier to get them shot? 

 

Brilliant! 

 

[Gregg]

Just now, Tiberius said:

So people don't want to get shot, so you make easier to get them shot? 

 

Brilliant! 

 

 

I am not making it easier for anything. What part of criminals don't follow the rules don't you get. Drain the swamp of guns, pass all the guns laws you want. It won't change a thing. Criminals will still have guns. 

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

So what you're telling me... if you collect something, you're a target for being robbed. 

 

LOL

 

Dude, I live in a rural Oklahoma town, actually outside that little town on 30+ acres. I have a gated fence with a lot of security. In fact, my house has 8 cameras, mostly outside and a damn good alarm. I have a SECUREIT safe that's bolted to the ground, a safe located in a "cubby hole." You're not getting into it unless you know the code. My sheriff, who is a bad ass VERY pro-2A VERY conservatives guy (beat the ***** out of you before the handcuffs if you've done something really bad, type of LEO) has my gate code and my cell phone. Oh, I also have a 'ranch hand' who is out here 5-6 hours a day working with the horses.

 

So yea, they could try to break in but good luck. God bless them if they try it when I'm home. 

Never understood the argument for having a zillion cameras on your house unless it’s to catch people that have already done a crime
 

So you’re telling me that you sit there and monitor those cameras

 

 

[ArdmoreRyno]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

Drain the swamp of guns 

So they can just be murdered? 

 

You're calling the hood.... a "swamp"? 

 

Well, I agree with that assessment. 

[Tommy Callahan]

1 hour ago, Tommy Callahan said:

Drain the swamp of guns

Still no answer.  come on.

 

what's the plan.  how would you see it playing out.

 

How would you drain it. 

 

 

 

 

 

[Tiberius]

3 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

You're calling the hood.... a "swamp"? 

 

Well, I agree with that assessment. 

Yup, and  that attitude is why you want to flood urban areas with guns, right? 

[ArdmoreRyno]

40 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Never understood the argument for having a zillion cameras on your house unless it’s to catch people that have already done a crime
 

So you’re telling me that you sit there and monitor those cameras

 

 

 

Why not? Why not have a firearm just in case something happens? Why not have a first aid kit in your car, just in case of a car accident? Why not have security cameras just in case someone tries to break in? 

 

Believe it or not, as peaceful as it is in my part of the world... there are a meth heads.  There was a dude who tried to break into a house just 2 miles from me, off the same dirt road. He was caught and is in jail waiting for his court date.  https://johnstoncosentinel.com/2023/10/break-in-results-in-felony-charges-against-tishomingo-resident/

 

And no, I don't. I get alerted when a human walks past the cameras. I get alerted if a window or door opens. Technology is amazing these days. 

 

Anything else? 

2 minutes ago, Tommy Callahan said:

Still no answer.  come on.

 

what's the plan.  how would you see it playing out.

 

How would you drain it. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

He doesn't have an answer. He and David Hogg just love to scream about taking guns from people, yet have no plan on how that would play out. 

[Tommy Callahan]

11 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

Why not have security cameras just in case someone tries to break in?

IF they are visible. they are also a heck of a preventative security measure.

 

Tweakers don't notice. but real criminals avoid things that get them caught.  like cameras, dogs, Retirees and so on.  Eff, just put a "Beware of ADT" sign and it helps.

 

 

 

 

[ArdmoreRyno]

18 minutes ago, Tommy Callahan said:

IF they are visible. they are also a heck of a preventative security measure.

 

Tweakers don't notice. but real criminals avoid things that get them caught.  like cameras, dogs, Retirees and so on.  Eff, just put a "Beware of ADT" sign and it helps.

 

 

 

 

 

I have stickers on all sides of my home

 

Yea, meth heads will probably ignore the signs and cameras but once the alarm goes off maybe they'll leave. Then there's nothing of serious value they can grab. Maybe the PS5, 70" screens, etc? I do have a valuable vintage Star Wars collection in my home.. so that's really the only risk. 

 

I also have a insanely loud and crazy Sheltie that barks A LOT. He gets REAL pissed off when the horses lay down for some reason 😂 But he can see the drive from the gate to the parking area via the front windows (it's right at his height). He will bark at everything. Sorta annoying really, but I love the little guy.

[ArdmoreRyno]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/30/maine-gunmans-family-reached-out-to-sheriff-five-months-before-shootings

 

Again, this isn't a gun issue. This could have been prevented. LEO f'ed up again. We don't need more damn laws. We need those laws to be enforced. Period. 

[\GoBillsInDallas/]

On 10/30/2023 at 8:48 AM, Orlando Tim said:

What new law do you propose that would have changed things?

 

I got it, I got it!

 

We'll kill the first-born male child in every household. 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

CIVIL RIGHTS UPDATE:

 

 

 

[BillStime]

 

[ArdmoreRyno]

1 hour ago, BillStime said:

 

 

"Often from Faux News" 

 

What a crock of *****. 

[BillStime]

38 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

"Often from Faux News" 

 

What a crock of *****. 

 

The truth, while often difficult to accept, can be painful. It's an undeniable reality that we all must face.

[Tommy Callahan]

41 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

"Often from Faux News" 

 

What a crock of *****. 

the propagandist are running out of script.

 

 

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

Civil Rights Update:

 

 

[Tommy Callahan]

12 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Civil Rights Update:

 

 

Hopefully the NY abomination gun laws are there soon.

 

 

[ArdmoreRyno]

22 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Civil Rights Update:

 

 

 

I was previously covered under Firearms Policy Coalition (FPC) with their injunction... this just makes it way easier now. Don't have to explain the entire spill to LEO if it ever came down to it.

 

Thank the good Lord for the 5th Circuit Court. I love Texas.

[BillStime]

5 minutes ago, Tommy Callahan said:

Hopefully the NY abomination gun laws are there soon.

 

 

 

It should be pointed out that Chris, after careful consideration and understanding, has found no reasons for concern or disagreement when it comes to the "Gun Owners of America Inc. Political Victory Fund" PAC.

 

 

Also, Chris - more than 253 times:

 

5 minutes ago, Tommy Callahan said:

LMAO. 

 

Another George Conway Dirty money funded PAC talking a nice story.

 

On 11/7/2023 at 8:19 AM, Tommy Callahan said:

just another Dirty money PAC influencing perception

 

On 10/12/2023 at 8:18 AM, Tommy Callahan said:

They are openly bragging about Dirty PACS

 

On 10/3/2023 at 2:07 PM, Tommy Callahan said:

But in the big picture we are talking about shady pacs. (huge and dirty money promoting politics)

 

On 9/26/2022 at 2:46 PM, Tommy Callahan said:

Wonder what dirty money paid for that commercial.

 

On 11/6/2023 at 9:18 AM, Tommy Callahan said:

when all the billionaire and Corporate funded PACS align, the easily manipulated will be whipped up to a frenzy.

 

On 11/1/2023 at 10:00 AM, Tommy Callahan said:

PACS, Charities, lobbyist, and think tanks.  mostly funded by the same small sub section of the top quintile.

 

 

 

[Tommy Callahan]

^^^^^^ creepy stalk Ish behavior.

 

Ugh.

 

 

[BillStime]

14 minutes ago, Tommy Callahan said:

^^^^^^ creepy stalk Ish behavior.

 

Ugh.

 

 

 

No, Chris.

 

There's no stalking happening here.

 

You've mentioned PACS over 253 times, so it's difficult not to notice your fixation.

 

What's truly unsettling, though, is you running into brick walls here every day here, without recognizing your own hypocrisy.

 

 

 

 

[Tommy Callahan]

doubled down on the creepy stalking.

 

way to make your case.

 

 

[BillStime]

1 minute ago, Tommy Callahan said:

doubled down on the creepy stalking.

 

way to make your case.

 

 

Truth hurts 

[LeviF]

https://twitter.com/cremieuxrecueil/status/1723194947065532799?s=46&t=z4GEK-rD0C7ewzrcW7Kukw

 

I was told that just tossing violent criminals into a pit doesn’t work. 
 

Also, over/under on days until Bukele gets smoked by the CIA?

 

Edited November 11, 2023 by LeviF

[gobills404]

On 11/9/2023 at 9:35 AM, BillStime said:

 

Congrats to them on being brainwashed into hating their own race.

[BillStime]

38 minutes ago, gobills404 said:

Congrats to them on being brainwashed into hating their own race.

Who is brainwashing who?

 

So what are you telling us with this graph? Ban gun sales to blacks and Hispanics? 

Your graph also tells us that Canadians are getting shot more than US whites?  
 

Right. 
 

Should we build a wall between the US and Canada, too?

 

You gotta move US whites all the way over to the left before Finland.

[Orlando Tim]

41 minutes ago, BillStime said:

Who is brainwashing who?

 

So what are you telling us with this graph? Ban gun sales to blacks and Hispanics? 

Your graph also tells us that Canadians are getting shot more than US whites?  
 

Right. 
 

Should we build a wall between the US and Canada, too?

 

You gotta move US whites all the way over to the left before Finland.

That is a lot of questions for a guy who never answers any. 

[gobills404]

1 hour ago, BillStime said:

Who is brainwashing who?

 

So what are you telling us with this graph? Ban gun sales to blacks and Hispanics? 

Your graph also tells us that Canadians are getting shot more than US whites?  
 

Right. 
 

Should we build a wall between the US and Canada, too?

 

You gotta move US whites all the way over to the left before Finland.

Hang on let me do what you do and find a ***** Facebook meme from 5 years ago to post as my response.

1 hour ago, Orlando Tim said:

That is a lot of questions for a guy who never answers any. 

“🎯🎯🎯”

Edited November 12, 2023 by gobills404

[BillStime]

2 minutes ago, gobills404 said:

Hang on let me do what you do and find a ***** Facebook meme from 5 years ago to post as my response.

Oh did I respond to your post with a ***** Facebook meme?

 

Nope.

 

 

 

 

[Orlando Tim]

22 minutes ago, BillStime said:

Oh did I respond to your post with a ***** Facebook meme?

 

Nope.

 

 

 

 

No you asked asinine questions  that are vaguely related to the comment because now you want to have a real conversation after mainly being a troll for so long.

[gobills404]

7 hours ago, Orlando Tim said:

No you asked asinine questions  that are vaguely related to the comment because now you want to have a real conversation after mainly being a troll for so long.

They troll all day and then when someone gives them the same treatment they suddenly pretend like they’re not a troll. It’s so boring and predictable.

[TSOL]

If I could get the whole world to switch over to nerf guns, I would. 

That's the answer, nerf guns, 

[B-Man]

 

 

Milwaukee Paper Discovers 'Gun Death' Lie

By Tom Knighton 

 

The term “gun death” is popular among gun control advocates and their politicians who push that same agenda. It’s a simple enough term, too. It’s simply the total number of people killed with a firearm, regardless of who pulled the trigger or why.

 

It might even be a useful statistic in some cases.

 

However, when talking about guns and gun control, it’s misdirection at best and a case of lying with facts at its worst.

 

It’s an effort to lump all such fatalities together to make the issue seem bigger than it is. And it seems folks at the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel got an eye-opener on the topic recently.

 

Quote

 

Gun deaths are rising in Wisconsin, but the people affected by it might surprise you. The narrative around gun violence is often limited to urban homicides, but the vast majority of deaths by guns are suicides. In fact, a new report from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel finds that suicides make up more than two-thirds of all deaths by guns in Wisconsin.

 

“Of 100 gun deaths that [occur] in Wisconsin, roughly 25 of those are homicides. And then there’s another one to 2% that are accidents or police involved shootings,”

 

 

[Investigative reporter John] Diedrich explains. “The idea that 71 out of 100 gun deaths in Wisconsin are suicides was an eye-opener to me and to our readers.”

 

Diedrich acknowledges that suicides are, in fact, a mental health issue, but he’s paraphrased as saying that when those issues arise, gun owners have a very deadly means to take their own life.

 

I don’t dispute that fact.

 

However, starting with that last point, if they already have the means to take their own life, what good would new gun control laws do?

 

https://bearingarms.com/tomknighton/2023/11/16/gun-death-lie-n77338

[B-Man]

 

 

Finally! Academic Sets Record Straight On Mass Shootings

By Tom Knighton 

 

Not a week goes by when I don’t encounter some article making claims about how mass shootings are happening at a rate that is nearly beyond comprehension.

 

According to places like the Gun Violence Archive, they’re happening at a rate of nearly two per day, and that’s more than enough to rattle your average voter.

 

What’s more, most people don’t really understand what the numbers mean. Even if they see the definition GVA uses, they don’t quite get what all is included in that total.

 

Yet a piece by a criminal justice professor–an academic–takes issue with this whole idea of lumping everything in together.

 

Current media portrayal of and public debate about gun violence are big on shock values but short on solutions. Broad definitions of mass shootings with no differentiation of types of shootings, victims, and circumstances, lumping gang violence, home invasions, armed robberies, familicides, and personal vengeance together with random public mass killings are not conducive to effective interventions.

 

Only incidents involving four or more shot and killed randomly during a singular event in a public place should be considered mass shootings to differentiate them from more common types of gun violence and allow the police and society to develop relevant and effective strategies tailored to specific types of incidents.

 

With this definition, there are usually a handful of mass shootings involving fewer than 80 murdered victims out of more than 15,000 total gun violence deaths in a given year.

 

There were 31 mass shootings from 2017 through 2021, about six per year (Marshall Project) and four in 2022 in Buffalo, New York; Uvalde, Texas; Tulsa, Oklahoma; and Highland Park, Illinois.

 

There were 74 mass shooting deaths among about 15,000 gun homicides in 2019 (CDC.gov and Wilson, 2021). From 1966 -2020, there were 420 mass shootings, 1449 deaths, which account for 27 deaths per year (Rockefeller Institute of Government).

 

 

 

 

The author, Allan Jiao offers up some specific recommendations for the various kinds of “gun violence” and unlike what we hear from many gun control advocates, they’re actually different recommendations.

 

That’s because mass shootings and more pedestrian forms of homicides aren’t remotely the same. They have different causes and motivations, which makes them very different.

 

For example, take a drive-by shooting that injures or even kills four or more people and compare it to a more traditional mass shooting with the same death toll.

Both are awful events–no one can dispute that, in my opinion–but one is the result of a series of actions that involve, at least in part, criminal organizations such as gangs. The other is what we’d term “random” because no one in particular is targeted, all injured or killed are just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

 

The drive-by could have been prevented through different anti-gang efforts, both by law enforcement or private organizations.

 

Mass shootings are different.

 

When you also lump in shootings where no one was killed, though, it just muddies the water.

 

Take the things we see suggested after a shooting like Lewiston, for example. Things like red flag laws and assault weapon bans look tempting to many after what Jiao terms as true mass shootings, but are they useful to inhibit gang activity? After all, most gang members aren’t obtaining their guns lawfully in the first place, now are they?

 

https://bearingarms.com/tomknighton/2023/11/20/record-mass-shootings-n77490

 

https://thefulcrum.us/reducing-gun-violence-requires-differentiation-of-mass-shootings

 

 

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[B-Man]

Oregon gun control Measure 114 permanently blocked by Harney County judge; state will appeal

 

https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2023/11/oregon-gun-control-measure-114-permanently-blocked-by-state-judge.html

 

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[Tommy Callahan]

 

[Tiberius]

The gunman who opened fire at Ohio Walmart this week, injuring four people, may have been at least partly inspired by violent, racist ideology, the FBI said Wednesday.

Benjamin Charles Jones, 20, killed himself after he opened fire with a carbine at the Walmart in Beavercreek about 8:30 p.m. Monday, authorities have said.

He wounded four people — a white man, a white woman and two Black women — the FBI said. All survived. Jones was white, the FBI said.

 

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ohio-walmart-shooter-may-inspired-racist-ideology-fbi-says-rcna126449?cid=eml_mrd_20231123

[Tommy Callahan]

Conner Sturgeon.

 

When one has a political goal of having guns banned......

 

Actual terrorism pushed under the rug by the gun grabbers that are happy to do exactly what the terrorist wanted.

 

 

[KDIGGZ]

Lots of good black Friday deals. Arm yourselves my fellow Americans. The founding fathers wanted you to. To not is to be anti-American!