What is better, no guns, or more guns?

[nedboy7]

5 hours ago, Irv said:

 You must not live in NY.  Go ahead.  Put your head back in the sand.

 

Enhancing New York’s Gun Laws in the Wake of Bruen

 

In the wake of the Court’s decision in Bruen, New York’s lawmakers were called back to Albany for a special session to pass new legislation clarifying and enhancing New York’s many public-safety-oriented protections for handgun licensing in a manner consistent with the Supreme Court’s decision. On July 1, 2022, Governor Hochul signed landmark legislation expanding restrictions on access to guns in the state. You can read the law here.

 

Sensitive Places: The new measures build on the constitutional carveout for protecting “sensitive places,” barring the carrying of firearms in specific public settings, such as: colleges and universities, hospitals, houses of worship, public transportation, including subways, places where alcohol is consumed, homeless shelters and other public residential facilities, entertainment venues, such as stadiums, theaters, casinos, and polling places, and places where children gather, such as schools, daycare centers, playgrounds, libraries parks and zoos.

 

New Eligibility Requirements: The new law adds requirements for New Yorkers applying for a concealed carry permit, including presenting a certificate of completion of a standardized firearm training and firing range training. Only applicants deemed to have “good moral character” and sufficient mental competence—a determination based on an in-person interview, a written exam and character references—will be eligible for a concealed carry permit. Applicants may be disqualified by past illicit behavior, including misdemeanor convictions for weapons possession and menacing (placing another person in fear of death or serious injury). Applicants who are denied a permit following this process may appeal.

 

Safe Storage, Background Checks and Body Armor: The new law also imposes new safe storage requirements, for example, prohibiting gun owners from leaving a firearm in a car unless stored in a lockbox with ammunition removed, and requiring safe gun ownership in a home where someone under 18 resides. Additionally, New York’s new law allows the State to conduct and exercise oversight over background checks for firearms, beyond those maintained by the FBI, which lack access to state- and local-owned databases. Finally, the law expands the scope of bullet-resistant protective equipment prohibited in New York, for example, the steel-plated vest worn by the shooter in the Buffalo, New York.

  

You forgot no guns at NRA rallies or GOP conversions bro. 

1 hour ago, BillStime said:

 

But did they take your gun away Irv?

 

 

 

he can’t have an honest discussion. He wants to be armed even during his colonoscopy cause the constitution talked about needing a well armed militia couple centuries ago. 

[BillStime]

1 minute ago, nedboy7 said:

You forgot no guns at NRA rallies or GOP conversions bro. 

 

But the NY Governor didn't take away Irv's gun - and yet he is STILL crying like a spoiled brat.

 

These law-abiding gun owners should be OUTRAGED that these bad apples are RUINING IT FOR EVERYONE. They SHOULD BE advocating for stricter rules that will have virtually little impact on the SPORT. That's what it is, right?  I mean, who NEEDS to carry an AR-15 to Wegmans? 

 

But no - these idiots and red state governors continue to advocate and do the EXACT opposite - make it even F'N easier for ANYONE to get a gun.

 

 

CLEARLY THERE ARE HOLES IN THE LAWS THAT WE HAVE IF THESE NUT JOBS CAN CONTINUE TO GET GUNS. AND IF THERE ARE NO HOLES LIKE THEY CLAIM - THEN TOO DAMN BAD - REGULATE THE F OUT OF THESE AR-15 TYPE WEAPONS.

 

You want to play GI Joe with AR-15?  Great - go to a secure location.

 

Meanwhile, these freaks are focused on banning books (the irony) and crying about drag queens.

 

jfc

 

 

 

 

[BillStime]

 

38 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

The easy thing to do right now would be to create a federal school force. All schools have bullet proof glass, doors alarmed and locked and only opened by security, cameras, alarms, armed security etc.  Do this so shooters know they can't get in and will be met with resistance immediately. Do this for as long as we see attempts at shootings stop.  

 

Yeah, more guns - that's the answer - MORE F'N GUNS. 

 

What's next?

 

Bullet proof school busses? 

 

Bullet proof playgrounds?

 

Bullet proof sporting facilities for football? LAX? Field hockey? Soccer? Tennis? Track? Cross Country?

 

Are we going to place every kid in a bubble?

 

OR ARE WE JUST GOING TO MAKE IT EXTREMELY HARD FOR SOMEONE TO GET A F'N GUN???

 

[nedboy7]

5 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

But the NY Governor didn't take away Irv's gun - and yet he is STILL crying like a spoiled brat.

 

These law-abiding gun owners should be OUTRAGED that these bad apples are RUINING IT FOR EVERYONE. They SHOULD BE advocating for stricter rules that will have virtually little impact on the SPORT. That's what it is, right?  I mean, who NEEDS to carry an AR-15 to Wegmans? 

 

But no - these idiots and red state governors continue to advocate and do the EXACT opposite - make it even F'N easier for ANYONE to get a gun.

 

 

CLEARLY THERE ARE HOLES IN THE LAWS THAT WE HAVE IF THESE NUT JOBS CAN CONTINUE TO GET GUNS. AND IF THERE ARE NO HOLES LIKE THEY CLAIM - THEN TOO DAMN BAD - REGULATE THE F OUT OF THESE AR-15 TYPE WEAPONS.

 

You want to play GI Joe with AR-15?  Great - go to a secure location.

 

Meanwhile, these freaks are focused on banning books (the irony) and crying about drag queens.

 

jfc

 

 

 

 

 

I am in the minority of liberal gun owners.  I live in a rural setting and feel it is wise to be armed where I live.  It was so ***** easy for me to buy a gun I cant imagine having an issue with it.  But the idiot at the store did get his pea brain in a wad cause the back ground check took 50 mins.  This in his eyes was the feds interfering in freedom.  Same store I heard morons talking about a civil war.  The gun culture is filled with really dense people.  There is no denying this. 

[Wacka]

6 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

the other… no guns mean no shooting ever again! Crazy people are societies fault and wouldn’t ever find alternatives to ways to do crazy things. No more guns ever !

 

Rand Paul's aide got seriously stabbed on the streets in DC in broad daylight the other day.  Where is the knife ban. No one needs anything sharper than a butter knife!

Edited March 29, 2023 by Wacka

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

So would banning transgenders from gun ownership be something everyone could agree to? 
 

Right dislike’s second amendment infringement but considering transgenderism typically to have associated mental disorder, so maybe ok with mental illness prohibiting gun ownership. 

 

Left dislikes physiological gender rigidity but likes incremental changes that lead to less gun proliferation and or possession and more oversight. 
 

a step in the right direction? 

Edited March 29, 2023 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[Andy1]

32 minutes ago, Wacka said:

Rand Paul's aide got seriously stabbed on the streets in DC in broad daylight the other day.  Where is the knife ban. No one needs anything sharper than a butter knife!

This reasoning ignores the probability of one dying due to the actions of another. Butter knifes are not used in mass killings. Knife laws are stupid and outdated. Why kill with a knife when anyone can get a gun? The discussion is about high powered assault weapons, where if you get shot, your probability of dying is much much greater than from other guns. They are designed for easy carrying and mass killing. 
 

We as a society need to decide if we are fine with losing our brothers, sisters, nieces and nephews to preserve the rights of assault weapon owners. Cops don’t want to face off a nut job with assault weapons either. You can’t harden everywhere. Psychos will find a crowd to kill. At minimum, there should be waiting periods and mental checks on buyers. Until then… thoughts and prayers and hope a nut doesn’t find you. 

[LeviF]

4 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

So would banning transgenders from gun ownership be something everyone could agree to? 
 

Right dislike’s second amendment infringement but considering transgenderism typically to have associated mental disorder, so maybe ok with mental illness prohibiting gun ownership. 

 

Left dislikes physiological gender rigidity but likes incremental changes that lead to less gun proliferation and or possession and more oversight. 
 

a step in the right direction? 

This post is funny because as firm as I am on gun rights I was just thinking today that if “red flag” laws were used to get guns out of the hands of people with mental illness, as average people define “mental illness,” that wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world. 
 

Of course, the problem is that bolsheviks have redefined mental illness to mean whatever they want, because their hooks and members are so deeply sunk into the various professional organizations that get to define mental illness for us plebs. It’s the same issue as anywhere else: pseudo-academics who were “educated” by ideologically insular institutions meddle with definitions so they can insert their politics into medicine. 

Edited March 30, 2023 by LeviF

[KDIGGZ]

35 minutes ago, LeviF said:

This post is funny because as firm as I am on gun rights I was just thinking today that if “red flag” laws were used to get guns out of the hands of people with mental illness, as average people define “mental illness,” that wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world. 
 

Of course, the problem is that bolsheviks have redefined mental illness to mean whatever they want, because their hooks and members are so deeply sunk into the various professional organizations that get to define mental illness for us plebs. It’s the same issue as anywhere else: pseudo-academics who were “educated” by ideologically insular institutions meddle with definitions so they can insert their politics into medicine. 

It's enticing to say take away the guns from the mentally disturbed (they/thems). But then they will change the rules on normal folks and say if you are taking X medication then you can't own a gun or if you attended a political rally then you are a domestic terrorist etc. That gives up too much power and it's a slippery slope.

 

Additionally, if you know they will take your guns you will be less likely to seek help for mental illness. And these people need all the help they can get!

Edited March 30, 2023 by KDIGGZ

[Joe Ferguson forever]

6 hours ago, KDIGGZ said:

It's enticing to say take away the guns from the mentally disturbed (they/thems). But then they will change the rules on normal folks and say if you are taking X medication then you can't own a gun or if you attended a political rally then you are a domestic terrorist etc. That gives up too much power and it's a slippery slope.

 

Additionally, if you know they will take your guns you will be less likely to seek help for mental illness. And these people need all the help they can get!

Are the lives of 9 yo kids worth compromises?

[Joe Ferguson forever]

12 hours ago, nedboy7 said:

 

I am in the minority of liberal gun owners.  I live in a rural setting and feel it is wise to be armed where I live.  It was so ***** easy for me to buy a gun I cant imagine having an issue with it.  But the idiot at the store did get his pea brain in a wad cause the back ground check took 50 mins.  This in his eyes was the feds interfering in freedom.  Same store I heard morons talking about a civil war.  The gun culture is filled with really dense people.  There is no denying this. 

the difference is that you and I see our guns as tools.   Many others see them as toys or worse, offensive weapons.  Ya know, the guys who laugh when their kid or wife gets knocked over and bruised by recoil.  It's true, it's not the gun but the person holding it.  However,  many holding it have very bad intentions or are fools.  So we either figure out who they are and stop them from getting them or this continues.  Maybe we can start with the verifiably insane.

Edited March 30, 2023 by redtail hawk

[Irv]

15 hours ago, BillStime said:

 

But did they take your gun away Irv?

 

 

 

That’s what’s being proposed.  You’ve heard dopey Biden say it a hundred times.  

[BillStime]

Just now, Irv said:

That’s what’s being proposed.  You’ve heard dopey Biden say it a hundred times.  

Oh so the Governor didn’t take your gun away.

 

Cry harder 

[Irv]

6 minutes ago, BillStime said:

Oh so the Governor didn’t take your gun away.

 

Cry harder 

When did I say my guns were taken away?  Quit changing the subject when I face you.  Tired of dropping the mic on your sloppy ass.  This is too easy.  Shoulder getting sore.  

[KDIGGZ]

59 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

Are the lives of 9 yo kids worth compromises?

I own lots of guns and have never shot someone and hopefully will never. I also own lots of hammers and have never hit someone with one. A gun is a tool, it only does what you want it to do

[BillStime]

8 minutes ago, Irv said:

When did I say my guns were taken away?  Quit changing the subject when I face you.  Tired of dropping the mic on your sloppy ass.  This is too easy.  Shoulder getting sore.  

Still whining 

 

17 minutes ago, Irv said:

That’s what’s being proposed.  You’ve heard dopey Biden say it a hundred times.  

What a mess 

 

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

2 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:

I own lots of guns and have never shot someone and hopefully will never. I also own lots of hammers and have never hit someone with one. A gun is a tool, it only does what you want it to do

Were 3 9 yo's killed by an insane person with a gun this week?

Edited March 30, 2023 by redtail hawk

[Irv]

1 minute ago, BillStime said:

Still whining 

 

What a mess 

 

 

You’ve got nothing left.  Face.  
 

[KDIGGZ]

1 minute ago, redtail hawk said:

Were 3 9 yo's killed by an insane person with a gun this week?

Yes we need to get insane people off the streets. I agree.

 

These people think they are multiple genders at the same time and the government and mainstream media wants us to think this is normal behavior. It's sad, these people need help

[Joe Ferguson forever]

Just now, KDIGGZ said:

Yes we need to get insane people off the streets. I agree.

 

These people think they are multiple genders at the same time and the government and mainstream media wants us to think this is normal behavior. It's sad, these people need help

so only trans people are insane?

[Irv]

14 hours ago, nedboy7 said:

You forgot no guns at NRA rallies or GOP conversions bro. 

he can’t have an honest discussion. He wants to be armed even during his colonoscopy cause the constitution talked about needing a well armed militia couple centuries ago. 

Why stop with the second amendment?  Back then there was the Town Crier and the printing press.  Everybody went to church.  Times have changed.  Nobody goes to church and we have the internet.  We don’t need the first amendment.   This is how demented losers like you think.  What a mess.  
 

 

7 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

so only trans people are insane?

No. They identify as sane.  So they’re sane.  What a mess.  

 

 

Edited March 30, 2023 by Irv

[Joe Ferguson forever]

3 minutes ago, Irv said:

This is how demented losers like you think.  What a mess.  

It's much better than not thinking at all...

[Tommy Callahan]

9 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

so only trans people are insane?

Silly strawman.

 

but prior to 2012, yes. that was considered insane/mental disorder.

 

https://nicic.gov/weblink/being-transgender-no-longer-mental-disorder-apa-2012#:~:text=The American Psychiatric Association has,changes announced this past weekend.

 

But then again, 1-8 people have some mental health issue.

 

https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/mental-disorders

 

that's an interesting topic but where is said line.  

 

 

 

 

Edited March 30, 2023 by Chris farley

[Joe Ferguson forever]

1 minute ago, Chris farley said:

But then again, 1-8 people have some mental health issue.

uh huh...

[Irv]

3 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

It's much better than not thinking at all...

You didn’t think too hard when you created your screen name.  It’s “Red-tailed Hawk” not redtail hawk.  You’re hilarious.  This is too easy.  What a mess.  
 

 

Edited March 30, 2023 by Irv

[Joe Ferguson forever]

8 hours ago, LeviF said:

Of course, the problem is that bolsheviks have redefined mental illness to mean whatever they want, because their hooks and members are so deeply sunk into the various professional organizations that get to define mental illness for us plebs. It’s the same issue as anywhere else: pseudo-academics who were “educated” by ideologically insular institutions meddle with definitions so they can insert their politics into medicine.

The R party left physicians, then physicians left the party.  Not the other way around.  We don't identify with Nazi's

https://www.wsj.com/articles/doctors-once-gop-stalwarts-now-more-likely-to-be-democrats-11570383523

But yes, when we are out golfing, Bolshevism is a frequent topic of discussion, at least in my regular group😂

Got a 11 am tee time today.  I'll be sure to bring it up on the 1st tee. If not today, I'm sure we'll discuss Sunday.

Edited March 30, 2023 by redtail hawk

[KDIGGZ]

13 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

so only trans people are insane?

No but that's the one they decided to normalize so these people think it's ok to do pretend they are a boy one day and a girl the next and then they don't seek the help they need. If you try and help these people they will say you are transphobic and you will be cancelled and fired from your job.

 

These people are having serious mental breakdowns and the world is just like leave them alone they are fine it's ok to be whatever you want.

 

What's next? Pedophiles are ok because love is love? Schizophrenia is ok because personalities are fluid? Yikes 

[Tommy Callahan]

8 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

uh huh...

So is say, SSRI and depression/anxiety enough to keep one from ownership?

Whats the line if heading down that road.

 

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

1 minute ago, KDIGGZ said:

No but that's the one they decided to normalize so these people think it's ok to do pretend they are a boy one day and a girl the next and then they don't seek the help they need. If you try and help these people they will say you are transphobic and you will be cancelled and fired from your job.

 

These people are having serious mental breakdowns and the world is just like leave them alone they are fine it's ok to be whatever you want.

 

What's next? Pedophiles are ok because love is love? Schizophrenia is ok because personalities are fluid? Yikes 

Nope.  none of that.  As I said before, crazy is crazy.  Doesn't matter your race, sex, religion etc.

[Joe Ferguson forever]

11 minutes ago, Chris farley said:

So is say, SSRI and depression/anxiety enough to keep one from ownership?

Whats the line if heading down that road.

 

 

I think we start with a national red flag law for those considered a danger to themselves or others by a judge after mandatory referral from an appropriate medical specialist...but the MAGA's won't like it cuz the majority of doctors have left their party...

Edited March 30, 2023 by redtail hawk

[Tommy Callahan]

1 minute ago, redtail hawk said:

I think we start with a national red flag law for those considered a danger to themselves or others by a judge after mandatory referral from an appropriate medical specialist.

ITs something that seems like it would make a difference.  I have to ask, what the mandatory trigger would be?  

 

I know the NY red flag laws work to remove the guns, but don't work when the person is found innocent (or the family court is settled) and want their possessions back.  as the judges and DA's are very hesitant to put their name on the form due to liability.  

 

 

 

 

[BillStime]

38 minutes ago, Irv said:

You’ve got nothing left.  Face.  
 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

Just now, Chris farley said:

ITs something that seems like it would make a difference.  I have to ask, what the mandatory trigger would be?  

 

I know the NY red flag laws work to remove the guns, but don't work when the person is found innocent (or the family court is settled) and want their possessions back.  as the judges and DA's are very hesitant to put their name on the form due to liability.  

 

 

 

 

Mandatory, in that the medical person can have an ethics complaint filed for not doing so and be reported to the licensing board.

[Tommy Callahan]

Just now, redtail hawk said:

Mandatory, in that the medical person can have an ethics complaint filed for not doing so and be reported to the licensing board.

But what is the trigger that makes them report?  the person saying, they have anxiety and get SSRI?  that's what I mean by the trigger. 

 

Or more like when crisis services is called by the police or hospital? and that triggers the red flag?

 

what would be the trigger?  Would the girl getting gender treatment trigger the mandatory report?  the guy with PTSD?  

 

 

 

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

2 minutes ago, Chris farley said:

But what is the trigger that makes them report?  the person saying, they have anxiety and get SSRI?  that's what I mean by the trigger. 

 

Or more like when crisis services is called by the police or hospital? and that triggers the red flag?

 

what would be the trigger?  Would the girl getting gender treatment trigger the mandatory report?  the guy with PTSD?  

 

 

 

 

What about danger to self or other do you not understand?  go back and read the AMA ethics statement on this that I cited.

[ArdmoreRyno]

56 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

Were 3 9 yo's killed by an insane person with a gun this week?

 

I'd venture out to say yes, or around that age. Here's one:

 

https://abc3340.com/news/local/child-dead-man-hospitalized-in-morgan-county-stabbing-hartseelle-village-drive-knife-violence

[BillStime]

 

[Tommy Callahan]

So only if the person says they are thinking of hurting themselves or others. thats it.

 

wonder if that would stop people from seeking help.

 

Especially when even the advocates cant state what the trigger is.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 30, 2023 by Chris farley

[ArdmoreRyno]

14 hours ago, BillStime said:

 

 

Yeah, more guns - that's the answer - MORE F'N GUNS. 

 

What's next?

 

Bullet proof school busses? 

 

Bullet proof playgrounds?

 

Bullet proof sporting facilities for football? LAX? Field hockey? Soccer? Tennis? Track? Cross Country?

 

Are we going to place every kid in a bubble?

 

OR ARE WE JUST GOING TO MAKE IT EXTREMELY HARD FOR SOMEONE TO GET A F'N GUN???

 

 

Any time someone hires a new LEO that's "MORE F'N GUNS!"?

 

 

1 minute ago, Chris farley said:

So only if the person says they are thinking of hurting themselves or others. thats it.

 

wonder if that would stop people from seeking help.

 

Especially when even the advocates cant state what the trigger is.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'd say yes. We have to report someone under those circumstances along with someone hurting them. People often don't seek out counseling or help due to the fact we must report (mandatory reporter) as a health professional. 

[Tommy Callahan]

15 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

What about danger to self or other do you not understand?  go back and read the AMA ethics statement on this that I cited.

“a serious threat of physical violence against a reasonably identifiable victim” to a psychotherapist, that psychotherapist is required to take steps to protect the intended victim"  So only people with a psychotherapist that makes a direct threat to a actual victim.  

 

doesn't seem like it would impact much at all. did the crazy person in Tenn tell their psychotherapist they were going to shoot up the school?