What is better, no guns, or more guns?

[Tommy Callahan]

3 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

https://www.fbi.gov/about/faqs/does-the-fbi-investigate-hate-groups-in-the-united-states

HATE groups are not militia.  My comment said the I agree with hate group. its implying thats more than 10 old dudes on a message board is the funny part.  

 

 

6 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

https://www.fbi.gov/about/faqs/does-the-fbi-investigate-hate-groups-in-the-united-states

"Investigations are conducted only when a threat or advocacy of force is made; when the group has the apparent ability to carry out the proclaimed act; and when the act would constitute a potential violation of federal law."

 

You all ok with this cuz I sure am.

you and comprehension. 

 

its intentional. is retirement that boring you just say anything for replies?  

 

 

 

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

14 minutes ago, Chris farley said:

HATE groups are not militia.  My comment said the I agree with hate group. its implying thats more than 10 old dudes on a message board is the funny part.  

 

 

you and comprehension. 

 

its intentional. is retirement that boring you just say anything for replies?  

 

 

 

 

it's raining today.  played fairly well yesterday tho.  couple OB duck hooks killed my score.  good thing we were playing skins.  oh and trump has been indicted.

 

So how many of these militia "field days" do you imagine occur nationally.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/citizen-militias-in-the-u-s-are-moving-toward-more-violent-extremism/

"No one really knows how many civilian militia groups exist because they repeatedly form, splinter into separate units and dissolve, as members’ interests wax and wane. Typical units have no more than 20 or so members who consistently attend events, but some have only two people, and others have more than 200. In addition to the heavy skew toward white males—at least 90 percent in most groups—most participants are in their late 20s or early 30s, although I have known of members as young as 18 and as old as 70. There are a few women who fully participate in militias, and because of their activity they tend to be well respected and rise to leadership roles. (Jessica Watkins, a leader of an Ohio militia who was arrested for her participation in the Capitol riot, is one example.) Still, most militia units have a culture suffused with casual misogyny"

 

any of this sound familiar?

"Across this spectrum, however, militia groups share certain similarities. Their members are almost exclusively white men, and they espouse values of nationalism as well as yearnings to restore “better times” from this country’s past. I and other sociologists refer to them as nostalgic groups. Their values are often entwined with racist and sexist attitudes, in part because they deny or disregard the hostility directed at minority groups and women during that idealized history. A metaphor I like to use to explain the connection across these groups is that it is like having multiple trees on the same small plot of land. They are separate entities, but their roots grow in the same soil. Their branches intermingle when the wind blows just right, occasionally getting close enough so that you cannot tell where one tree stops and another begins."

Edited March 31, 2023 by redtail hawk

[Tiberius]

14 minutes ago, Commsvet11 said:

When you suggest something won’t save lives it is.

 
See if you were smarter you would know there is a manifesto that already describes those things I mentioned, it was written by Karl Marx.

It will though, you just don't care. 

 

You like these weapons because they make you feel intimidating? 

[Commsvet11]

4 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

It will though, you just don't care. 

 

You like these weapons because they make you feel intimidating? 

Explain how banning AR 15 will save lives. If you could you already would have. 

[Warcodered]

36 minutes ago, Chris farley said:

Thats what it results in.

 

Abolition of Property in Land and Application of all Rents of Land to Public Purpose.

A Heavy Progressive or Graduated Income Tax.

Abolition of All Rights of Inheritance.

Confiscation of the Property of All Emigrants and Rebels.

Centralization of Credit in the Hands of the State, by Means of a National Bank with State Capital and an Exclusive Monopoly.

Centralization of the Means of Communication and Transport in the Hands of the State.

Extension of Factories and Instruments of Production Owned by the State, the Bringing Into Cultivation of Waste Lands, and the Improvement of the Soil Generally in Accordance with a Common Plan.

Equal Liability of All to Labor. Establishment of Industrial Armies, Especially for Agriculture.

Combination of Agriculture with Manufacturing Industries; Gradual Abolition of the Distinction Between Town and Country by a More Equable Distribution of the Population over the Country.

Free Education for All Children in Public Schools. Abolition of Children's Factory Labor in it's Present Form. Combination of Education with Industrial Production

 

And the best part, Re education camps for people that dont agree.

 

Every time. Millions die. every time.

 

 

"This political group did something I didn't like and treated a politician I like in a way I think is unfair, therefore they must actually want to turn this country into Communist Hellscape."

 

.....well that escalated quickly.

[Tommy Callahan]

23 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

it's raining today.  played fairly well yesterday tho.  couple OB duck hooks killed my score.  good thing we were playing skins.  oh and trump has been indicted.

 

So how many of these militia "field days" do you imagine occur nationally.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/citizen-militias-in-the-u-s-are-moving-toward-more-violent-extremism/

"No one really knows how many civilian militia groups exist because they repeatedly form, splinter into separate units and dissolve, as members’ interests wax and wane. Typical units have no more than 20 or so members who consistently attend events, but some have only two people, and others have more than 200. In addition to the heavy skew toward white males—at least 90 percent in most groups—most participants are in their late 20s or early 30s, although I have known of members as young as 18 and as old as 70. There are a few women who fully participate in militias, and because of their activity they tend to be well respected and rise to leadership roles. (Jessica Watkins, a leader of an Ohio militia who was arrested for her participation in the Capitol riot, is one example.) Still, most militia units have a culture suffused with casual misogyny"

 

any of this sound familiar?

"Across this spectrum, however, militia groups share certain similarities. Their members are almost exclusively white men, and they espouse values of nationalism as well as yearnings to restore “better times” from this country’s past. I and other sociologists refer to them as nostalgic groups. Their values are often entwined with racist and sexist attitudes, in part because they deny or disregard the hostility directed at minority groups and women during that idealized history. A metaphor I like to use to explain the connection across these groups is that it is like having multiple trees on the same small plot of land. They are separate entities, but their roots grow in the same soil. Their branches intermingle when the wind blows just right, occasionally getting close enough so that you cannot tell where one tree stops and another begins."

Members of erie county militia worked their ars off in the blizard.

 

mention the cajun navy?

 

Sounds like the same narrative you and yours been puking for years.  

 

DEMONIZE the others.. 

 

 

 

 

[Tiberius]

13 minutes ago, Commsvet11 said:

Explain how banning AR 15 will save lives. If you could you already would have. 

It's self evident 

 

So answering you would be stupid. 

 

Are there too many gun laws already? 

[Tommy Callahan]

4 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

It's self evident 

 

So answering you would be stupid. 

 

Are there too many gun laws already? 

LOL, so NO after all that you have nothing. 

 

do we use the laws we have now?  

 

[Commsvet11]

1 minute ago, Tiberius said:

It's self evident 

 

So answering you would be stupid. 

 

Are there too many gun laws already? 

I love this!

 

Tibs: We need to Ban AR-15 to save lives 

Comms: How is banning AR15 going to save lives 

Tibs: They just will

Comms: Explain how 

Tibs: Well the answer is self evident so it’s stupid to answer

Fine. Pretend I’m stupid, explain it to me as you would a child. How would banning the AR15 save lives? 

[Tiberius]

Just now, Commsvet11 said:

I love this!

 

Tibs: We need to Ban AR-15 to save lives 

Comms: How is banning AR15 going to save lives 

Tibs: They just will

Comms: Explain how 

Tibs: Well the answer is self evident so it’s stupid to answer

Fine. Pretend I’m stupid, explain it to me as you would a child. How would banning the AR15 save lives? 

No thanks. We need to ban those guns though

 

The time is coming. The rising Democratic majority will do this sooner or later 

4 minutes ago, Chris farley said:

LOL, so NO after all that you have nothing. 

 

do we use the laws we have now?  

 

I have the power of the people behind me. These guns will be banned. You will lose and then you will move on to something else that is stupid to defend. 

[ArdmoreRyno]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

To save lives 

 

Drugs: 109,000

Alcohol: 104,000

Automobile:  37,500

Handguns: 63,00

Blunt Objects: 1,600

Knives: 1,500

Boats: 660

Fists/Hands: 600

Airplanes: 380 

AR-15/All Rifles: 360

Shotguns: 200

Deer: 120

Dogs: 60

 

Ban the AR-15. Save lives. 

[Tommy Callahan]

8 minutes ago, Commsvet11 said:

I love this!

 

Tibs: We need to Ban AR-15 to save lives 

Comms: How is banning AR15 going to save lives 

Tibs: They just will

Comms: Explain how 

Tibs: Well the answer is self evident so it’s stupid to answer

Fine. Pretend I’m stupid, explain it to me as you would a child. How would banning the AR15 save lives? 

Same script every time. 

 

in Blackhat they have instructions and ways to buy or build comment profiles. but last I knew it was only twiter, Disquord, and other big social media sites. maybe.

 

 

[Tiberius]

4 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

Drugs: 109,000

Alcohol: 104,000

Automobile:  37,500

Handguns: 63,00

Blunt Objects: 1,600

Knives: 1,500

Boats: 660

Fists/Hands: 600

Airplanes: 380 

AR-15/All Rifles: 360

Shotguns: 200

Deer: 120

Dogs: 60

 

Ban the AR-15. Save lives. 

Non-sequester. Saying other things are bad, too, doesn't mean a solution to this is wrong

 

Your numbers do not count the untold number traumatized by these weapons. They are a public health problem. Look at all the schools closed this week from fear of these murderous weapons. 

 

Can't wait to throw a party when these things are banned 

[Commsvet11]

8 minutes ago, Chris farley said:

Same script every time. 

 

in Blackhat they have instructions and ways to buy or build comment profiles. but last I knew it was only twiter, Disquord, and other big social media sites. maybe.

 

 

Actually I don’t believe this is trolling. That poster has been on here for sometime. That poster is the example for what a liberal is.

[AlBUNDY4TDS]

I think before introducing new laws we should try to enforce the laws we have. Most of these situations could've been avoided if we didn't ignore the numerous red flags most of these types of people present well ahead of shooting some place up. But yeah more gun laws.

[Tiberius]

6 minutes ago, Commsvet11 said:

Actually I don’t believe this is trolling. That poster has been on here for sometime. That poster is the example for what a liberal is.

Yup, educated, intelligent, yet chatting with dog sh it like you. Go figure 

Just now, AlBUNDY4TDS said:

I think before introducing new laws we should try to enforce the laws we have. Most of these situations could've been avoided if we didn't ignore the numerous red flags most of these types of people present well ahead of shooting some place up. But yeah more gun laws.

What laws? 

[Tommy Callahan]

5 minutes ago, Commsvet11 said:

Actually I don’t believe this is trolling. That poster has been on here for sometime. That poster is the example for what a liberal is.

I have some friends that are Correctional Officers. it's an open secret prisoners can get anything in prison they can get in the streets. its also an open secret that the guards turn ignore the Cell phones as it keeps the inmates occupied.  guessing people like that just make any kind of comment to get human interaction or make the day move.

 

 

[ArdmoreRyno]

5 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Non-sequester. Saying other things are bad, too, doesn't mean a solution to this is wrong

 

Your numbers do not count the untold number traumatized by these weapons. They are a public health problem. Look at all the schools closed this week from fear of these murderous weapons. 

 

Can't wait to throw a party when these things are banned 

 

So, it's not the number of people killed... it's also people being "traumatized" by AR-15's? 

Hold on a second... 

 

Okay... I didn't know schools closed this week because they are "scared of the AR-15". You sure schools (whatever schools you're talking about, no idea) aren't scared of a someone with any gun? Just the AR-15. Right? 

[SoCal Deek]

17 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

Drugs: 109,000

Alcohol: 104,000

Automobile:  37,500

Handguns: 63,00

Blunt Objects: 1,600

Knives: 1,500

Boats: 660

Fists/Hands: 600

Airplanes: 380 

AR-15/All Rifles: 360

Shotguns: 200

Deer: 120

Dogs: 60

 

Ban the AR-15. Save lives. 

Are these stats actually true? If so, banning these weapons is the very definition of a poster child for a political talking point. 

[Tiberius]

1 minute ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

So, it's not the number of people killed... it's also people being "traumatized" by AR-15's? 

Hold on a second... 

 

Okay... I didn't know schools closed this week because they are "scared of the AR-15". You sure schools (whatever schools you're talking about, no idea) aren't scared of a someone with any gun? Just the AR-15. Right? 

Can't be both??? 

[Tommy Callahan]

18 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

Drugs: 109,000

Alcohol: 104,000

Automobile:  37,500

Handguns: 63,00

Blunt Objects: 1,600

Knives: 1,500

Boats: 660

Fists/Hands: 600

Airplanes: 380 

AR-15/All Rifles: 360

Shotguns: 200

Deer: 120

Dogs: 60

 

Ban the AR-15. Save lives. 

Automobile is high. its like ones child has more odds of being hurt or killed on the ride to or home from school than by a rifle.

 

But I can still buy a car that goes twice the speed limit, and these new eclectics have massive torque.  crazy.

 

And Deer on the list?  WTF  kind of deer are in them woods.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Are these stats actually true? If so, banning these weapons is the very definition of a poster child for a political talking point. 

if they are not 2022, they are in the last few years.

 

 

[nedboy7]

2 hours ago, LeviF said:

The difficulty of this actually serves their purpose. 
 

Leftists despise local law enforcement, especially sheriffs, as they represent the only remaining wielders of sanctioned violence that are completely outside of the purview of the regime. Sheriffs in many states have already defied federal agencies and even state legislatures in the gun grabbing efforts. You can imagine that many sheriffs would ignore any confiscation order not only for the safety of their deputies but also on principle. 
 

Ever notice how the calls to “defund” or “abolish” the police never seem to extend to, say, the FBI? If the left got their way there would be forcible confiscation of guns by a massive federal law enforcement agency that would engage with gun owners much the same way the FBI and ATF engaged with David Koresh and Randy Weaver. Leftists would squeal with glee as formerly law abiding people who ignored an order shouted by megaphone got their houses lit up. And all this is fine because so long as the law enforcement agency is beholden only to the regime, they can murder and entrap with impunity as they receive top cover from the White House, judiciary, and fourth estate. 

Just an amazing take on reality. 

[ArdmoreRyno]

2 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Can't be both??? 

 

Show me any example where a school closed because of "fear of the AR-15". 

 

I've asked COUNTLESS kids the question, "Do you ever worry someone might come into the school and shoot?" 

 

I've NEVER got a yes. Ever. Now my youngest said she was worried about a guy, who ended up getting kicked out of school, about 4 years ago at her HS. But no kid has ever told me they are scared of a school shooter. Would be like asking us if we were worried the Russians and nukes after we did a nuclear bomb drill. Or if we are scared of a tornado. 

 

(WAY more likely to die in a tornado hitting our school than someone coming in and shooting it up)

[Commsvet11]

6 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Can't be both??? 

Ah yes the educated and intelligent on full display here 

[ArdmoreRyno]

7 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Are these stats actually true? If so, banning these weapons is the very definition of a poster child for a political talking point. 

 

100% accurate. These are total deaths (all ages) by something other than things like "falling" (which claims the lives of 32,000 Americans per year). 

[Tommy Callahan]

3 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

Just an amazing take on reality. 

he did summarize it pretty well and has a way with words.

 

 

 

 

[ArdmoreRyno]

6 minutes ago, Chris farley said:

Automobile is high. its like ones child has more odds of being hurt or killed on the ride to or home from school than by a rifle.

 

But I can still buy a car that goes twice the speed limit, and these new eclectics have massive torque.  crazy.

 

And Deer on the list?  WTF  kind of deer are in them woods.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Guess we can actually add that to the automobile deaths... since those are accidents/deaths caused by deer. 

[BillStime]

1 hour ago, LeviF said:

Bolsheviks push porn and sex shows on kid. Nazis ban them. Get it straight. 

 

Oh, is that what Chris Rufo told you? Or are you going to run to TIKTOK to prove me wrong? 

 

Meanwhile - your cult is:

• Forcing TEN YEAR OLDS TO DELIVER BABIES.
• Making it EASIER to SLAUGHTER KIDS at school.
• Passing laws to enable CHILD labor.
• Making the case for CHILD marriage.

Get it STRAIGHT comrade.

 

jfc

 

 

 

 

[Tiberius]

40 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

Show me any example where a school closed because of "fear of the AR-15". 

 

I've asked COUNTLESS kids the question, "Do you ever worry someone might come into the school and shoot?" 

 

I've NEVER got a yes. Ever. Now my youngest said she was worried about a guy, who ended up getting kicked out of school, about 4 years ago at her HS. But no kid has ever told me they are scared of a school shooter. Would be like asking us if we were worried the Russians and nukes after we did a nuclear bomb drill. Or if we are scared of a tornado. 

 

(WAY more likely to die in a tornado hitting our school than someone coming in and shooting it up)

Like this? 

https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nys/capital-region/public-safety/2023/03/30/capital-region-school-shooting-threats

[Joe Ferguson forever]

44 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

Show me any example where a school closed because of "fear of the AR-15". 

 

I've asked COUNTLESS kids the question, "Do you ever worry someone might come into the school and shoot?" 

 

I've NEVER got a yes. Ever. Now my youngest said she was worried about a guy, who ended up getting kicked out of school, about 4 years ago at her HS. But no kid has ever told me they are scared of a school shooter. Would be like asking us if we were worried the Russians and nukes after we did a nuclear bomb drill. Or if we are scared of a tornado. 

 

(WAY more likely to die in a tornado hitting our school than someone coming in and shooting it up)

yup.  we all totally believe you...

[ArdmoreRyno]

5 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Like this? 

https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nys/capital-region/public-safety/2023/03/30/capital-region-school-shooting-threats

 

Just read the whole article. Maybe the link you posted, that version doesn't have the "AR-15" included... maybe I just can't see it. Could you point out to where it says these schools were on lockdown due to the AR-15? 

 

Thanks for any help

2 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

yup.  we all totally believe you...

 

Funny, I don't care what you believe 👍

[Joe Ferguson forever]

1 minute ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

Funny, I don't care what you believe 👍

or what is true...

[Joe Ferguson forever]

1 hour ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

Show me any example where a school closed because of "fear of the AR-15". 

 

I've asked COUNTLESS kids the question, "Do you ever worry someone might come into the school and shoot?" 

 

I've NEVER got a yes. Ever. Now my youngest said she was worried about a guy, who ended up getting kicked out of school, about 4 years ago at her HS. But no kid has ever told me they are scared of a school shooter. Would be like asking us if we were worried the Russians and nukes after we did a nuclear bomb drill. Or if we are scared of a tornado. 

 

(WAY more likely to die in a tornado hitting our school than someone coming in and shooting it up)

https://www.courthousenews.com/poll-shows-most-american-students-fear-school-shootings/

 

So were you "practicing" in a school in 2018?  Do you think these numbers have gotten better or worse since then?  Perhaps you live in an area where fear and anxiety in children are totally absent?

 

The Pew study also found large disparities between respondents when accounting for race, family income and the party affiliation of parents. The report is based on interviews with 743 teens and more than 1,000 parents over the past month.

For example, the fear of school shootings is particularly pronounced for students of color. Nearly three-quarters of Hispanic students say they are at least somewhat worried about a shooting, compared to about half of white students saying the same.

Edited March 31, 2023 by redtail hawk

[ArdmoreRyno]

7 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

or what is true...

 

Which is? I interact with HUNDREDS of kids a day at a high school. I've asked TONS of kids that question... especially after something like what happened in Nashville. Those questions are mainly focused around how we can make our school safer. What's interesting, only teachers/staff feel "unsafe" at times. Again, never a student in regards to a school shooter possibly happening. They simply don't worry. Maybe it our culture in Oklahoma? We aren't afraid of tornadoes either, despite the fact we are in the middle of Tornado Alley. 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

7 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

Which is? I interact with HUNDREDS of kids a day at a high school. I've asked TONS of kids that question... especially after something like what happened in Nashville. Those questions are mainly focused around how we can make our school safer. What's interesting, only teachers/staff feel "unsafe" at times. Again, never a student in regards to a school shooter possibly happening. They simply don't worry. Maybe it our culture in Oklahoma? We aren't afraid of tornadoes either, despite the fact we are in the middle of Tornado Alley. 

your area is a real outlier .  you should publish your findings and hypothesize why.

https://www.courthousenews.com/poll-shows-most-american-students-fear-school-shootings/

 

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/04/18/a-majority-of-u-s-teens-fear-a-shooting-could-happen-at-their-school-and-most-parents-share-their-concern/

 

guess you missed this journal issue:  https://www.apa.org/monitor/2022/09/news-mass-shootings-collective-traumas

 

how can you be unaware of this and be competent in your work?

Edited March 31, 2023 by redtail hawk

[ArdmoreRyno]

3 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

your area is a real outlier .  you should publish your findings and hypothesize why.

https://www.courthousenews.com/poll-shows-most-american-students-fear-school-shootings/

 

I'll fit that in with two jobs (I see my patients between 3:30 and 7 p.m. after I finish at the high school), driving 40 mins to and from work and spending time with my fiancée. 

 

It's actually not a bad idea if I want to work on my Ph.D. someday. 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

7 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

I'll fit that in with two jobs (I see my patients between 3:30 and 7 p.m. after I finish at the high school), driving 40 mins to and from work and spending time with my fiancée. 

 

It's actually not a bad idea if I want to work on my Ph.D. someday. 

maybe if you were good at the first job (or really had it), you wouldn't need a second job

 

Also if you do write it up, you should enlist the help of a statistician to calculate the odds of not finding a condition in hundreds of subjects that have an overall prevalence of that condition of over 50%.  It's got to be astronomical!!  Remarkable.  or absolute BS

Edited March 31, 2023 by redtail hawk

[BillStime]

35 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

yup.  we all totally believe you...

 

Not biased AT all - lmao

[Joe Ferguson forever]

Just now, BillStime said:

 

Not biased AT all - lmao

he'd have a better chance of winning the lottery than never meeting a high school student fearful of a mass shooting if he really works as school therapist or counselor.

[Tiberius]

 

The following is a partial list of when an AR-15-style weapon was used in a mass shooting:

Feb. 14, 2018: Shooting at Stoneman Douglas High School shooting in Florida leaves 17 people dead.

Oct. 1, 2017: The Las Vegas slaughter of 58 people.

Nov. 5, 2017: The Sutherland Springs, Texas, church shooting that claimed 26 lives.

June 12, 2016: The Pulse nightclub shooting in Orlando, Fla., that left 49 dead.

Dec. 2, 2015: The San Bernardino, Calif., shooting that killed 14 people.

Dec. 14, 2012: The shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Connecticut that took 27 lives.

43 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

Just read the whole article. Maybe the link you posted, that version doesn't have the "AR-15" included... maybe I just can't see it. Could you point out to where it says these schools were on lockdown due to the AR-15? 

 

Thanks for any help

 

Funny, I don't care what you believe 👍

It was ar-15's. the weapon of choice in mass shooting. 

 

Damn, can't wait to see this thing banned again 

 

 

 

For his 2016 book “Rampage Nation,” Klarevas collected data on every gun massacre — which he defines as six or more people shot and killed — for the 50 years before 2016. His aim was to see whether there was any change in the number of gun massacres while the 10-year federal ban on assault weapons was in place.

He calls the results “staggering.” Compared with the 10-year period before the ban, the number of gun massacres during the ban period fell by 37 percent, and the number of people dying from gun massacres fell by 43 percent. But after the ban lapsed in 2004, the numbers shot up again — an astonishing 183 percent increase in massacres and a 239 percent increase in massacre deaths.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/02/15/its-time-to-bring-back-the-assault-weapons-ban-gun-violence-experts-say/