BillStime Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 4 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said: I love a nice cold running brook. Geez dude, not for that. BTW: No gun type is mentioned in the 2A... "Arms". You're just playing dumb right now. Oh you got me and that typo bro - #winning 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 Go Chris go - it's a start. Shame he is losing his seat because of MAGA freaks. Rep. Chris Jacobs proposes requiring licenses for buyers of semiautomatic rifles I'd prefer a ban but this is a start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 All by design Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 On 9/19/2022 at 7:56 AM, BillStime said: Go Chris go - it's a start. Shame he is losing his seat because of MAGA freaks. Rep. Chris Jacobs proposes requiring licenses for buyers of semiautomatic rifles I'd prefer a ban but this is a start. So I need clarification. You are for an outright ban of all personally owned firearms? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 14 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: So I need clarification. You are for an outright ban of all personally owned firearms? Nope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 2 hours ago, BillStime said: Nope Then what did you mean when you said “ban guns”? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 40 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Then what did you mean when you said “ban guns”? C'mon Jim - you responded to my comment containing a Tweet regarding a bill from Jacobs ... can you not figure it out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 1 minute ago, BillStime said: C'mon Jim - you responded to my comment containing a Tweet regarding a bill from Jacobs ... can you not figure it out? I'm sorry I don't care about tweets from other people. I'm asking you. So what guns are you talking about banning and why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 8 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: I'm sorry I don't care about tweets from other people. I'm asking you. So what guns are you talking about banning and why? Well, you're on own - we have numerous discussions about this. Have fun your rabbit hole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 Just now, BillStime said: Well, you're on own - we have numerous discussions about this. Have fun your rabbit hole. No rabbit hole. I just want to know so we can debate what you want vs what I want. Sooooooo.....What guns do you want to ban and why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdmoreRyno Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 14 hours ago, Chef Jim said: No rabbit hole. I just want to know so we can debate what you want vs what I want. Sooooooo.....What guns do you want to ban and why. You'll never get a straight answer... and later, he will make up what you've said to him. Good luck! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 5 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said: You'll never get a straight answer... and later, he will make up what you've said to him. Good luck! lmao - I don’t have to make up anything when I can simply cut -n- paste your words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdmoreRyno Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 11 minutes ago, BillStime said: lmao - I don’t have to make up anything when I can simply cut -n- paste your words. Okay Francis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 11 minutes ago, BillStime said: lmao - I don’t have to make up anything when I can simply cut -n- paste your words. What types of guns do you want to bam and why. Let’s discuss this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 How do you argue with someone who calls a Hispanic man who was diagnosed with mental illness a white nationalist? He is correct about threatening the school multiple times but when you hire a superintendent mainly because he refused to suspend minority students when in Chicago terrible things happen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 (edited) 11 hours ago, Orlando Tim said: How do you argue with someone who calls a Hispanic man who was diagnosed with mental illness a white nationalist? He is correct about threatening the school multiple times but when you hire a superintendent mainly because he refused to suspend minority students when in Chicago terrible things happen. He's a phoney and not insane. That was an act. There was some thought at the time that he was a member of a white nationalist org in Florida, but the leader of that org backed off of this prior claim. Evidence is inconclusive. Nikalas was a MAGA guy though and an extremely hateful racist to be sure. Multiple photos of him sporting the beautiful red trucker hat. His instagram avatar was MAGA-themed. Huge racist. Snopes is your friend if you like the truth. From instagram private chat: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/nikolas-cruz-white-supremacist-group/ In one part of the group chat, Cruz wrote that he hated, “jews, ni**ers, immigrants.” He talked about killing Mexicans, keeping black people in chains and cutting their necks. There are hundreds of racist messages, racist memes and racist Instagram videos posted in the group. One member even joked about Cruz’s particular venomousness, saying that although he hated black people, too, he didn’t “to a point I wanna kill the (sic) like nick.” Cruz said he hated black people simply because they were black; Cruz hated Jews because he believed they wanted to destroy the world. After one member expressed hatred for gay people, Cruz agreed, saying, “Shoot them in the back of head.” White women drew Cruz’s hatred as well, specifically those in interracial relationships, whom he referred to repeatedly as traitors. Edited September 25, 2022 by Gene Frenkle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 18 minutes ago, Gene Frenkle said: He's a phoney and not insane. That was an act. There was some thought at the time that he was a member of a white nationalist org in Florida, but the leader of that org backed off of this prior claim. Evidence is inconclusive. Nikalas was a MAGA guy though and an extremely hateful racist to be sure. Multiple photos of him sporting the beautiful red trucker hat. His instagram avatar was MAGA-themed. Huge racist. Snopes is your friend if you like the truth. From instagram private chat: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/nikolas-cruz-white-supremacist-group/ In one part of the group chat, Cruz wrote that he hated, “jews, ni**ers, immigrants.” He talked about killing Mexicans, keeping black people in chains and cutting their necks. There are hundreds of racist messages, racist memes and racist Instagram videos posted in the group. One member even joked about Cruz’s particular venomousness, saying that although he hated black people, too, he didn’t “to a point I wanna kill the (sic) like nick.” Cruz said he hated black people simply because they were black; Cruz hated Jews because he believed they wanted to destroy the world. After one member expressed hatred for gay people, Cruz agreed, saying, “Shoot them in the back of head.” White women drew Cruz’s hatred as well, specifically those in interracial relationships, whom he referred to repeatedly as traitors. you think a dude who wanted to kill everyone is a white supremacist? He raged against cops and threatened people at school multiple times which caused him to be transferred from schools 5 times in 3 years. Finally he was thrown out after making a specific threat that he was gonna shoot up the school. He just wanted to kill people and was openly insane. BTW I know people who were higher ups in that district at the time and the way he was handled is why many of them are no longer there, some forced out and some left because they know that if not for the racist policy of not suspending him due to his Hispanic race that the shooting would most likely not have happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdmoreRyno Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 Only happens in the United States. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/09/26/izhevsk-udmurt-russia-school-shooting/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 Well, of course they did: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 1 hour ago, BillStime said: Well, of course they did: As usual B.S. just regurgitates what he is told. The Republicans support funding for Mental Health assistance in schools, but (imagine this) they don't want to support a bill named for one thing and delivering something else. Foxx Opposes Democrats’ H.R. 7780—a Blatant Power Grab WASHINGTON, D.C., September 29, 2022 Today, Education and Labor Committee Republican Leader Virginia Foxx (R-NC) spoke on the House floor in opposition to H.R. 7780, the Mental Health Matters Act, due to its attack on job creators and its failure to address the nation's mental health situation: “H.R. 7780, the Mental Health Matters Act, is a package of bills our country would be better off without. “For example, Title VI of the bill, the Strengthening Behavioral Health Benefits Act contains dangerous policy which would threaten access to critical workplace benefits. “How would this legislation drive employers to drop benefits? H.R. 7780 allows the Department of Labor (DOL) to level civil monetary penalties against plans and employers for ambiguous mental health parity violations. Employers who offer mental health benefits under the Employee Retirement Income Security Act (ERISA) do so voluntarily. They should not be penalized for violating standards that are unclear and vague. “Republicans and Democrats alike support mental health parity, which is why Congress has passed multiple laws to ensure employers are able to meet mental health parity requirements. Yet, despite receiving explicit direction from Congress outlining what DOL must provide to plans, the Department has yet to issue guidance. “This legislation would also increase DOL’s budget for mental health parity enforcement by an additional $275 million over 10 years—a sure sign DOL wants to double down on its aggression towards employers. This money would be better spent on compliance assistance instead of targeting employers based on ambiguous standards. “Additionally, Title VII, the Employee and Retiree Access to Justice Act, gets rid of arbitration clauses, class action waivers, and discretionary clauses in employee benefit plans. This opens the door to increased litigation against plan sponsors which could drastically increase the cost of administering these plans. “This bill also contains provisions regarding the youth mental health situation. There is bipartisan agreement that addressing the mental health of youth matters. {snip} “Lastly, H.R. 7780 includes the Respond, Innovate, Succeed, and Empower (RISE) Act, the intent of which Republicans support. While I agree that students with disabilities shouldn’t have to jump through hoops to obtain accommodations at school, this legislation will have unintended consequences as currently drafted. “For example, this legislation forces colleges and universities to accept outdated documentation from students who are claiming disability status but who do not in fact have a disability. This legislation should have been debated with stakeholders before being rushed to the House floor—but as usual Democrats took a shortcut. “I would encourage my colleagues to work across the aisle and utilize the deliberative process to form more commonsense and targeted legislation if they actually want to address our country’s mental health situation. “H.R. 7780 is a bill that tries to do too much—and none of it well. I urge my colleagues to vote no on this legislation.” https://republicans-edlabor.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=408614 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 2 hours ago, B-Man said: As usual B.S. just regurgitates what he is told. The Republicans support funding for Mental Health assistance in schools, but (imagine this) they don't want to support a bill named for one thing and delivering something else. Foxx Opposes Democrats’ H.R. 7780—a Blatant Power Grab WASHINGTON, D.C., September 29, 2022 Today, Education and Labor Committee Republican Leader Virginia Foxx (R-NC) spoke on the House floor in opposition to H.R. 7780, the Mental Health Matters Act, due to its attack on job creators and its failure to address the nation's mental health situation: “H.R. 7780, the Mental Health Matters Act, is a package of bills our country would be better off without. “For example, Title VI of the bill, the Strengthening Behavioral Health Benefits Act contains dangerous policy which would threaten access to critical workplace benefits. “How would this legislation drive employers to drop benefits? H.R. 7780 allows the Department of Labor (DOL) to level civil monetary penalties against plans and employers for ambiguous mental health parity violations. Employers who offer mental health benefits under the Employee Retirement Income Security Act (ERISA) do so voluntarily. They should not be penalized for violating standards that are unclear and vague. “Republicans and Democrats alike support mental health parity, which is why Congress has passed multiple laws to ensure employers are able to meet mental health parity requirements. Yet, despite receiving explicit direction from Congress outlining what DOL must provide to plans, the Department has yet to issue guidance. “This legislation would also increase DOL’s budget for mental health parity enforcement by an additional $275 million over 10 years—a sure sign DOL wants to double down on its aggression towards employers. This money would be better spent on compliance assistance instead of targeting employers based on ambiguous standards. “Additionally, Title VII, the Employee and Retiree Access to Justice Act, gets rid of arbitration clauses, class action waivers, and discretionary clauses in employee benefit plans. This opens the door to increased litigation against plan sponsors which could drastically increase the cost of administering these plans. “This bill also contains provisions regarding the youth mental health situation. There is bipartisan agreement that addressing the mental health of youth matters. {snip} “Lastly, H.R. 7780 includes the Respond, Innovate, Succeed, and Empower (RISE) Act, the intent of which Republicans support. While I agree that students with disabilities shouldn’t have to jump through hoops to obtain accommodations at school, this legislation will have unintended consequences as currently drafted. “For example, this legislation forces colleges and universities to accept outdated documentation from students who are claiming disability status but who do not in fact have a disability. This legislation should have been debated with stakeholders before being rushed to the House floor—but as usual Democrats took a shortcut. “I would encourage my colleagues to work across the aisle and utilize the deliberative process to form more commonsense and targeted legislation if they actually want to address our country’s mental health situation. “H.R. 7780 is a bill that tries to do too much—and none of it well. I urge my colleagues to vote no on this legislation.” https://republicans-edlabor.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=408614 Yeah but the children!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 2 hours ago, B-Man said: As usual B.S. just regurgitates what he is told. The Republicans support funding for Mental Health assistance in schools, but (imagine this) they don't want to support a bill named for one thing and delivering something else. Foxx Opposes Democrats’ H.R. 7780—a Blatant Power Grab WASHINGTON, D.C., September 29, 2022 Today, Education and Labor Committee Republican Leader Virginia Foxx (R-NC) spoke on the House floor in opposition to H.R. 7780, the Mental Health Matters Act, due to its attack on job creators and its failure to address the nation's mental health situation: “H.R. 7780, the Mental Health Matters Act, is a package of bills our country would be better off without. “For example, Title VI of the bill, the Strengthening Behavioral Health Benefits Act contains dangerous policy which would threaten access to critical workplace benefits. “How would this legislation drive employers to drop benefits? H.R. 7780 allows the Department of Labor (DOL) to level civil monetary penalties against plans and employers for ambiguous mental health parity violations. Employers who offer mental health benefits under the Employee Retirement Income Security Act (ERISA) do so voluntarily. They should not be penalized for violating standards that are unclear and vague. “Republicans and Democrats alike support mental health parity, which is why Congress has passed multiple laws to ensure employers are able to meet mental health parity requirements. Yet, despite receiving explicit direction from Congress outlining what DOL must provide to plans, the Department has yet to issue guidance. “This legislation would also increase DOL’s budget for mental health parity enforcement by an additional $275 million over 10 years—a sure sign DOL wants to double down on its aggression towards employers. This money would be better spent on compliance assistance instead of targeting employers based on ambiguous standards. “Additionally, Title VII, the Employee and Retiree Access to Justice Act, gets rid of arbitration clauses, class action waivers, and discretionary clauses in employee benefit plans. This opens the door to increased litigation against plan sponsors which could drastically increase the cost of administering these plans. “This bill also contains provisions regarding the youth mental health situation. There is bipartisan agreement that addressing the mental health of youth matters. {snip} “Lastly, H.R. 7780 includes the Respond, Innovate, Succeed, and Empower (RISE) Act, the intent of which Republicans support. While I agree that students with disabilities shouldn’t have to jump through hoops to obtain accommodations at school, this legislation will have unintended consequences as currently drafted. “For example, this legislation forces colleges and universities to accept outdated documentation from students who are claiming disability status but who do not in fact have a disability. This legislation should have been debated with stakeholders before being rushed to the House floor—but as usual Democrats took a shortcut. “I would encourage my colleagues to work across the aisle and utilize the deliberative process to form more commonsense and targeted legislation if they actually want to address our country’s mental health situation. “H.R. 7780 is a bill that tries to do too much—and none of it well. I urge my colleagues to vote no on this legislation.” https://republicans-edlabor.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=408614 Irony is dead TLDR Laughable coming from our resident plagiarist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 No way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, BillStime said: No way So let me get this straight…people who are advocates for the right to keep and bear arms are hard core Republicans? No! Really? Who knew? Shocking! How do people get a degree in journalism? Sheeesh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy1 Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 https://www.thirdway.org/report/the-red-state-murder-problem Interesting article. Murder rates are rising in red states. Murder is not just a city problem. Maybe more guns don’t make people safer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 Media Spin on Gun Control Doesn’t Match Voters’ Opinions A recent survey conducted on behalf of the CPRC that examined support for red flag laws and found that the more folks know about how Extreme Risk Protection Orders work in practice, the less likely they are to want them on the books. People initially answered by a two-to-one margin that they support red flag laws (58% to 29%), with the strongest support coming from Democrats, the wealthy, blacks and Hispanics, and people aged 18-29. However, after being told that there are no court proceedings before an individual’s guns are taken away, and that there are no mental health care experts involved in the process, support changed to opposition (29% to 47%). Strong support plummeted from 34% to 14% and strong opposition rose from 18% to 29%. Finally, people were asked if they prefer “involuntary commitment” or red flag laws. They were told that involuntary commitment laws provide for evaluations by mental health care experts, that an emergency court hearing takes place before a judge’s decision, and that a lawyer is provided if the person can’t afford one. They are also told that, under such rules, judges have a range of less extreme options, such as mandatory outpatient mental health care and weapon confiscation. https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2022/10/05/media_spin_on_gun_control_doesnt_match_voters_opinions_148282.html . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 BREAKING: Federal judge blocks new NY gun law; "multiple parts" unconstitutional ASSOCIATED PRESS 12:54 PM on October 06, 2022 A federal judge halted key provisions Thursday of New York’s latest attempt to restrict who can carry a handgun in public and where firearms can be brought, saying multiple parts of a law the state passed this year are unconstitutional. U.S. District Judge Glenn Suddaby focused on multiple parts of the law, saying licensing requirements — like a rule requiring applicants to turn over information about their social media accounts — went too far. “Simply stated, instead of moving toward becoming a shall-issue jurisdiction, New York State has further entrenched itself as a shall-not-issue jurisdiction. And, by doing so, it has further reduced a first-class constitutional right to bear arms in public for self defense … into a mere request,” wrote Suddaby, who sits in Syracuse. https://apnews.com/article/us-supreme-court-new-york-social-media-gun-politics-d2682ad7dc21aacac49b247e2a3cd518?taid=633f07176d375c0001017708&utm_campaign=TrueAnthem&utm_medium=AP&utm_source=Twitter . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdmoreRyno Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 This is horrible... it's also proof that evil finds a way if that's a knife or a gun (or both in this case). Most of the deaths were from "Stabbing wounds". https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/06/asia/thailand-mass-shooting-intl-hnk/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 Nailed it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 Just another Friday Night Lights in a RED state 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 3 hours ago, BillStime said: Nailed it Yep You people are done 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 6 hours ago, Big Blitz said: Yep You people are done Are we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdmoreRyno Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 12 hours ago, BillStime said: Just another Friday Night Lights in a RED state More criminal thug/gangsters. Not GOPers. Drug dealing gang member thugs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 On 10/7/2022 at 11:03 PM, BillStime said: Nailed it Do you actually believe guns are the problem with Uvalde? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 On 10/7/2022 at 11:23 PM, BillStime said: Just another Friday Night Lights in a RED state what party is the mayor of Toledo? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdmoreRyno Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 On 10/9/2022 at 6:45 AM, aristocrat said: what party is the mayor of Toledo? Toledo is a DUMP and has been ran by democrats since the town created the position of "mayor". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 Armed citizen shoots knife-wielding man threatening paramedics. https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/bystander-shoots-man-threatening-gainesville-paramedics . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 Red state bliss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 CIVIL RIGHTS UPDATE: N.Y. Law Banning Gun Carrying in Churches (Including by People Authorized by the Church) Struck Down. https://reason.com/volokh/2022/10/21/n-y-law-banning-gun-carrying-in-churches-including-by-people-authorized-by-the-church-struck-down/ . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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