dave mcbride Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 Can we all just agree that Bon Jovi is a no-talent ass-clown as far as music goes? He is good at making money, though. He is indeed a no-talent ass-clown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 I wanted to puke when I read that. this---^ Interesting, didn't no Canadians feel that way. Do they feel they are arrogant and get too much attention or is it something else? it's KNOW, not NO. Eh!?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hsp08 Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 Interesting, didn't no Canadians feel that way. Do they feel they are arrogant and get too much attention or is it something else? Toronto is the New York City of Canada. I will leave it at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 this smug Canadian thinks that they are doing us a favor by taking our team, well guess what buddy if they go they aren't our team anymore. :angry: "Yes, the Bills won’t leave Western New York until 2020. That sounds like forever, but it’s well within the acceptable window. It’ll take years to build the team a new home somewhere on Toronto’s waterfront and transition them over the border. Until then, the two cities can split games between the Ralph and the Rogers Centre.Buffalo knows in its heart that this is finally for real. They’re understandably torn. Hopefully, by the time it’s over, we’ll be able to explain to them that we’re not taking their team away. We’re ensuring its longevity. Most importantly, this doesn’t need to be zero sum.We’re always willing to share with friends." http://www.thestar.c...wo-bills-drive# Ok I hate Toronto and I grew up there so i can say that. Toronto is like a rich @$$hole who only wants to purchase something so it will look good in their "portfolio" The city of Toronto is a corporate one no matter how you look at it and that applies to sports teams there. I hate when someone thinks they are entitled to something and thinks they will get what they want just because they are big and rich. Thats the impression I get from this article. I am a proud Canadian and love my country but if Toronto buys the Bills I will be sick to my stomach and have a hard decision to make as to if I would still support the Bills even though they wont be the Bills anymore. Anyone else feel that Toronto is acting as a bully and taking something that is ours and trying to make us feel better by saying hey its still technicaly yours even though we own it. Man I hate Toronto. Stick to your CFL,NHL,NBA,MLB,NLL,MLS. You dont need the NFL and the NFL does not need you. CBF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 To prevent complacency and keep fans coming to games? Surely you can't be serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffaloed in Pa Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 Screw Jersey trash and back stabbing cannucks. The Bills are staying here. Bon Jovi and Canada can look elsewhere. Happy Thanksgiving to all American Bills fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87168 Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 Screw Jersey trash and back stabbing cannucks. The Bills are staying here. Bon Jovi and Canada can look elsewhere. Happy Thanksgiving to all American Bills fans. well said! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 28, 2013 Author Share Posted November 28, 2013 Surely you can't be serious. Totally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 Totally. Just curious as to why you would think that is necessary given the consistent support Bills fans provide over the years despite the mediocrity on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 28, 2013 Author Share Posted November 28, 2013 Just curious as to why you would think that is necessary given the consistent support Bills fans provide over the years despite the mediocrity on the field. Is it necessary for Ralph to reveal that he has a plan in place to keep the Bills in Buffalo after he dies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 this---^ it's KNOW, not NO. Eh!?!? sometimes the txt talk slips through Ok I hate Toronto and I grew up there so i can say that. Toronto is like a rich @$$hole who only wants to purchase something so it will look good in their "portfolio" The city of Toronto is a corporate one no matter how you look at it and that applies to sports teams there. I hate when someone thinks they are entitled to something and thinks they will get what they want just because they are big and rich. Thats the impression I get from this article. I am a proud Canadian and love my country but if Toronto buys the Bills I will be sick to my stomach and have a hard decision to make as to if I would still support the Bills even though they wont be the Bills anymore. Anyone else feel that Toronto is acting as a bully and taking something that is ours and trying to make us feel better by saying hey its still technicaly yours even though we own it. Man I hate Toronto. Stick to your CFL,NHL,NBA,MLB,NLL,MLS. You dont need the NFL and the NFL does not need you. CBF Well said and good to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 Is it necessary for Ralph to reveal that he has a plan in place to keep the Bills in Buffalo after he dies? Necessary? Of course not. The question is understanding the reason why, if there is a plan in place, he wouldn't. What's to gain by leaving everyone in dread-filled suspense? More ticket sales? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 Necessary? Of course not. The question is understanding the reason why, if there is a plan in place, he wouldn't. What's to gain by leaving everyone in dread-filled suspense? More ticket sales? I think that it was discussed in another thread but Ralph is trying to avoid about $150M in Capital Gains tax by selling while he is alive. Perhaps he does not want to raise any red flags that will have Uncle Sam after his estate? Just my thought... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 Correct me if i'm wrong, but if Ralph were to pass tomorrow and Mr. Bovine Joni were to buy it; wouldn't he be forced to keep it here for another 6 seasons after this one? I'd hate to be the PR guys answering to Buffalo media for however long the lease guarantees their stay here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 Correct me if i'm wrong, but if Ralph were to pass tomorrow and Mr. Bovine Joni were to buy it; wouldn't he be forced to keep it here for another 6 seasons after this one? I'd hate to be the PR guys answering to Buffalo media for however long the lease guarantees their stay here. Not forced to but he would pretty much have to. He would pay $800-$900M for the team; he would not pay another $400M to get out of the lease. It drops to $28M in year 7. The sooner the team hits the market the more likely they are to remain in WNY. No one with intentions of moving the team will want to wait 7 years. They may wait a year or 2 but not 7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 I think that it was discussed in another thread but Ralph is trying to avoid about $150M in Capital Gains tax by selling while he is alive. Perhaps he does not want to raise any red flags that will have Uncle Sam after his estate? Just my thought... Agree with this. If IRS found out Ralph had a plan or agreement in place to sell team before he died, they could rightfully come after his estate for the capital gains tax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 I think we need to start a site to take donations to keep the Bills in Buffalo. Any Buffalo based ownership group that buys the team will get it. If all of the fans and local businesses came up with say $500-1000 each we could probably end up with upwards of $100 million to add to the pot which might mean the difference between a local investor group offering $900 million and a Toronto group offering $1 billion. If we start it now I bet it can grow to a substantial size between now and 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 Agree with this. If IRS found out Ralph had a plan or agreement in place to sell team before he died, they could rightfully come after his estate for the capital gains tax. Huh? If it's sold before he dies, he pays capital gains. If it sells after he dies, there is only the estate tax (unless he wills it only to his wife). If he wills it to her and she sells it, she pays only the capital gains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 Huh? If it's sold before he dies, he pays capital gains. If it sells after he dies, there is only the estate tax (unless he wills it only to his wife). If he wills it to her and she sells it, she pays only the capital gains. If Ralph came out and said Bills are getting sold to such-and-such group when I die to calm Bills fans, IRS could deem that sale effectively happened before he died and come after his estate for the capital gains tax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8-8 Forever? Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 (edited) Ok I hate Toronto and I grew up there so i can say that. Toronto is like a rich @$$hole who only wants to purchase something so it will look good in their "portfolio" The city of Toronto is a corporate one no matter how you look at it and that applies to sports teams there. I hate when someone thinks they are entitled to something and thinks they will get what they want just because they are big and rich. Thats the impression I get from this article. I am a proud Canadian and love my country but if Toronto buys the Bills I will be sick to my stomach and have a hard decision to make as to if I would still support the Bills even though they wont be the Bills anymore. Anyone else feel that Toronto is acting as a bully and taking something that is ours and trying to make us feel better by saying hey its still technicaly yours even though we own it. Man I hate Toronto. Stick to your CFL,NHL,NBA,MLB,NLL,MLS. You dont need the NFL and the NFL does not need you. CBF "taking something that is ours" ?? what ?? ours? Ralph Wilson owns the franchise. He can do whatever he wants with it. The fans own nothing other than what is known as "reflected glory" or bragging rights, and that ain't much. He's been loyal to WNY for 50 years but he says he is auctioning it off to the highest bidder and none of his heirs want it. It is what it is. Edited November 29, 2013 by 8and8Forever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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