SBUffalo Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Doug Marrone just announced that kicker Dustin Hopkins has been placed on the IR. I'll be surprised if there isn't a grievance filed by the PA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Doug Marrone just announced that kicker Dustin Hopkins has been placed on the IR. I'll be surprised if there isn't a grievance filed by the PA. Why would there be a grievance? He's getting paid his full salary. What would he grieve? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 I don't mean to be presumptuous. But this adequately defines the Hopkins situation over the last 5 weeks leading till now: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JÂy RÛßeÒ Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 I guess we know how they're making room for Thaddeus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Makes perfect sense to be given Carpenter's performance and the injury situation with the rest of the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Lmao!!! Cliffhanger, my favorite PIR game of all time after Plinko... This was a no brainer, why put Hopkins in for a kicker playing at an all-pro level and one getting good distance on kickoffs... Hopkins will get a chance to win the job in camp again next year...sucks, but those are the breaks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBUffalo Posted October 7, 2013 Author Share Posted October 7, 2013 Why would there be a grievance? He's getting paid his full salary. What would he grieve? By placing him on the IR without him having a real season-ending injury, the Bills are taking away an opportunity for him to showcase his abilities that he would've likely had a chance to do if he weren't on the IR. There have been cases like that before. The only reason I think they might not file a grievance is because Hopkins might not want to get into a legal fight as a rookie. Might just ride out the season quietly and get back at it this offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxxer Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Competition next year if Carpenter can't handle the winds at the Ralph late in the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Doug Marrone just announced that kicker Dustin Hopkins has been placed on the IR. I'll be surprised if there isn't a grievance filed by the PA. Teams do this all the time. Why would the NFLPA have any issue with it? Two of their members instead of one are getting a full season of pay. They probably love this stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 By placing him on the IR without him having a real season-ending injury, the Bills are taking away an opportunity for him to showcase his abilities that he would've likely had a chance to do if he weren't on the IR. There have been cases like that before. The only reason I think they might not file a grievance is because Hopkins might not want to get into a legal fight as a rookie. Might just ride out the season quietly and get back at it this offseason. Hopkins was legitimately injured, so what you're saying doesn't apply. The injury doesn't have to be "season ending" to place a player on IR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Competition next year if Carpenter can't handle the winds at the Ralph late in the season. Good thing we're playing all our games at RWS before November... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 By placing him on the IR without him having a real season-ending injury, the Bills are taking away an opportunity for him to showcase his abilities that he would've likely had a chance to do if he weren't on the IR. There have been cases like that before. The only reason I think they might not file a grievance is because Hopkins might not want to get into a legal fight as a rookie. Might just ride out the season quietly and get back at it this offseason. Can you please show me these cases? Players are put on IR all the time and get healthy late in the season but teams need the roster spots. This is not a case for a grievance as the Bills did nothing wrong and Hopkins is getting paid full salary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 By placing him on the IR without him having a real season-ending injury, the Bills are taking away an opportunity for him to showcase his abilities that he would've likely had a chance to do if he weren't on the IR. There have been cases like that before. The only reason I think they might not file a grievance is because Hopkins might not want to get into a legal fight as a rookie. Might just ride out the season quietly and get back at it this offseason. Hopkins pulled his hamstring in either his planting leg or kicking leg, thats HUGE. And certainly could be season ending. You've seen linemen, who require use of there arms and chest muscle, go out on season ending IR when they pull or tear a chest muscle or bicep. Very similar, considering he requires use of his legs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxxer Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Good thing we're playing all our games at RWS before November... good call Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Sturgis was the other rookie kicker i wanted them to draft (out of Florida). He went to Miami and is kicking pretty well....although he was wide left on a 51 yarder at the buzzer that would've sent the Ravens game into OT on Sunday. I think Hopkins is the long-term kicker here someday. They won't give up on him...it's just too bad he got hurt and the replacement is kicking well enough to keep the Bills from rushing him back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 True remember Paul Pusslossknee broke an arm and was IR'ed and lost for the year and he "could have" rejoined the team after six weeks or so but wasn't able to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucethomas34 Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Doug Marrone just announced that kicker Dustin Hopkins has been placed on the IR. I'll be surprised if there isn't a grievance filed by the PA. Future quote from Hopkins. "This is where god wants me" Who can argue with that? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Sturgis was the other rookie kicker i wanted them to draft (out of Florida). He went to Miami and is kicking pretty well....although he was wide left on a 51 yarder at the buzzer that would've sent the Ravens game into OT on Sunday. I think Hopkins is the long-term kicker here someday. They won't give up on him...it's just too bad he got hurt and the replacement is kicking well enough to keep the Bills from rushing him back. Was a 57 yarder, not 51...weird looking kick but had the distance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 good call It's actually not as front-loaded as the rumors might suggest (the home portion of the schedule). However, his 55 yarder with TONS of room to spare might indicate he's up for the challenge. It's just a matter of "putting it through the break." Or may be it's about finessing it and playing the break. WTF would I know? I'm no kicker. Anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricojes Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 (edited) By placing him on the IR without him having a real season-ending injury, the Bills are taking away an opportunity for him to showcase his abilities that he would've likely had a chance to do if he weren't on the IR. There have been cases like that before. The only reason I think they might not file a grievance is because Hopkins might not want to get into a legal fight as a rookie. Might just ride out the season quietly and get back at it this offseason. I think there is something to this. I believe you are correct, there have been cases in the past, but I'll have to do some research. A player was healthy enough to play after being IR'd and negotiated his release. But I don't see this happening with him. Edited October 7, 2013 by ricojes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 True remember Paul Pusslossknee broke an arm and was IR'ed and lost for the year and he "could have" rejoined the team after six weeks or so but wasn't able to. IIRC, I believe Poz himself later admitted that he really could not have played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 IIRC, I believe Poz himself later admitted that he really could not have played. YDRC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 YDRC TYVMITIHRC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvermike Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Can you please show me these cases? Players are put on IR all the time and get healthy late in the season but teams need the roster spots. This is not a case for a grievance as the Bills did nothing wrong and Hopkins is getting paid full salary. There's no rule requiring a season-ending injury to be put on IR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 TYVMITIHRC YW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 (edited) There's no rule requiring a season-ending injury to be put on IR. There's also no rule that says a player has to have season ending injury to be put on IR. Edited October 7, 2013 by nucci Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 I think there is something to this. I believe you are correct, there have been cases in the past, but I'll have to do some research. A player was healthy enough to play after being IR'd and negotiated his release. But I don't see this happening with him. I believe you are correct, Kolb could do this if his brains unscramble and the Dr's clear him but not back to the Bills, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Sturgis was the other rookie kicker i wanted them to draft (out of Florida). He went to Miami and is kicking pretty well....although he was wide left on a 51 yarder at the buzzer that would've sent the Ravens game into OT on Sunday. I think Hopkins is the long-term kicker here someday. They won't give up on him...it's just too bad he got hurt and the replacement is kicking well enough to keep the Bills from rushing him back. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 I believe you are correct, Kolb could do this if his brains unscramble and the Dr's clear him but not back to the Bills, Teams can reach an injury settlement with a player who they placed on IR. Subsequently, the player can then go on to play for another team in the same season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Teams can reach an injury settlement with a player who they placed on IR. Subsequently, the player can then go on to play for another team in the same season. I believe thats what I said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 I believe thats what I said. Congratulations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Big fan of Carpenter so no problem with this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Teams can reach an injury settlement with a player who they placed on IR. Subsequently, the player can then go on to play for another team in the same season. I think both the player and the team have to agree on the compensation. I doubt the Bills would let Hopkins go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 I think both the player and the team have to agree on the compensation. I doubt the Bills would let Hopkins go. Not expecting that. The plan is for him to eventually be the long term K solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricojes Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 (edited) I think both the player and the team have to agree on the compensation. I doubt the Bills would let Hopkins go. And that's where the grievence comes into play.... Edited October 7, 2013 by ricojes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braedenstearns Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Link if someone wants it. http://m.buffalobills.com/s/30841/367?itemPos=2&itemUri=1439349777%2F361222114741213201587141076 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maybe Someday Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Once Hopkins is healthy, he can request to be released from IR with a settlement in order to go play for another team this season. The last time I recall this happening for the Bills was with Troy Vincent probably like 10 years back. IIRC he made the request, we had no choice to comply since he was healthy enough to play and he went on to play for the Redskins the rest of the year. The CBA has changed so this may have been altered since then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 True remember Paul Pusslossknee broke an arm and was IR'ed and lost for the year and he "could have" rejoined the team after six weeks or so but wasn't able to. sidenote, I saw (before this weekend's games) that Poz was #2 in the league in tackles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Once Hopkins is healthy, he can request to be released from IR with a settlement in order to go play for another team this season. The last time I recall this happening for the Bills was with Troy Vincent probably like 10 years back. IIRC he made the request, we had no choice to comply since he was healthy enough to play and he went on to play for the Redskins the rest of the year. The CBA has changed so this may have been altered since then. This is a pretty informative thread from this link. You're right, the CBA has changed so maybe IR rules have too. Interestingly, when Vincent went to IR, the Bills brought up Jim Leonhard. http://philly.sportscolumn.com/archive/index.php/t-2406.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 And that's where the grievence comes into play.... Why would you file a grievance when you're getting full pay? What's the point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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