simpleman Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 QB Report from the Combine http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/combine-2013-qb-class-continues-iffy-narrative-throwing-110226263--nfl.html A couple of quotes Nassib: “I think that he will struggle to make those longer stick throws at the NFL level at times. He may wind up being a fringe starter or career backup. I really question whether Nassib will be a top-of-the-line starter. He will max out in most aspects of the game, especially the mental aspects of the position, but I wonder about the complete skill set. His ultimate upside might be somewhere between Ryan Fitzpatrick and Andy Dalton.” Not very comforting at all. Smith: “I don't know, however, whether he always has the kind of velocity you'd want on certain throws, and I sometimes wonder if Smith's ceiling isn't a bit lower than some might think.” Glennon: “ When he's got pressure in his face and is asked to re-set and adjust to a muddy pocket, that's where things get a little rougher, and that's a question he'll have to overcome if he ever wants to be a starter in the NFL” Jones: “Overall, Jones is a better than average passer on short and intermediate routes, but today's drills added to the perception that he will struggle at times to make deep throws into tight windows.” Manuel: “Overall, I thought Manuel's throwing session mirrored his college career -- some impressive moments interspersed with bouts of frustrating inconsistency.” Bray: “Basically Mike Glennon Lite -- he will impress in throwing drills, but he will also display some howling inaccuracies on his game tape. If he's an NFL quarterback at all, and I'm really not sure if he is, it will be as a developmental guy with a coach who's patient enough to smooth out all the wrinkles” Others: “Southern Utah's Brad Sorensen helped himself as much as anyone in this environment by matching some of the more well-known quarterbacks with his own performance. He was generally accurate and showed a really nice touch on some of the passes in which he was asked to sail the ball deep.” “Minnesota's MarQueis Gray surprised some people who thought he should switch to receiver at the NFL level. He was more accurate on his intermediate and deep throws than some of the more "elite" prospects.” None of this is comforting. It does not sound like any of them are even worth a gamble on a 2nd round pick, much less a 1st. I’m beginning to think we should be planning on getting our “Franchise” QB next year and using a later round pick on one of the others like Sorensen or Gray. Does anyone know much about either of them? If it is such a gamble on all of them, why not gamble on the lower stakes choices and hope to win. Why waste good picks on such huge gambles when there are so many high odds players at other positions in this years draft. I still think the best hope for the Bill’s this year is to be able to trade down, if they get the opportunity, to the mid 1st and get at least an extra 2nd round pick. Get our LB/WR and use the year to prepare to challenge next year with a top QB pick with a supporting cast already in place to help him actually succeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acantha Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 I didn't watch the combine, but those are pretty much my opinions of all these guys. Especially Bray and Glennon. For those guys, the combine means nothing to me. It's game time where they fall short, not measurements. IMO, the only QB worth taking early is Barkely, and then only in a WCO and only on a team that has a bit of time with him (he'd be an absolute perfect replacement for Brady). There's no good pick for the Bills unless they're drafting a backup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kellyto83TD Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 I watched Sunday and I have to say I wouldn't draft any of them except maybe in the 3rd round or later to develop a backup. I was really dissapointed. I was hoping our 'system QB' would be there but sorry I wouldn't take any of them. Time to just suck up another crap season and maybe we lose enough to get a top 2 pick or we will be out of the QB race again next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filthymcnasty08 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Matt Barkley just won the lottery by not showing up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 "Hi Guys...You miss me yet??? All this talk about other QB options really pees me off. I will be back this Fall so stop your research and deal with it." Sincerely - Ryan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Watching the combine I don't see a qb in rd 1. That must be why KC is trying for Alex Smith. Restructure Fitz to sign Levitre , bad move to cut Nelson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotpockets28 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 (edited) "Hi Guys...You miss me yet??? All this talk about other QB options really pees me off. I will be back this Fall so stop your research and deal with it." Sincerely - Ryan ........ugggh....not again....please for the love of christ not another season of pickspatrick.. Edited February 25, 2013 by Hotpockets28 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Cleveland misses: 2007 Brady Quinn rd 1 #22 , 2010 Colt Mc Coy rd 3 #85 , 2012 Brandon Weeden rd 1 #22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuTheFat Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Option #1 - Trade down. WTF? You're in a great position to select a top-notch player and you actually want to make your situation worse by letting other teams select before you? All because you can't get a top-flight QB who 7 other teams need to take a pass on in order for you to pick him up? Really? This is your draft strategy? Option #2 - Take the best QB available at #8. Unless all the reports are way off base, many of the current prospects will drop to round #2 or later. What this means is that most or all of them aren't really all that great unless you win the lottery and it turns out all the pro scouts were completely wrong. Yeah, it happens, but not very often. So, if you do get a QB in round #1, the odds of him being better than your current starter (Fitz) are pretty low. Option #3 - Take a WR or LB at #8. There's lots of talent available and #8 is a great place to be. Hey! Guess what? Starting WR's #2 and #3 from last year have been cut. Oh, and so was starting LB #1. Looks like both those positions need immediate attention... but hey, I'm no pro scout... let's trade down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 I still think the best hope for the Bill’s this year is to be able to trade down, if they get the opportunity, to the mid 1st and get at least an extra 2nd round pick. Get our LB/WR and use the year to prepare to challenge next year with a top QB pick with a supporting cast already in place to help him actually succeed. The only QB I would take at #8 would be Geno Smith...I admit that may be a little higher than he's rated...But the Buffalo Bills are in a very unique situation...And the ability to get the top rated QB in this Draft is something this Franchise absolutely cannot pass up... Otherwise I completely agree with your trade-down comment...I would almost take any trade-down offer that included a 2014 #1...I would still grab a QB with one of the 1st three picks in 2013, even in a trade down scenario...But this team has some major gaping holes all over the roster...So extra picks can't be a bad thing...And the QB class of 2014 is going to be better...Probably significantly better... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 (edited) "Hi Guys...You miss me yet??? All this talk about other QB options really pees me off. I will be back this Fall so stop your research and deal with it." Sincerely - Ryan Hey Ryan! Thanks for checking in. Actually truth be told you have sucked your entire career. Nowdon't get all upset and shave your beard or some other crazy thing.But it's the truth you know it, and everyone in the league knows it. But really a lot of us have seen way more than we ever needed too. you're a career loser. Good luck on Wall Street though. You got a lot of money that was misspent by a old GM. Save it. If you need to try and save face, accept vets minimum on any team not named the Buffalo Bills in the future. Edited February 25, 2013 by Best Player Available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Trooth Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Seems to me a lot of info. But, what kind? Mis info? Or truth? The comment on Nassib... "maxing out on the mental aspects" WTF? The kids a gym rat, film junky, and an academic all american who graduated almost a year ago. Whoever came up with that gem clearly has his head up his a$$. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acantha Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Seems to me a lot of info. But, what kind? Mis info? Or truth? The comment on Nassib... "maxing out on the mental aspects" WTF? The kids a gym rat, film junky, and an academic all american who graduated almost a year ago. Whoever came up with that gem clearly has his head up his a$$. I think I read that different than you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Glennon: “ When he's got pressure in his face and is asked to re-set and adjust to a muddy pocket, that's where things get a little rougher, and that's a question he'll have to overcome if he ever wants to be a starter in the NFL” . So I guess Te'o isn't the only one who was asked about this.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simpleman Posted February 25, 2013 Author Share Posted February 25, 2013 The only QB I would take at #8 would be Geno Smith...I admit that may be a little higher than he's rated...But the Buffalo Bills are in a very unique situation...And the ability to get the top rated QB in this Draft is something this Franchise absolutely cannot pass up... Otherwise I completely agree with your trade-down comment...I would almost take any trade-down offer that included a 2014 #1...I would still grab a QB with one of the 1st three picks in 2013, even in a trade down scenario...But this team has some major gaping holes all over the roster...So extra picks can't be a bad thing...And the QB class of 2014 is going to be better...Probably significantly better... I admit I don't know the trade value charts for next year's pick. You are probably right. Even giving up this year's 1st round for their next year's 1st and an extra 2nd this year probably would realistically and intellectually a better thing for the Bills. But, emotionally as a fan I have a hard time giving up the whole season before it even starts. Emotionally I need to feel there is still some kind of hope for a decent season this year, and giving up this year's first completely pretty much says you give up on this year already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 "Hi Guys...You miss me yet??? All this talk about other QB options really pees me off. I will be back this Fall so stop your research and deal with it." Sincerely - Ryan I threw up in my mouth... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 I have a nagging feeling that Tyler Wilson will end up being the best QB out of this draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simpleman Posted February 25, 2013 Author Share Posted February 25, 2013 Seems to me a lot of info. But, what kind? Mis info? Or truth? The comment on Nassib... "maxing out on the mental aspects" WTF? The kids a gym rat, film junky, and an academic all american who graduated almost a year ago. Whoever came up with that gem clearly has his head up his a$$. I guess this meant something different to me. I thought he meant that he was especially good at that part of the game, but it was his other issues that would doom his success. Like another QB he mentioned, Fitz, who has the smarts, but his other glaring weaknesses can not be overcome by his smarts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mob16151 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 My boy Matt Scott getting some praise Arizona's Matt Scott is someone I hear a bit about as a developmental prospect, living in Pac-12 country as I do. He didn't do anything to hurt himself during Sunday afternoon's drills, showing off a good arm and nice velocity on longer throws Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Cleveland misses: 2007 Brady Quinn rd 1 #22 , 2010 Colt Mc Coy rd 3 #85 , 2012 Brandon Weeden rd 1 #22 Hey, at least they are trying. Thats more than I can say about the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrobot Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Which quarterback are these descriptions? “lacks great physical stature and strength” “lacks mobility and ability to avoid the rush” ”does not throw a really tight spiral” “a system type play that could get exposed if forced to ad-lib” All are Tom Brady. Currently on my board, not adjusted for yesterday's combine results (won't be much different, as we use game tape, not Underwear Olympics): 1 10 Geno Smith--------Bills draft at 8 1 24 Matt Barkley 2 36 Mike Glennon 2 44 Tyler Wilson------Bills draft at 41 2 55 Ryan Nassib 3 70 E.J. Manuel-------Bills draft at 71 3 92 Tyler Bray 4 103 Landry Jones---Bills draft at 102 4 124 Collin Klein 5 142 Zac Dysert------Bills draft at 136 5 148 Matt Scott 5 160 Seth Doege----Bills draft at 166 6 192 Sean Renfree 7 195 Brad Sorensen UDFA: U 238 Nick Florence, Baylor---Big target has been Terrence Williams, had > yards passing (3,191 to 3,093) than RG3, one more rushing TD (6 to 5) and was sacked 5 times less than RG3 U 357 Jeff Tuel QB, Washington State----broken collarbone in 1st gm 2011, came back midseason, reinjured, inj drop him here. good athlete good arm, good acc, best year as soph: 2,780 yds and 18 TD. Won Casino Bowl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 So I guess Te'o isn't the only one who was asked about this.... WEO, that was actually funny. Well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acantha Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Which quarterback are these descriptions? “lacks great physical stature and strength” “lacks mobility and ability to avoid the rush” ”does not throw a really tight spiral” “a system type play that could get exposed if forced to ad-lib” All are Tom Brady. And hundreds of NFL failures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeisterHollow Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 There are 4 QB's in this draft I'm psyched about - all at different places. Barkley in round 1, Wilson in round 2, Bray in round 3 or after, and Marquis Gray in round 5 or after. At those places I think those QB's would be excellent value for Buffalo. Thats not to say I'd be disappointed if we got Manuel in the 2nd, or Nassib in the 3rd - I'm not going to question our coaches decision making, but those first 4 guys I mentioned seem to have the most potential at their respected rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Where would Fitz have ranked coming out in this draft? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bunk Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Sorry i just can't put a whole lot of stock into what the talking heads say. last year these same scouts said Russell Wilson was barely a top 100 player. If you were to re-draft 2012 he goes top 5. I like Bray, he'll be there in the 2nd round and maybe early 3rd. None of these other guys do it for me, especially in the first round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Where would Fitz have ranked coming out in this draft? Same place he did in his Draft...Near the bottom... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bunk Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Same place he did in his Draft...Near the bottom... oddly enough most of the scouts who's opinions everybody values feel like Nassib(potential 1st/definite 2nd round pick) is very similar to Fitz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 (edited) oddly enough most of the scouts who's opinions everybody values feel like Nassib(potential 1st/definite 2nd round pick) is very similar to Fitz. Then why was Fitz ranked a 6/7th round pick? There are Qb's in this draft that will be better than Fitz., and the Bills have to find one of them.... Edited February 25, 2013 by Marauder'sMicro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Where is the report on Wilson? Seems like a pretty imcomplete report. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bunk Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Then why was Fitz ranked a 6/7th round pick? There are Qb's in this draft that will be better than Fitz., and the Bills have to find one of them.... Why was Russ Wilson a third round pick? Sometimes scouts miss. Go back and look at the draft Fitz was in, bet he had a better career than at least half of the QB's taken before him. I agree we need to find a QB i just thought it was funny one of the guys some people on this board like(Nassib) has been compared to Fitz by more than one scout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibs Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 (edited) ......I agree we need to find a QB i just thought it was funny one of the guys some people on this board like(Nassib) has been compared to Fitz by more than one scout. You don't find it perhaps coincidental that Marrone's old QB is being compared to his new incumbent QB? My meaning is that if Fitz(or Nassib) played for any other team, there likely wouldn't be any comparisons made. Edited February 25, 2013 by Dibs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Who the heck is Doug Farrar, and what has he done in life that qualifies him as an elite draft scout? Not a darn thing from what I can find on the guy! Why do you guys read crap from a Seattle beat writer and think it is the gospel. How a bout we wait until Mayock or the two ESPN draftniks to put out their formal 2 cents after the combine. Everything this dufas stated about Nassib is almost the opposite from what I'm hearing on the NFL network from ex GM's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 UDFA: U 238 Nick Florence, Baylor---Big target has been Terrence Williams, had > yards passing (3,191 to 3,093) than RG3, one more rushing TD (6 to 5) and was sacked 5 times less than RG3 I saw this guy in person at the Holiday Bowl and boy did he impress me. I knew nothing about him but he came out and dominated the first half of play. Made every throw in the book and had total command of the pocket and his offense. Looked like a really mobile guy too. Would love if we took a flyer on him as a late round pick or UDFA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 QB Report from the Combine http://sports.yahoo....26263--nfl.html A couple of quotes Nassib: “I think that he will struggle to make those longer stick throws at the NFL level at times. He may wind up being a fringe starter or career backup. I really question whether Nassib will be a top-of-the-line starter. He will max out in most aspects of the game, especially the mental aspects of the position, but I wonder about the complete skill set. His ultimate upside might be somewhere between Ryan Fitzpatrick and Andy Dalton.” Not very comforting at all. Smith: “I don't know, however, whether he always has the kind of velocity you'd want on certain throws, and I sometimes wonder if Smith's ceiling isn't a bit lower than some might think.” Glennon: “ When he's got pressure in his face and is asked to re-set and adjust to a muddy pocket, that's where things get a little rougher, and that's a question he'll have to overcome if he ever wants to be a starter in the NFL” Jones: “Overall, Jones is a better than average passer on short and intermediate routes, but today's drills added to the perception that he will struggle at times to make deep throws into tight windows.” Manuel: “Overall, I thought Manuel's throwing session mirrored his college career -- some impressive moments interspersed with bouts of frustrating inconsistency.” Bray: “Basically Mike Glennon Lite -- he will impress in throwing drills, but he will also display some howling inaccuracies on his game tape. If he's an NFL quarterback at all, and I'm really not sure if he is, it will be as a developmental guy with a coach who's patient enough to smooth out all the wrinkles” Others: “Southern Utah's Brad Sorensen helped himself as much as anyone in this environment by matching some of the more well-known quarterbacks with his own performance. He was generally accurate and showed a really nice touch on some of the passes in which he was asked to sail the ball deep.” “Minnesota's MarQueis Gray surprised some people who thought he should switch to receiver at the NFL level. He was more accurate on his intermediate and deep throws than some of the more "elite" prospects.” None of this is comforting. It does not sound like any of them are even worth a gamble on a 2nd round pick, much less a 1st. I’m beginning to think we should be planning on getting our “Franchise” QB next year and using a later round pick on one of the others like Sorensen or Gray. Does anyone know much about either of them? If it is such a gamble on all of them, why not gamble on the lower stakes choices and hope to win. Why waste good picks on such huge gambles when there are so many high odds players at other positions in this years draft. I still think the best hope for the Bill’s this year is to be able to trade down, if they get the opportunity, to the mid 1st and get at least an extra 2nd round pick. Get our LB/WR and use the year to prepare to challenge next year with a top QB pick with a supporting cast already in place to help him actually succeed. I completely agree anyone who watched these QB's knows that there is not a top 15 guy in the bunch. There are some outstanding WR's, LB's, D Lineman and O lineman as well. Truly gifted all pro types that the Bills would have to pass on the draft a QB. Heck there are even three TE that are going to start in the NFL for sure. The Bills need to go BPA at a position of need with the number one pick. Perhaps even the first two picks. And lord knows they have multiple needs. Next year there are some really interesting guys coming out at QB. They need a 3-5 year plan not a one year plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybee Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Maybe we can make a run for Matt Flynn ? To be honest I haven't seen a lot of Matt Flynn. If Marrone thinks he's decent it'd be silly to go for any of these guys in the draft....if they suck as bad as everyone seems to think. Matt Flynn. No ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 And hundreds of NFL failures. Sounds like Alex Van Pelt and Ryan Fitzpatrick and.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 (edited) I have a nagging feeling that Tyler Wilson will end up being the best QB out of this draft. He's my guy. Been saying it all along. Bottom line, you can look at comments like this about every QB in every draft class since they started doing this thing and none of them- save for Andrew Luck and Peyton Manning- had no question marks. Imagine what myst have been said about Tom Brady! With my limited insight, I still think that it will go Smith-Barkley-Wilson, with Barkley going to Arizona and the Bills taking Wilson, if not at 8, then later in the first round. I do not think he will make it out of round 1. Ahh screw it, I'm calling it right now: Patterson in the 1st, Tyler Bray in the 2nd. Why the f*** not? Edited February 26, 2013 by metzelaars_lives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 All QB's stocks are slipping, leaving plenty for the ones passing in the first round, and then the Bills select Dysert in the 3rd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simpleman Posted February 26, 2013 Author Share Posted February 26, 2013 Who the heck is Doug Farrar, and what has he done in life that qualifies him as an elite draft scout? Not a darn thing from what I can find on the guy! Why do you guys read crap from a Seattle beat writer and think it is the gospel. How a bout we wait until Mayock or the two ESPN draftniks to put out their formal 2 cents after the combine. Everything this dufas stated about Nassib is almost the opposite from what I'm hearing on the NFL network from ex GM's He does not say what you want to hear, therefore he is a DUFUS. Well Maycock agreed about Smith. "I want to bang the table because I want to like Geno Smith," Mayock said. "But there's just too many inconsistencies on tape for me to say that Kansas City or anyone that high should take him." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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