swnybillsfan Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 Why wouldn't Barkley and other qbs sandbag their Bills workout. Even if these guys loved buffalo as a city the Ralph is not a passers ballpark. ego and pride. to be able to prosper where others perish. to not only do what nobody else wants to do, but to do it great. and finally, to become a folk hero and living legend to an entire community. if any of these people are motivated by old-school values rather than just the money, then maybe one man will realize that if he could bring a championship to buffalo, his legend would be passed down reverently for countless generations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 Furthering that concept, if you somehow think it is wrong, name a QB that isn't Wilson or Brady who was drafted outside the top 36 picks in the last 27 years who became an Elite starter. The percentages I quoted were not opinions.....they were the facts. Â 1. How did you define "elite"? 2. What was the prospective rationale behind extending to pick #36? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybee Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 to be able to prosper where others perish. to not only do what nobody else wants to do, but to do it great. and finally, to become a folk hero and living legend to an entire community. if any of these people are motivated by old-school values rather than just the money, then maybe one man will realize that if he could bring a championship to buffalo, his legend would be passed down reverently for countless generations. Â Well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockinon Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Check This. Â Stevie is at a Duck's hockey game with Matt. You think they tossed the ball around? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark80 Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 One dude looks way out of place in that picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean Cain Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 I don't like Barkley. Maybe Stevie can go chill with Geno & get him to pull an Eli. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zevo Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Maybe it is just me...but doesn't this scream interesting...Stevie hanging with Barkley....maybe bills staff told Stevie to go get a feel for him cuz he is their guy....I don't know..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Fitzbarkley! Â PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM57 Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Interesting life Stevie lives. He was just at a Sharks game/meeting up with Logan Couture a week or two ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 It's just like when Jim Kelly had dinner with Tebow   CBF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 No more bearded QBs in Buffalo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Fitzbarkley! Â PTR Ok that made me laugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Fitzbarkley! Â PTR Barkbeardy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leelee Phoenix Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 If I had to take a QB in this class, and I really don't, I'd take Barkley. Great leader for the Trojans. Very knowledgeable about the game, and proved it in a "pro" offense at USC. But, he lacks accuracy and velocity on difficult throws. At best, you're getting a Dalton type with him. Â ego and pride. to be able to prosper where others perish. to not only do what nobody else wants to do, but to do it great. and finally, to become a folk hero and living legend to an entire community. if any of these people are motivated by old-school values rather than just the money, then maybe one man will realize that if he could bring a championship to buffalo, his legend would be passed down reverently for countless generations. It's funny that the one QB who has this ridiculous legendary status is Jim Kelly. Who is about the money more than anyone. He even robbed from local businesses, and nobody bats an eye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosmo Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Saying there hasn't been any good QBs from USC is such a stupid argument, name a good QB from Tennessee before Peyton Manning or one from Purdue before Drew Brees, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Saying there hasn't been any good QBs from USC is such a stupid argument, name a good QB from Tennessee before Peyton Manning or one from Purdue before Drew Brees, etc. Â Poz will be awesome because PSU is a LINEBACKER FACTORY!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibs Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 1. How did you define "elite"? 2. What was the prospective rationale behind extending to pick #36? Â 1. Great question......impossible to define. For the sake of the studies I did, I set a bar of 4+ pro-bowl appearances......but you can't really define it. An elite QB is one who is consistently very, very good. For the sake of the discussion, one can actually be a bit liberal as the best QBs to be selected after the #36 pick are QBs like Hasslebeck & Marc Bulger who nobody could possibly consider to be elite QBs. The only one that comes close(and might fit the mold) would be Matt Schaub.....and if he is, can be added to the list.....bringing the total number of elite QBs drafted outside of the top 36 in the last 28+ years to two. Â 2. I initially had the number at 33 as Brett Favre was the #33 pick. I decided to change to saying the top #36 to avoid arguments over the concept that people will definitely prematurely call Kaepernick elite. Either way, the percent chance that the NFL scouts miss the potential of an elite QB & he slips past the very early stages of the 2nd round are remote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 (edited) If you guys are gonna base your argument that Barkley or Nassib are Brees' match on statistics, then I can't argue with you.  The most significant of Brees' stats I can point to is that when he graduated from Purdue, he held the Big Ten record for passing yards and TD passes.  But it's Brees' non-statistical accomplishments as a player that place him high above Barkley and Nassib.  Brees resuscitated a moribund Purdue program and led them to their first Rose Bowl appearance in 24 years. With coach Joe Tiller he resurrected a Purdue program which had become a laughingstock in the Big Ten.  For the 12 seasons before Drew Brees got to Purdue, the program had losing records. Twelve straight seasons as losers.  In the 4 years Brees was at Purdue, they had a record of 33-16. After 12 straight losing records.  And after he left they were never again as good.  Brees won the Maxwell Award as college football best player. Neither Barkley or Nassib ever won this award.  He won the Davey O'Brien Award as the nation's best quarterback. Neither Barkley or Nassib ever won this award.  Brees finished 4th and 3rd in the Heisman voting. Barkley finished 6th two seasons ago. Unless I'm mistaken, Nassib was never on the Heisman radar.  Twice Brees was named Big Ten Offensive Player of the Year.  Brees was also the MVP in both the Alamo Bowl and the Outback Bowl.  Only statistics could make the case that Barkley or Nassib's careers approached that of Drew Brees'.  SJB, please understand that I'm not in anyway suggesting that Barkley will even come close to Brees or pounding the table that Bills need to draft him. I just think a lot of folks are overlooking a very good college career and I think the kid can be a player in this league. He played at USC during sanctions and lost scholarships (not to mention other recruits who went other places because of the penalties). I also believe Lane Kiffin is a giant handicap.  And the thing I truly hate is the USC comparison. Barkley is about as different a person as there could be from Leinart or Sanchez. http://www.usctrojan.../120412aab.html  I have no idea how he will be in the pros. I do know that the Bills haven't draft a QB with his resume since Kelly.  Saying there hasn't been any good QBs from USC is such a stupid argument, name a good QB from Tennessee before Peyton Manning or one from Purdue before Drew Brees, etc.  Heath Shuler was a bust, thus Peyton Manning will be a bust. Simple mathematics.  Al Fronzak mock has Barkley to the Bills: 8. Buffalo Bills - QB Matt Barkley (USC)...The Bills number one priority is to find a potential franchise QB in this draft...they can't gamble that the QB they are targeting will still be available in the second round, since several other teams are looking to draft a young QB...*Note - The Bills are also said to be high on FSU QB EJ Manuel, Syracuse QB Ryan Nassib and Arkansas QB Tyler Wilson as both GM Buddy Nix and Asst. GM Doug Whaley were both present at Wilson's pro day workout in Fayettville. Team Needs- QB, WR, TE, ILB, OLB, CB; Offense - West Coast up-tempo, Zone blocking. Defense- 3-4 hybrid, press man coverage  http://www.eastcoast...Mock_Draft.html   And I found this tidbit...from former Oregon coach Chip Kelly about playing Luck and Barkley in 2011  "I also qualified that and said I'm not saying he's better than Andrew Luck. I'm not saying Andrew Luck is better than him. In the game against the Ducks, the best quarterback performance in the 11 games we've played was Matt Barkley." - Chip Kelly  http://latimesblogs....ne-respect.html  Exactly. I remember that game. Barkley was amazing but their defense couldn't stop Oregon. http://espn.go.com/c...22/matt-barkley 35-54, 484 yards, 5 tds, 2 ints, 51 points but because his team lost, he deserves all the blame. Edited March 21, 2013 by C.Biscuit97 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DasNootz Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 1. How did you define "elite"? 2. What was the prospective rationale behind extending to pick #36? Kurt Warner for a period Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffaloed in Pa Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 He can make all the throws.Yes his deep ball is deadly. I know he has as much arm strength as the great Jim Kelly. Because Jims arm to be truthfull was not as strong as some youngsters on here believe. He threw for 11tds and only1int against Marrone.I think he remembers. This in two games. 5 last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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