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He guys. happy New Year!!!!

Now that the season is over, I would like some opinions on CJ Spiller. He is a dynamic player who can score from just about anywhere on the field. During the season we kept asking for MORE CJ. I get it and I agree. My question is, how do we use CJ to get the most out of his talents? My thoughts quickly turn to how the Chargers and Saints used Sproles in there system. I just don't see CJ as an everydown RB in the way Freddy, Peterson, or Foster are used. To me, CJ was at his best when Freddy established the run and CJ was brought in and that change of pace caught defenders by suprise with that speed. To me, he cannot be our everydown back. I really love how the Chargers and Saints used him and his explosiveness. He can't be depended on to block in pass protection(I really don't want him pass blocking anyway) like a traditional back. Any thoughts would be great.

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CJ was at his best this year when Fred was injured; the notion of him being a "change of pace" back is a falsehood. CJ may not be able to handle 25 carries per game, but he is far too talented to not get a minimum of 20 touches.

 

Next season I'd like to see Freddy as the "change of pace" back or the guy you give the ball to on 3rd and 1, and we need an OC who can actually get them both on the field concurrently.

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He guys. happy New Year!!!!

Now that the season is over, I would like some opinions on CJ Spiller. He is a dynamic player who can score from just about anywhere on the field. During the season we kept asking for MORE CJ. I get it and I agree. My question is, how do we use CJ to get the most out of his talents? My thoughts quickly turn to how the Chargers and Saints used Sproles in there system. I just don't see CJ as an everydown RB in the way Freddy, Peterson, or Foster are used. To me, CJ was at his best when Freddy established the run and CJ was brought in and that change of pace caught defenders by suprise with that speed. To me, he cannot be our everydown back. I really love how the Chargers and Saints used him and his explosiveness. He can't be depended on to block in pass protection(I really don't want him pass blocking anyway) like a traditional back. Any thoughts would be great.

Not worth thinking about until they name a coach and an offensive coordinator and find out what type of offense they run. I agree with the thought that he can't be an every down back, and should be on the sideline when it is whatever down and short and a run up the gut is called for. They need to get him in space and he can be the best back in the league. If he is used as a normal every down back like a Steven Jackson or Ray Rice he will either get hurt or run out of gas.
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I have not even seen this mentioned on here. Everyone wants CJ to be "the guy" and get all the carries and doesn't Fred etc. Well, CJ got his chance against the Jets and had 24 carries for 59 yards. The only good play he had was on the pass from Fitz that he ran with. Everyone was so freaked out over the Fish game, where he had some good runs, but finished 23 carries for 91 yard or so.

 

This tells me he is not "the guy" that can get the bulk of the carries. He needs another guy like Fred to pound and then come in and get the big runs. He can be very effective as long as he not the only guy in there running between the tackles.

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CJ was at his best this year when Fred was injured; the notion of him being a "change of pace" back is a falsehood. CJ may not be able to handle 25 carries per game, but he is far too talented to not get a minimum of 20 touches.

 

Next season I'd like to see Freddy as the "change of pace" back or the guy you give the ball to on 3rd and 1, and we need an OC who can actually get them both on the field concurrently.

I agree he needs more touches, it's the types of touches he gets that has me concerned. Sproles gets plenty of touches, it seems he gets his touches in the non-traditional plays that a RB gets his touches, screens, etc. We can't just run him up the gut to get the touches. Thanks for the input.

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CJ was at his best this year when Fred was injured; the notion of him being a "change of pace" back is a falsehood. CJ may not be able to handle 25 carries per game, but he is far too talented to not get a minimum of 20 touches.

 

Next season I'd like to see Freddy as the "change of pace" back or the guy you give the ball to on 3rd and 1, and we need an OC who can actually get them both on the field concurrently.

 

couldn't have said it better. :thumbsup:

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Not worth thinking about until they name a coach and an offensive coordinator and find out what type of offense they run. I agree with the thought that he can't be an every down back, and should be on the sideline when it is whatever down and short and a run up the gut is called for. They need to get him in space and he can be the best back in the league. If he is used as a normal every down back like a Steven Jackson or Ray Rice he will either get hurt or run out of gas.

Thanks. more in my line of thinking. Having said that, do we stay with Freddy or do we look for a younger traditional type of RB? Freddy has ended the last 2 seasons on IR.

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I have not even seen this mentioned on here. Everyone wants CJ to be "the guy" and get all the carries and doesn't Fred etc. Well, CJ got his chance against the Jets and had 24 carries for 59 yards. The only good play he had was on the pass from Fitz that he ran with. Everyone was so freaked out over the Fish game, where he had some good runs, but finished 23 carries for 91 yard or so.

 

This tells me he is not "the guy" that can get the bulk of the carries. He needs another guy like Fred to pound and then come in and get the big runs. He can be very effective as long as he not the only guy in there running between the tackles.

 

I haven't seen anyone (including myself) suggest CJ should be a "pound it up the gut" RB, but to suggest he shouldn't touch the ball as much as possible is foolish.

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We use him in a trade for multiple first round picks since so many 'experts' have called him the best RB in the league and hope some GM believes the same thing. He was good in relief getting large average number of yards because how he was used but the more times he is used, the more ordinary he looks like.

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CJ was at his best this year when Fred was injured; the notion of him being a "change of pace" back is a falsehood. CJ may not be able to handle 25 carries per game, but he is far too talented to not get a minimum of 20 touches.

 

Next season I'd like to see Freddy as the "change of pace" back or the guy you give the ball to on 3rd and 1, and we need an OC who can actually get them both on the field concurrently.

You hit it right on the head. CJ is an every down back and so is freddy. CJ is more dynamic so he should touch it more than Fred. And all the talk of a dual backfield never got established. They just took carries from away from each other.

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Thanks. more in my line of thinking. Having said that, do we stay with Freddy or do we look for a younger traditional type of RB? Freddy has ended the last 2 seasons on IR.

I say we keep Fred and also bring in another RB who is more on par talent level with Fred and CJ than Choice. Fred and CJ both got hurt this year. We need more depth. don't necessarily think we need to draft anyone. Get a FA. Buddy found J Bell 3 years ago. Find another guy like that.

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Thanks. more in my line of thinking. Having said that, do we stay with Freddy or do we look for a younger traditional type of RB? Freddy has ended the last 2 seasons on IR.

I think you keep Fred and draft a back maybe in the 4th round or so. Freddy has been on the IR but not the nagging type of injuries, but the freakish ones that could happen to anyone. It has been 2 and a half months, and I still don't believe how quick he came back from the injury in the opening game against the Jets, i thought he was a goner looking at that hit.
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For those of you who use the Jets game as your body of evidence to say that CJ can't be "the guy", then explain to me what the Jets did to limit him in that game. I saw a Jets D focused completely on stopping CJ and gave up some big pass plays because of it. Besides, the O-line struggled mightily to run block in that game and who won again? With competent QB play I would welcome any defense to load up and stop CJ at the line of scrimmage if it opens up the passing game and we win. If he gets 180 yards on the ground and we lose, what good is that? The Jets sold out to stop the run which opened up the field down the stretch. I personally could care less what a win looks like as long as it's a win. When CJ is on the field every defensive player has to be alert to where he is at all times. No other offensive player on this team warrants that, it's not even close. So why have him on the sideline if he isn't hurt?

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Everyone here seems to think CJ was misused by Gailey but CJ absolutely loved the way Gailey used him and couldnt stop gushing about how the play design and use of him this year allowed him to run better than any time in his life, including college. I would have liked to have seen a couple more carries a game, but I think CJ knows and basically said himself he was used correctly. We need Freddy back. CJ should start obviously and be the focal part of the offense. But he is very likely more effective with 20 touches a game than 25.

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I have not even seen this mentioned on here. Everyone wants CJ to be "the guy" and get all the carries and doesn't Fred etc. Well, CJ got his chance against the Jets and had 24 carries for 59 yards. The only good play he had was on the pass from Fitz that he ran with. Everyone was so freaked out over the Fish game, where he had some good runs, but finished 23 carries for 91 yard or so.

 

This tells me he is not "the guy" that can get the bulk of the carries. He needs another guy like Fred to pound and then come in and get the big runs. He can be very effective as long as he not the only guy in there running between the tackles.

 

With a QB who can stretch the field, it should open more room for Spiller.

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Spiller should not see more than 300 carries in a season.

But he should get 80+ receptions.

 

He could be great like Marshall Faulk but needs the supporting cast.

 

380 / 16 = 23.75 touches per game. I think we're all on board with that.

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I have not even seen this mentioned on here. Everyone wants CJ to be "the guy" and get all the carries and doesn't Fred etc. Well, CJ got his chance against the Jets and had 24 carries for 59 yards. The only good play he had was on the pass from Fitz that he ran with. Everyone was so freaked out over the Fish game, where he had some good runs, but finished 23 carries for 91 yard or so.

 

This tells me he is not "the guy" that can get the bulk of the carries. He needs another guy like Fred to pound and then come in and get the big runs. He can be very effective as long as he not the only guy in there running between the tackles.

 

 

Twice this year, Adrian Peterson had games where he gained 86 yards on 25 carries...as well as three or four others with almost equally modest numbers. When a team puts 8 - 9 men in the box to stop the run, they can generally stop the run. Particularly when they have absolutely no fear of the passing game

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http://www.footballdocs.com/running_back_carries.html

 

380 is actually pretty high for today's NFL. Excerpt from linked article:

 

Through the 2011 season and out of the 24 running backs in the history of the league with 370 or more carries in season, in the very next season of play, 18 experienced a significant decline in fantasy production, 4 tore their ACL, and 6 effectively had their career ended. Only Eric Dickerson, Walter Payton, and LaDainian Tomlinson did not show any real effect or drop-off in fantasy point production in the season following their 370+ carry season.

 

Stop and think about the names of Dickerson, Payton, and Tomlinson for a minute. They are arguably the best backs to ever play the game. The other 21 backs listed aren't exactly slouches and represent some of the creme of the crop in the history of the NFL.

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No idea why Gailey didn't use Spiller more as a WR considering the lack of talent in the WRs on this team. Imagine the Bills offense with Lynch the main RB (like Seattle), Jackson the 3rd down back like Sproles in NO and Spiller as the option WR. Just move the guy around as WR / RB to drive defenses crazy trying to keep him covered.

 

But give him at least 20+ touches a game. It was almost criminal to watch Gailey only giving Spiller 7 touches a game.

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I have not even seen this mentioned on here. Everyone wants CJ to be "the guy" and get all the carries and doesn't Fred etc. Well, CJ got his chance against the Jets and had 24 carries for 59 yards. The only good play he had was on the pass from Fitz that he ran with. Everyone was so freaked out over the Fish game, where he had some good runs, but finished 23 carries for 91 yard or so.

 

This tells me he is not "the guy" that can get the bulk of the carries. He needs another guy like Fred to pound and then come in and get the big runs. He can be very effective as long as he not the only guy in there running between the tackles.

 

This is my exact opinion.

 

It's clear that CJ can be productive. But he's not an every down back.

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Unless you want our future QB killed or just his brains scrambled, CJ has to get a whole lot better at reading and picking up the blitz and overall pass protection. Teams want to be able to setup the run with the pass and the pass with the run and the reason Chan would use Fred back there and keep CJ on the bench is that Spiller while undoubtably the better pure running back threw the most craptastic "look-out" blocks I have ever seen when in pass protection.

 

Out of Chan's single back multi-receiver formations the back has got to be able to pick up the odd blitzer and still be a threat running the ball, and that is why Spiller spent as much time warming the bench as he did, though I am sure Gailey was trying to keep peace in the locker room as well by keeping the veteran Jackson involved in the game plan.

 

If Spiller can improve that one area of his game he will go a long way to solidifying his star role and the support of the next Bills QB.

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I'd love for both CJ and FJ to spend some time in the backfield together. Try to get CJ isolated via motion out of the backfield on a linebacker and let him either draw additional coverage or use his isolated coverage to create big play opportunities.

 

Plus you line him out wide and motion him back into the backfield to create lots of shifting within the defense opening up other favorable matchups a good offensive coach can exploit.

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He guys. happy New Year!!!!

Now that the season is over, I would like some opinions on CJ Spiller. He is a dynamic player who can score from just about anywhere on the field. During the season we kept asking for MORE CJ. I get it and I agree. My question is, how do we use CJ to get the most out of his talents? My thoughts quickly turn to how the Chargers and Saints used Sproles in there system. I just don't see CJ as an everydown RB in the way Freddy, Peterson, or Foster are used. To me, CJ was at his best when Freddy established the run and CJ was brought in and that change of pace caught defenders by suprise with that speed. To me, he cannot be our everydown back. I really love how the Chargers and Saints used him and his explosiveness. He can't be depended on to block in pass protection(I really don't want him pass blocking anyway) like a traditional back. Any thoughts would be great.

You hit the nail on the head.

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CJ is the feature back. FJ can spell him when he is tired. Put them in together and let CJ play as a WR. Chan has gradually brought him along brilliantly.

If CJ can get a little stronger and improve his endurance I think he can handle a bigger work load. I would like to see 2000 yards rushing next year if the right OC comes in and our OLine can stay healthy.

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I have not even seen this mentioned on here. Everyone wants CJ to be "the guy" and get all the carries and doesn't Fred etc. Well, CJ got his chance against the Jets and had 24 carries for 59 yards. The only good play he had was on the pass from Fitz that he ran with. Everyone was so freaked out over the Fish game, where he had some good runs, but finished 23 carries for 91 yard or so.

 

This tells me he is not "the guy" that can get the bulk of the carries. He needs another guy like Fred to pound and then come in and get the big runs. He can be very effective as long as he not the only guy in there running between the tackles.

 

That will change when you get a decent QB who puts fear on the opposing defense with the ability to make a long play. When Spiller is your only weapon, then the opponents are going to stack the line.

 

CJ is the feature back. FJ can spell him when he is tired. Put them in together and let CJ play as a WR. Chan has gradually brought him along brilliantly.

If CJ can get a little stronger and improve his endurance I think he can handle a bigger work load. I would like to see 2000 yards rushing next year if the right OC comes in and our OLine can stay healthy.

 

If Norv Turner is the OC, I can see Spiller enjoy a great season with him

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