Don't look now, but Fitzpatrick is tied for 9th in the NFL in TD&#

[ReturnoftheBuffaloBeast23]

He's also had the 3rd most turnovers in the last 2 seasons.

 

http://m.espn.go.com...storyId=8718318

 

Its an article about Sanchez but the stat is in there.

 

Fitz is better then Edwards who was better then Losman who was better then Rob Johnson. None of which were as good as Kelly, Flutie, Bledsoe or even Frank Reich

 

NICE!

Edited December 6, 2012 by ReturnoftheBuffaloBeast23

[peterpan]

How many TD passes do you think Tebow would've had for us the last three seasons?

I dont know about past seasons, but this season, probably 10-12, with an equal amount of rushing TDs.

 

Here's the problem, if he could throw the ball more than ten yards down the field he'd have 40.

Edited December 6, 2012 by peterpan

[ny33]

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8716988/nfl-league-best-worst-qb-values

 

Fitz isn't on either list. Luck and Wilson are listed as the two most underpaid QBs; Rivers and Vick are the most overpaid.

[cantankerous]

Only Bills fans can make dog shi*t seem like trash... Either way I don't want it and neither should you....

 

No matter how anyone tries to rationalize Fitzpatrick. He's horrible. He makes clutch plays...for the opposition.

[1billsfan]

Here's the problem, if he could throw the ball more than ten yards down the field he'd have 40.

 

 

I'm getting more than a little tired of the constant Fitzpatrick bashing here.

 

12 games have been played. The Bills are 16th in points scored and 4th in points scored against.

[JPS]

I'm getting more than a little tired of the constant Fitzpatrick bashing here.

 

12 games have been played. The Bills are 16th in points scored and 4th in points scored against.

 

And will, again pick 11th. I'm just getting tired of the Fitzpatrick discussion. He is what he is. He is, by all measures, just okay.

[DE Bills Fan]

Fitz sucks. We will never win with him. Draft Landry Jones!!!! That stat is not indictive of wins and losses

[FreakPop]

I'm getting more than a little tired of the constant Fitzpatrick bashing here.

 

12 games have been played. The Bills are 16th in points scored and 4th in points scored against.

 

I agree 100% with you #1. You can't argue with ignorance.

 

Before this season if people were asked if they would take 3500+ yards 25+ TDs 15+ Ints and about 25 sacks from the QB and an offense that scores about 25 points per game, I guarantee you about 90%+ of Bills fans would have signed up for that.

[1billsfan]

And will, again pick 11th. I'm just getting tired of the Fitzpatrick discussion. He is what he is. He is, by all measures, just okay.

 

Exactly. We ALL know that the Bills are going to bring someone in here through FA, or a trade or by the draft this coming offseason. That is, unless Fitzpatrick looks unreal in these last four games.

[Dean Cain]

If Fitz could throw a ton of high floaters up in the air and have the receiver come down with them (think SJ13 vs Pittsburgh, Donald Jones 2 recent drops, etc) then he'd have another 10-15 touchdowns.

 

Look at Andy Dalton he gets to throw to AJ Green & Jermaine Gresham, 2 guys who are hands down superior to our top WR & TE.

 

Get Fitz, or whoever will be our QB more weapons.

[CardinalScotts]

Here's the problem, if he could throw the ball more than ten yards down the field he'd have 40.

or if his recievers would quit dropping the damn thing......Johnson Jones Chandler

[Mr. WEO]

reactions are different as Mario's playing at an all pro level (post wrist surgery). and fitz is out there looking inept vs paper defenses like Indy with the season on the line.

 

to steal a line from the most hated statements thread it is what it is

 

"Paper defenses", huh? Not like those awesome offenses of Cleveland, Arizona Miami and Jacksonville that Mario padded his sack totals against. But yes, it's true--Mario's emergence a an "all pro" has allowed the Bills to decrease the number of points they gave up in the 3 losses since the bye to 26, bringing their average down to 4 TDs a game for the season.

[bobobonators]

Fitz sucks. We will never win with him. Draft Landry Jones!!!! That stat is not indictive of wins and losses

 

no single player stat is indicative of W/L - but again, TD's are pretty damn important.

[Alphadawg7]

I'd say football is rather simple: Score TD's on offense; Prevent TD's on Defense. I'd say it's pretty important...not the be all end all, but it's high up there..lol

 

Its also pretty important to stop cherry picking stats to protect a losing QB. First off, he had some nice pads in blowout losses to those stats.

 

Most importantly, WATCH the games because this is a guy who misses wide open players all the time unless its under 10 yards. If its under 10 yards, he completes, but far too often puts the ball in a place so inaccurately that the receiving player can not make a play on the ball and we kill a drive...again.

 

Not to mention, Fitz plays in Gaileys unbelievably pass happy offense, so by default, his stats will inflate. I mean Tyler Thigpen (who everyone agrees isnt even a good backup let alone a good QB) ranked 13th in TD's and won just ONE game with Gailey in 2008. Sound familiar with Gailey, the win column, and the QB TD total?

 

How about his INT's? Yeah, left that off didnt you...he tied for 10th and has had about a dozen others dropped...not to mention 5 more fumbles.

 

How about his QBR, which is by the far the best indicator of a QB's effectiveness statistically wise to date. Its not perfect, but its the best stat out there right now. His QBR ranks him 25th...I see you left that off your post.

 

I want to say I cant believe how people still try and validate him as a good (or even more crazy Elite like PromoTheRobot was this weekend) QB in this league...but I cant say that, because I am not at all surprised after watching the same lame excuses being made for guys like JP and Trent for so many years despite them PROVING on the field of play consistently, that they are just not good enough.

[Maury Ballstein]

"Paper defenses", huh? Not like those awesome offenses of Cleveland, Arizona Miami and Jacksonville that Mario padded his sack totals against. But yes, it's true--Mario's emergence a an "all pro" has allowed the Bills to decrease the number of points they gave up in the 3 losses since the bye to 26, bringing their average down to 4 TDs a game for the season.

 

fair enough. fitz is the answer! he is on fire! extend his contract and lets get this train moving! lindell will love this development.

[bobobonators]

Its also pretty important to stop cherry picking stats to protect a losing QB. First off, he had some nice pads in blowout losses to those stats.

 

Most importantly, WATCH the games because this is a guy who misses wide open players all the time unless its under 10 yards. If its under 10 yards, he completes, but far too often puts the ball in a place so inaccurately that the receiving player can not make a play on the ball and we kill a drive...again.

 

Not to mention, Fitz plays in Gaileys unbelievably pass happy offense, so by default, his stats will inflate. I mean Tyler Thigpen (who everyone agrees isnt even a good backup let alone a good QB) ranked 13th in TD's and won just ONE game with Gailey in 2008. Sound familiar with Gailey, the win column, and the QB TD total?

 

How about his INT's? Yeah, left that off didnt you...he tied for 10th and has had about a dozen others dropped...not to mention 5 more fumbles.

 

How about his QBR, which is by the far the best indicator of a QB's effectiveness statistically wise to date. Its not perfect, but its the best stat out there right now. His QBR ranks him 25th...I see you left that off your post.

 

I want to say I cant believe how people still try and validate him as a good (or even more crazy Elite like PromoTheRobot was this weekend) QB in this league...but I cant say that, because I am not at all surprised after watching the same lame excuses being made for guys like JP and Trent for so many years despite them PROVING on the field of play consistently, that they are just not good enough.

 

LMAO..how am I "cherry picking" stats? The stat is WHAT IT IS. If you want to create a thread about his QBR, why not go ahead and create one. The stat is simple: tied for 9th in the NFL in TD's. How many players on this team are in the top 10 in ANY positive category? Or are freaking TOUCHDOWNS not a positive category now? Because from the posters on this board, apparently scoring TD's is overrated now.

Edited December 6, 2012 by bobobonators

[ReturnoftheBuffaloBeast23]

or if his recievers would quit dropping the damn thing......Johnson Jones Chandler

 

To be honest i've seen way more spectacular catches from those guys because of terrible throws than drops... If your honest with yourself you'd agree...

[Alphadawg7]

I really think its a result of Gaileys offense more than quality QB play.

 

I mean really, its evident we don't have quality QB play.

 

THIS ^^^^^^^^^^ Does anyone even realize that Gailey got 18TD's (tied for 13th in the NFL) out of Thigpen in 2008 as a starter in KC? And no one here even thinks Thigpen is a good backup, let alone a starter. It should also be said that KC won just ONE game that year. People look at Ftiz's TD totals like in some other threads and try and use that as a gauge of he is good, yet totally ignore that he has the 3rd most turnovers of any QB in the NFL the last 2 years as a full time starter, has an atrocious QBR, an embarrassing win/loss record over his career, is woefully inconsistent, incredibly inaccurate, and throws one of the worst deep ball throwers of all the starting QB's.

 

People need to start realizing that in Chans system, he will get TD production from just about any QB he trots out there and that does not prove the QB is a good QB.

[KOKBILLS]

Fitz's stats have not been terrible dating back to the beginning of last season...He's a streaky player who can have great moments, and terrible moments, sometimes in the same half...He's currently 18th in the NFL in traditional QB Rating, and 25th in the newer Total QB Rating...You numb-skulls can come up with any way you want to defend Fitz...He's not good enough...It simply does not hold up most Sunday's...

 

So I'll say this again...And I know some folks around here disagree...But if you can't tell by watching him that Fitz is not good enough, maybe commenting or evaluating NFL QB's is just not your thing...

 

It's OK...Nobody is good at everything...

Edited December 6, 2012 by KOKBILLS

[Alphadawg7]

LMAO..how am I "cherry picking" stats? The stat is WHAT IT IS. If you want to create a thread about his QBR, why not go ahead and create one. The stat is simple: tied for 9th in the NFL in TD's. How many players on this team are in the top 10 in ANY positive category? Or are freaking TOUCHDOWNS not a positive category now? Because from the posters on this board, apparently scoring TD's is overrated now.

 

Yes TD TOTALS ARE OVERRATED, especially in any system run by Chan. How important were the 3 TD's Fitz threw in week 1? You know, when his turnovers led to a 41-3 deficit to the lowly Jets and then when they went soft prevent he finally got some garbage TD's. How about Fitzs 4 TD's against NE...how important were they in that blow out loss. Wow, he had 7 total TD's in 2 key divisional games...must mean he is the man right? Or is it more important that when the game was in reach he was throwing INTS instead of TD's and that 4 of those 7 TD's came in the fourth quarter at a point where we were down huge and the game was all but over.

 

HMM...so I wonder what is more important...those vastly important TD totals of 7 in 2 games, or those pesky INT's of 7 (with a fumble on top of that) and countless missed opportunities and stalled drives in the same games?

 

But, no, you must be right...its gotta be the TD totals because clearly that shows it all. Interesting that if take those 2 games out where more than half of the TD's had no relevance what so ever, his TD production is quite bad. But hey, doesnt matter, because he got those worthless ones and his total is padded. So who cares that he is the 25th ranked QB in terms of efficiency...who cares he has 10th most INTs and 5 more fumbles...who cares he has the 3rd most turnovers in the NFL in his 2 years as the unquestioned starter...who cares he missed as usual wide open Spiller and Jones for easy TD's last week...because all that matters is that he is 9th in TDs.

Edited December 6, 2012 by Alphadawg7

[Mr. WEO]

Its also pretty important to stop cherry picking stats to protect a losing QB. First off, he had some nice pads in blowout losses to those stats.

 

Most importantly, WATCH the games because this is a guy who misses wide open players all the time unless its under 10 yards. If its under 10 yards, he completes, but far too often puts the ball in a place so inaccurately that the receiving player can not make a play on the ball and we kill a drive...again.

 

Not to mention, Fitz plays in Gaileys unbelievably pass happy offense, so by default, his stats will inflate. I mean Tyler Thigpen (who everyone agrees isnt even a good backup let alone a good QB) ranked 13th in TD's and won just ONE game with Gailey in 2008. Sound familiar with Gailey, the win column, and the QB TD total?

 

How about his INT's? Yeah, left that off didnt you...he tied for 10th and has had about a dozen others dropped...not to mention 5 more fumbles.

 

How about his QBR, which is by the far the best indicator of a QB's effectiveness statistically wise to date. Its not perfect, but its the best stat out there right now. His QBR ranks him 25th...I see you left that off your post.

 

I want to say I cant believe how people still try and validate him as a good (or even more crazy Elite like PromoTheRobot was this weekend) QB in this league...but I cant say that, because I am not at all surprised after watching the same lame excuses being made for guys like JP and Trent for so many years despite them PROVING on the field of play consistently, that they are just not good enough.

 

Gailey's "unbelievably pass happy offense" is in the bottom half of the league in pass attempts. Tough to "inflate" your stats when you are dropping back 31 times a game (19th).

 

And you left off your post that Fitz's mediocre QBR is within 3 points of Vick, Newton, Bradford, Flacco, and far better than Rivers's. You must conclude they suck also (I would agree on Vick).

[bobobonators]

Gailey's "unbelievably pass happy offense" is in the bottom half of the league in pass attempts. Tough to "inflate" your stats when you are dropping back 31 times a game (19th).

 

And you left off your post that Fitz's mediocre QBR is within 3 points of Vick, Newton, Bradford, Flacco, and far better than Rivers's. You must conclude they suck also (I would agree on Vick).

 

Exactly, Fitzpatrick has the FEWEST attempts of the guys in the top 10 for TD's. Fitz has 373 pass attempts. closest to Fitz is freeman with 388..carson palmer who Fitz is tied with has 503..drew brees in 1st has 492 attempts. The average is in the 420's.. Gailey's "pass happy" offfense.

Edited December 6, 2012 by bobobonators

[Homey D. Clown]

Damn!!! I looked....

[BuffBill]

Not bad for someone who ranks 18th in salary among NFL QB's:

 

1. Peyton Manning, Broncos - $19.2

2. Ben Roethlisberger, Steelers - $17

3. Michael Vick, Eagles - $16

4. Tom Brady, Patriots - $15.7

5. Eli Manning, Giants - $15.27

6. Drew Brees, Saints - $14.4 (Franchise Tagged in 2012)

7. Phillip Rivers, Chargers - $14.04

8. Sam Bradford, Rams - $13

9. Kevin Kolb, Cardinals - $12.6

10. Matthew Stafford, Lions - $12

11. Matt Ryan, Falcons - $12

12. Mark Sanchez, Jets - $11.64

13. Tony Romo, Cowboys - $11.17

14. Aaron Rodgers, Packers - $10.83

15. Carson Palmer, Raiders - $10.75

16. Matt Cassel, Chiefs - $10.5

17. Jay Cutler, Bears - $10

18. Ryan Fitzpatrick, Bills - $9.8

19. Matt Schaub, Texans - $8

20. Alex Smith, 49ers - $8 (new contract for 2012)

21. Matt Hasselbeck, Titans - $6.67

22. Matt Flynn, Seahawks - $6.5

23. Joe Flacco, Ravens - $6

24. Andrew Luck, Colts - $5.9

25. Cam Newton, Panthers - $5.5

26. Robert Griffin, Redskins - $5.4

27. Josh Freeman, Bucs - $5.2

28. Chad Henne, Jaguars - $3.38

29. David Garrard, Dolphins - $3.35

30. Brandon Weeden, Browns - $2.8

31. Christian Ponder, Vikings - $2.54

32. Andy Dalton, Bengals - $1.3

Stats are so overrated. The Jaguars were 1st in the NFL in scoring in the Red Zone-shows you how worthless stats are. Fitz has been underperforming for his contract since the day he ripped off the Bills and signed the extension. He is consistenly towards the top in interceptions and turnovers. Has more balls batted down in a season then most QBs do in a career. He makes the worst decisions at the most critical times. The majority of his stats are garbage time stats when they are way behind and the defense is giving him yardage. And how many of his TD's are for more then 25 yards, not many, and even those one are mostly all yards after the catch. No team will ever compete for a division with Fitz at the QB helm, he is one of the worst in the league. He might be a real nice guy with a monster size heart, but how many games will that win you? Not many-obviously. As far as your list of salaries, you state he is kinda low for his product? I would take at least 10 of the guys listed below him over him any day of the year. Edited December 6, 2012 by BuffBill

[bobobonators]

Stats are so overrated. The Jaguars were 1st in the NFL in scoring in the Red Zone-shows you how worthless stats are. Fitz has been underperforming for his contract since the day he ripped off the Bills and signed the extension. He is consistenly towards the top in interceptions and turnovers. Has more balls batted down in a season then most QBs do in a career. He makes the worst decisions at the most critical times. The majority of his stats are garbage time stats when they are way behind and the defense is giving him yardage. And how many of his TD's are for more then 25 yards, not many, and even those one are mostly all yards after the catch. No team will ever compete for a division with Fitz at the QB helm, he is one of the worst in the league. He might be a real nice guy with a monster size heart, but how many games will that win you? Not many-obviously.

 

I actually agree with you, that stat was worthless b/c if they only get to the red zone 3 times in 4 games and score all 3 times that's only 3 TD's in 4 games.

 

As for garbage time stats, tell me, how many game-changing sacks has Mario Williams had this season; how many garbage time rushing yds has CJ had...or Freddy...or TD's for Stevie? "garbage time" is nonsense..unless the score is 60-3, every minute of an NFL game counts - the other team is still trying to destroy you.

Edited December 6, 2012 by bobobonators

[Alphadawg7]

Gailey's "unbelievably pass happy offense" is in the bottom half of the league in pass attempts. Tough to "inflate" your stats when you are dropping back 31 times a game (19th).

 

And you left off your post that Fitz's mediocre QBR is within 3 points of Vick, Newton, Bradford, Flacco, and far better than Rivers's. You must conclude they suck also (I would agree on Vick).

 

You do realize by pass happy that means passes more than he runs. Did I say we lead the league in pass attempts? And guess what...if Fitz didnt also rank 3rd in turnovers the last 2 years, and could extend drives, we probably would lead the league in pass attempts. But you see, there is this pesky problem of needing to have the ball, keep it, and continue drives to attempt more passes.

 

Exactly, Fitzpatrick has the FEWEST attempts of the guys in the top 10 for TD's. Fitz has 373 pass attempts. closest to Fitz is freeman with 388..carson palmer who Fitz is tied with has 503..drew brees in 1st has 492 attempts. The average is in the 420's.. Gailey's "pass happy" offfense.

 

Again, this is classic you. You ignore every meaningful FACT presented to you and just reiterate the same stuff that was just proven to be irrelevant by the stuff you chose to ignore.

 

AGAIN I ask you...what was more important...the 7 TD's he threw in 2 blow out losses, 4 of which came during points of the game where the game was out of reach...or was it the 7 INT's and fumble he had in those same 2 divisional games at key parts of the game that heavily contributed to lop sided score? But I dont expect you to answer that once again because the only answer is the INTs but that disproves your desperate attempt to make Fitz look productive.

Edited December 6, 2012 by Alphadawg7

[bobobonators]

You do realize by pass happy that means passes more than he runs. Did I say we lead the league in pass attempts? And guess what...if Fitz didnt also rank 3rd in turnovers the last 2 years, and could extend drives, we probably would lead the league in pass attempts. But you see, there is this pesky problem of needing to have the ball, keep it, and continue drives to attempt more passes.

 

this is a two-way street, you also have to have your defense give you the ball back eventually. Where does the Bills Offense rank as opposed to the Defense in productivity? Yes, lets talk about "continuing" drives on offense vs. the defense "ending" drives for the opponent. Lets have that conversation.

[Alphadawg7]

this is a two-way street, you also have to have your defense give you the ball back eventually. Where does the Bills Offense rank as opposed to the Defense in productivity? Yes, lets talk about "continuing" drives on offense vs. the defense "ending" drives for the opponent. Lets have that conversation.

 

Why dont you finish the conversation presented to you. You refuse to even acknowledge those facts and now want to switch to talking about the Defense rather the Fitz's individual prodcution because you have ZERO defense of this other than to stand there and boast out "9th in total TD's". How about you answer the question I have now asked you twice...what mattered more...his 7 TD's, 4 of which were at the end of the games when the blowout was all but done, or the 7 INTs and additional fumble in those same games that occurred throughout the game when the game still mattered? I told you that you would again ignore that question, as you do all points and questions that dont support a pointless attempt to validate Fitz to be better than he is.

 

Whats more important...that he is top 20 in total TD's the last 2 years, or top 3 in most turnovers?

Edited December 6, 2012 by Alphadawg7

[bobobonators]

Why dont you finish the conversation presented to you. You refuse to even acknowledge those facts and now want to switch to talking about the Defense rather the Fitz's individual prodcution because you have ZERO defense of this other than to stand there and boast out "9th in total TD's". How about you answer the question I have now asked you twice...what mattered more...his 7 TD's, 4 of which were at the end of the games when the blowout was all but done, or the 7 INTs and additional fumble in those same games that occurred throughout the game when the game still mattered? I told you that you would again ignore that question, as you do all points and questions that dont support a pointless attempt to validate Fitz to be better than he is.

 

Whats more important...that he is top 20 in total TD's the last 2 years, or top 3 in most turnovers?

 

how about this, we leave the conversation where I started it? The point of the thread was simple: tied for 9th in TD's and 18th in salary this year. If you want to go on about QBR, that's fine, you can go there all you want man.

 

And for TD's over turnovers, I'll leave it at this: a TD is an automatic 6 points, and an INT is not. PERIOD. There is this thing called a DEFENSE that gets paid to stop the other team from scoring from that INT/turnover.

[HeHateMe]

This is hardly an accomplishment. The NFL is a passing league, the best guys put up 35-40+ TD passes a year.

 

Historically they look good but compare this to the current day NFL and it doesn't mean anything.

 

What about his turnover #'s? Among the worst in the league for a starter.

[JPS]

or if his recievers would quit dropping the damn thing......Johnson Jones Chandler

 

Wow!!! I guess people really believe in Fitz. I am amazed.

[Captain Hindsight]

I've said it many times, we could do a lot worse than Fitz.

[BuffBill]

I actually agree with you, that stat was worthless b/c if they only get to the red zone 3 times in 4 games and score all 3 times that's only 3 TD's in 4 games.

 

As for garbage time stats, tell me, how many game-changing sacks has Mario Williams had this season; how many garbage time rushing yds has CJ had...or Freddy...or TD's for Stevie? "garbage time" is nonsense..unless the score is 60-3, every minute of an NFL game counts - the other team is still trying to destroy you.

I apologize, I didn't realize this post was about them? Where did I say it doesn't count? Take off the fake Ryan Fitzpatrick beard and read the post. Edited December 6, 2012 by BuffBill

[bobobonators]

I apologize, I didn't realize this post was about them? Where did I say it doesn't count? Take off the fake Ryan Fitzpatrick beard and read the post.

 

lol. only if you throw away your Fitz voodoo doll

[Jerry Jabber]

I'm getting more than a little tired of the constant Fitzpatrick bashing here.

 

12 games have been played. The Bills are 16th in points scored and 4th in points scored against.

 

Mularkey & Gailey have been the only Bills coaches that had offenses that weren't tanked in the bottom of the league every year since the 90's. Jauron's offenses were offensive!!

[jumbalaya]

Actually the thing about Fitz this year has been his ability to engineer game winning 4th quarter drives.

[atlbillsfan1975]

It is a pass happy league. Rules for WR are much tougher on DB's than during Kelly's day. Kelly would put up Brady numbers or better today running the K-Gun. Think about the receivers, line and running backs Kelly had!!! Lofton, Reed, Bebe, Metz, Thomas, and Davis. Behind a massive but athletic line. Those guys would score like the Pats of 2007!!!

 

 

Fitz is inconsistent, which is why he belongs backing-up a starter.

[Bronc24]

I don't give two sh**s about stats besides wins anymore. Fitzpatrick's game does not pass the eyeball test and I highly doubt there would be a fan in the league that would be excited if their team acquired him.

[PromoTheRobot]

Over a season ago now the league has plenty of tape on how Fitz runs Gaileys offense. Those games were also at home.

 

See Texans, 2nd pats game, Indy, Tenn game of this year

You didn't make that part clear. You said he NEVER wins games in the 4th.

 

PTR

Edited December 6, 2012 by PromoTheRobot

[Mr. WEO]

Stats are so overrated. The Jaguars were 1st in the NFL in scoring in the Red Zone-shows you how worthless stats are. Fitz has been underperforming for his contract since the day he ripped off the Bills and signed the extension. He is consistenly towards the top in interceptions and turnovers. Has more balls batted down in a season then most QBs do in a career. He makes the worst decisions at the most critical times. The majority of his stats are garbage time stats when they are way behind and the defense is giving him yardage. And how many of his TD's are for more then 25 yards, not many, and even those one are mostly all yards after the catch. No team will ever compete for a division with Fitz at the QB helm, he is one of the worst in the league. He might be a real nice guy with a monster size heart, but how many games will that win you? Not many-obviously. As far as your list of salaries, you state he is kinda low for his product? I would take at least 10 of the guys listed below him over him any day of the year.

 

Especially the made up ones:

 

"Has more balls batted down in a season then most QBs do in a career"

 

"The majority of his stats are garbage time stats when they are way behind and the defense is giving him yardage"

 

"his TD's are for more then 25 yards, not many, and even those one are mostly all yards after the catch."

 

 

You do realize by pass happy that means passes more than he runs. Did I say we lead the league in pass attempts? And guess what...if Fitz didnt also rank 3rd in turnovers the last 2 years, and could extend drives, we probably would lead the league in pass attempts. But you see, there is this pesky problem of needing to have the ball, keep it, and continue drives to attempt more passes.

 

Every team in the NFL passes more than it runs. Even so, Buffalo is in the top 10 in rushing plays. They are 22nd in pass attempts.

 

Keep digging on that one. your bound to bury yourself completely soon.

 

 

 

 

Again, this is classic you. You ignore every meaningful FACT presented to you and just reiterate the same stuff that was just proven to be irrelevant by the stuff you chose to ignore.

 

 

You mean like the QBR point you brought up but then didn't respond to after it was pointed out the other QBs who have essentially the same rating?

 

 

 

 

AGAIN I ask you...what was more important...the 7 TD's he threw in 2 blow out losses, 4 of which came during points of the game where the game was out of reach...or was it the 7 INT's and fumble he had in those same 2 divisional games at key parts of the game that heavily contributed to lop sided score? But I dont expect you to answer that once again because the only answer is the INTs but that disproves your desperate attempt to make Fitz look productive.

 

If your are referring to the first pats game, how many points did NE score off Fitz's first int? His 2nd? His fumble? That's right, none. And after these 3 turnovers, what deficit had Fitz pt the team in? That's right, none. They were up by 2 TDs soon after. The Bills D erased that advantage in two 3 minute NE TD drives. NE scored again on their next possession--63 yards in 2 minutes. Their next possession they scored in 1:44. You get the picture..