Mr. WEO Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 I take a lot of heat for being a doomandgloomer/"realist"/pessimist here (although the ritual mass seppuku being committed here this week by the typical homers is amusing--amatures!). But I've seen enough of Fitz to feel there is something in there that will turn it around and limit his TOs while returning the offense to a level which will prop up this pathetic D. He's smart, he has guts (he's absolutely and by far the ONLY tough guy on this candy-ass IR laden team) and he's nothing like JPL and RJ, who were brain dead, soul-less disasters who never really showed any reason for hope. I have faith in Fitz because I have seen him play very well, and so have you. I say he plays well enough to save Chan's job next season. This will be bittersweet--great for Fitz, awful for the rest of us. Chan has been an awful choice. One terrible decision after another. But, here's to Fitz! Starting this Sunday. He won't guarantee a win (he should), but I will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omar Little Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 I laughed. Fitzpatrick is one of the worst starting QBs in football. He's not going to suddenly transform into a consistently competent player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markgbe Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 (edited) i agree. It's so easy to blame a loss on a QB for not matching other teams that net 50 points against us. However, i will say that Fitz is definitely not elite and if we did have a chance at an elite QB, we should definitely go that route. Edited October 11, 2012 by markgbe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayboy54 Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 I think what WEO is saying is that Fitz will be just good enough to save the jobs of the coaching staff and maybe even the management. That's always been the problem around here. The Bills are just good enough to squeek by with what we already have. Sad, but true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 I think the problem is that Fitz shouldn't have to save Gailey's job. For this team to be most effective, they should be in the 49ers model. Strong defense and STs, run first team and don't put your QB in a position to lose games. I believe the Bills are 6-0 when Fitz throws under 20 times. Fitz is extremely limited but when the defense blows a 21-7 lead in hte 4th against NE in the fashion they did, I have a hard time putting it all on Fitz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 I thought this thread was going to be about the fact that Fitz is going to play so atrociously that no coach could be successful and chan would come out at the end of the season and say we are finding a new QB to lead this team. Sadly you said Fitz was good. I do think Fitz should stop worrying about his mechanics. He's a smart guy and a gunslinger who will always make mistakes. Let the guy play, whatever e is doing now is creating some hesitation and creating more mistakes I thought this thread was going to be about the fact that Fitz is going to play so atrociously that no coach could be successful and chan would come out at the end of the season and say we are finding a new QB to lead this team. Sadly you said Fitz was good. I do think Fitz should stop worrying about his mechanics. He's a smart guy and a gunslinger who will always make mistakes. Let the guy play, whatever e is doing now is creating some hesitation and creating more mistakes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheetahz Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 (edited) Everyone keeps bringing up the defense in defense of fritz... Yes the defense has played horrible the last 2 games, but when ur qb turns the ball over and over again, your out there for a long time as a defense. What bothers me is I have yet to hear Fritz own up to his mistakes as a player, he has said the offense needs to do a Better job, but I haven't heard him say HE HIMSELF needs to take better care of the football as the leader of the offense. Not only that but a qb who gets worse when he has more time to throw makes absolutely no sense to me... Edited October 11, 2012 by Cheetahz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 I thought this thread was going to be about the fact that Fitz is going to play so atrociously that no coach could be successful and chan would come out at the end of the season and say we are finding a new QB to lead this team. Sadly you said Fitz was good. I do think Fitz should stop worrying about his mechanics. He's a smart guy and a gunslinger who will always make mistakes. Let the guy play, whatever e is doing now is creating some hesitation and creating more mistakes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 It's really on Gailey... Fitz can't carry a team, but he can manage a game very well. But... we can't use a balanced offense and keep up with another team scoring 50 points, so it's all moot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloFan68 Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 I totally disagree with JPL being soul-less like Trent. JP showed more passion than any QB we've had since Flutie. I predict Fitz will play well enough this week to keep his job a little longer however if/when the D bombs yet again, it should be enough to force Chan & Nix into finally pulling the plug on the Wanny disaster. I'm sure that once he's gone we'll get the real feedback from the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macaroni Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 For this team to be most effective, they should be in the 49ers model. Strong defense and STs, run first team and don't put your QB in a position to lose games. IMHO ... I think that is the team the front office envisioned when they brought in Mario Williams and Mark Anderson, kept a "kick off specialist" on the team to eliminate KO returns, and stashed away a punter with a cannon for a leg to pin the opponent deep in their territory. I think they had visions of playing the "field position game" and only needing a sliver of offense to win games. But as we all know our "vaunted D" pooped the bed their first outing and made Shancize look like Joe Wille reicarnated. I think the brain trust lost a little faith in our D at that point (but luckily we got to play two weak sisters for our next two games). It almost looks like they are afraid to play all out on D .... they're holding back for some reason ... whether it's the coaches unwilling to take risks ... or the players being too tentative ... I just don't know. For some reason this team is running scared Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 ...I do think Fitz should stop worrying about his mechanics. He's a smart guy and a gunslinger who will always make mistakes. Let the guy play, whatever e is doing now is creating some hesitation and creating more mistakes Agree entirely. I've been saying it since he triple-hitched that out to SJ and Revis made the pick. NOBODY triple hitches a pass like that. NOBODY. And the pre-Lee Fitz wouldn't have either. He's preoccupied with mechanics while at the SAME time trying to make a big play. He's pressing too much. Let him chuck it and live with the consequences. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 I think the problem is that Fitz shouldn't have to save Gailey's job. For this team to be most effective, they should be in the 49ers model. Strong defense and STs, run first team and don't put your QB in a position to lose games. I believe the Bills are 6-0 when Fitz throws under 20 times. Fitz is extremely limited but when the defense blows a 21-7 lead in hte 4th against NE in the fashion they did, I have a hard time putting it all on Fitz. Agreed. I think they tried to creat that model this year. The last draft was very D heavy and we spent alot on some FAs that havent panned out thus far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Everyone keeps bringing up the defense in defense of fritz... Yes the defense has played horrible the last 2 games, but when ur qb turns the ball over and over again, your out there for a long time as a defense. Fitz turned the football over once to the 49ers. Chandler did once as well. What keeps the defense on the field for a long time is giving up 2 90+ yard drives and several other longish TD drives and not being able to stop the other team on 3rd down. If we had a D that could hold the other team to 25 or less, Fitz would be fine and we'd win a lot of games. As long as our D continues as it has the last 2 games, Johnny Unitas or Joe Montana or Roger Staubach wouldn't have a prayer for a win either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sllib olaffub Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 I think what WEO is saying is that Fitz will be just good enough to save the jobs of the coaching staff and maybe even the management. That's always been the problem around here. The Bills are just good enough to squeek by with what we already have. Sad, but true. I couldn't agree more - that our biggest problem has been, these past 10+ years, that we've been just good enough to remain average. That has prevented us from having a real, franchise caliber QB fall to us in the draft. It has not - however - prevented us from trading up to get one. As for Fitz, I think he is horrendous. I think he is a very big part of the defenses problem, too. I know a lot of people would balk at at that, but my reasoning is this: I think the defense is so demoralized by the knowledge that if they stop someone, the offense is only going to turn it right back over again. A defense plays much, much better when it believes a stop will give the offense a chance to score, instead of a stop merely briefly postponing more needed stops to come. And, besided the defense, the offense cannot function professionally with Fitz at the QB spot - his limitations neccessitate Gailey's game plans also be limited, and the opposing defenses know this. Unless Fitz can miraculously begin to be able to pass accurately for more than 15 yards, he is done. I'm all for the Bills winning. However, I won't watch another season after this one with Fitz as the Qb. He should never have been handed the job without at least having serious competition, and a young understudy. If the Bills win enough to make it interesting at the end of the year, the Bills had better also do whatever it takes to move up in the draft next year to get that QB they desperately need, because without a good one this team will forever be mediocre, at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 I respect your opinon Mr. WEO but I have to disagree. Although Fitz is not entirely at fault for the Bills woes, he definitely is one of the big reasons. He has been here long enough to prove that he has what it takes to be a starting qb and he has not. The main issue is that he lacks consistency and makes poor judgements. Now don’t get me wrong, I know that all qb’s make poor judgments but not as many as Fitz has been making. At the moment there are rookie qb’s that are looking better. At least RJ and JPL had strong arms. The same cant be said for Fitz and his play shows it. One thing most Bills fans agree on is that in order to be a successful qb in Buffalo, you need to have a strong arm. Think Fitz’s throws look bad now? Wait until we get to December and weather starts being more of a factor. If Fitz is under throwing receivers in September and October, imagine how it will look when snow and wind are a factor. CBF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills Fan888 Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Everyone keeps bringing up the defense in defense of fritz... Yes the defense has played horrible the last 2 games, but when ur qb turns the ball over and over again, your out there for a long time as a defense. What bothers me is I have yet to hear Fritz own up to his mistakes as a player, he has said the offense needs to do a Better job, but I haven't heard him say HE HIMSELF needs to take better care of the football as the leader of the offense. Not only that but a qb who gets worse when he has more time to throw makes absolutely no sense to me... I would have agreed with you after the Patriots game when the Bill's had six turnovers and nonstop 3 and outs but against the 49ers there Fitz only had the one turnover and the defense gave up terrible drives even after the Bill's put together their own drive. As everyone else has been saying, Fitz is a game managing QB and should be used thusly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Man you sure do have High Hopes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloFan68 Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Step 1 - Fire Wanny. Step 2 - Bench Fitz the next time he's having a bad game because he is not getting any better on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Fitz owes Chan BIG time. Because of Chan, Fitz and his family are multi-millionaires and will never have another financial concern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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