Maybin getting a lot of NY hype

[Dorkington]

He was really that bad at defensive end and has never shown that he can play that position in the NFL. He's shown that when you really dumb down what you ask him to do and be a one dimensional player that he can do that at OLB in a 3-4 system, that he can be marginally useful. Let's not forget that he lead the Jets in sacks with only 6.0 last season. What does that say for the Jets starters? I guess by inference, they must be bad as well.

Or he's not as useless as many would like him to be.

 

He's a situational player, he works in certain systems, no more, no less.

[PromoTheRobot]

Or he's not as useless as many would like him to be.

 

He's a situational player, he works in certain systems, no more, no less.

He's terrific in garbage time. I guess that could be called situational.

 

PTR

[Malazan]

Or he's not as useless as many would like him to be.

 

He's a situational player, he works in certain systems, no more, no less.

 

Exactly. If you have a defense with the talent level of the Jets and system like what Ryan runs, you can have a player who is nothing, but a pure pass rusher. When you can match him up in the right situation, he does well, but he has only ever shown that he can perform under those very specific circumstances.

 

The Bills still aren't close to being a defense that can afford to have a player like that on the field.

[Alphadawg7]

He's terrific in garbage time. I guess that could be called situational.

 

PTR

 

Funny, he just keeps getting more and more positive reviews and press from camp. But I guess the haters here know more about him than his teammates and staff.

 

Never mind the fact that he had 6 sacks while playing part time for only part of the season and not having any time to learn the D (more than any Bills since 2009 and near the same amount of some of the premiere pass rushers in the NFL who played a FULL season on the same team they were already on). Never mind he has been turning heads so far in camp. Never mind he had 2 sacks again yesterday in camp (one against Sanchez and one against Tebow). Never mind the Jets are now designing plays for him. Never mind his health is better and was able to put on weight. Never mind his blazing speed. Never mind his one on one work with the staff to coach a new set of moves to add to his play. Never mind the work they did with him to make him better against the run. I mean why pay attention to facts when you can just spew blind haterade on the kid right?

 

Bottom line is, he worked hard here but never got a fair chance with our current regime because they made up their mind he didn't fit their scheme. And rather than try and utilize what he brought to the table, they just decided to move on. Which is totally fine, I love what our FO has done with out D. But people want to pile on him because he didnt fit out teams scheme...does not mean another team wont see something in him and coach him up and make a valuable member of their team...which the Jets seem to be on the path of doing.

 

Never will understand why the Bills fan base will hate on players so much based on their draft slot when that is not the players fault. Like I said before, I hate the Jets but wish Maybin well, he worked hard to get to where he is and instead of just resting on the pile of money he had, he worked his tail off to not only make a team but to be a significant member of that team. How it all works out is yet to be seen, but he could have easily been JaMarcus Russell and took the money and ran, but he didn't, and I respect that.

 

F the Jets, but good for Maybin.

[JinWPB]

I view all news out of Jests camp as..........please be advised this is MA rated......

[eball]

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F the Jets, but good for Maybin.

 

Good for you and nice sentiments, but you can't teach intelligence and you can't teach instincts...unfortunately Maybin is lacking in both. I'm telling you, if I'm an OC game planning for the Jets, the first rule is, "if Maybin is in the game, attack him."

[rickenbru]

Maybin is going to be effective on obvious passing situations where there is >8 yds to go and that is all. Teams are going to run misdirection, screens and power at him all day. He is a complete liability against the run and has no counter moves. He is a cover sack specialist. I love how there is never a mention of his 10 tackles in a 16 game season.

 

That's awesome! A linebacker with 10 tackles wanting people to think of him as "

one of the most dominant players in the game". Good luck Aaron.

Edited August 7, 2012 by rickenbru

[Alphadawg7]

Good for you and nice sentiments, but you can't teach intelligence and you can't teach instincts...unfortunately Maybin is lacking in both. I'm telling you, if I'm an OC game planning for the Jets, the first rule is, "if Maybin is in the game, attack him."

 

I don't disagree with that philosophy. He has to prove it on the field still. I am just saying he is getting a lot of praise from his teammates and staff. They are also designing plays for him, another sign he is upping his game.

[K-9]

Good for you and nice sentiments, but you can't teach intelligence and you can't teach instincts...unfortunately Maybin is lacking in both. I'm telling you, if I'm an OC game planning for the Jets, the first rule is, "if Maybin is in the game, attack him."

 

Unfortunately, you just wouldn't get that opportunity too often in a game. Maybe when he becomes that "most dominating player in the game" and lines up all over the place, but that ain't gonna happen for a while.

 

GO BILLS!!!

[Fan in Chicago]

Maybin won't be able to get by Glenn or Hairston (assuming they are LT and RT) who outweigh him by 80 pounds or so. In the eventuality that he utilizes that scary 'quick first step' and does juke them, he will have to contend with either Corey McIntyre or FJax both of who can go low and knock him off his feet given the dude is so slim and top heavy. Either way, he is more likely to be the comic relief than a bonafide play-altering pass rusher.

[atlbillsfan1975]

Garbage time sack dances. No ones better.

 

PTR

I hear ya. But if it is not that hard to get 6 sacks, why has no one on Buffalo done so since 2009?

Edited August 7, 2012 by atlbillsfan1975

[PromoTheRobot]

I hear ya. But if it is not that hard to get 6 sacks, why has no one on Buffalo done so since 2009?

Because the Jets D was a lot better than the Bills. Maybin is like your kid brother running in after the grownups did the hard work.

 

PTR

[Alphadawg7]

Because the Jets D was a lot better than the Bills. Maybin is like your kid brother running in after the grownups did the hard work.

 

PTR

 

Such a cop out answer...this is the kind of stuff people say when they have no intelligent thoughts to add to a conversation.

 

Again, no one is saying he is the next Ray Lewis, but to discredit his 6 sacks because its convenient to your haterade argument is silly. If sacks were so easy then the Bills should have at least one guy with 6 in the last 2 years. To credit his surrounding cast with them is pretty silly. You act like no one blocked him and just ran around by himself until he caught up to the QB. He still beat the people being paid millions of dollars to stop him...NFL players...and got to the QB 6 times and caused some fumbles. Not to mention, he also got pressure on a lot of other plays too.

Edited August 7, 2012 by Alphadawg7

[NoSaint]

 

 

Funny, he just keeps getting more and more positive reviews and press from camp. But I guess the haters here know more about him than his teammates and staff.

 

Never mind the fact that he had 6 sacks while playing part time for only part of the season and not having any time to learn the D (more than any Bills since 2009 and near the same amount of some of the premiere pass rushers in the NFL who played a FULL season on the same team they were already on). Never mind he has been turning heads so far in camp. Never mind he had 2 sacks again yesterday in camp (one against Sanchez and one against Tebow). Never mind the Jets are now designing plays for him. Never mind his health is better and was able to put on weight. Never mind his blazing speed. Never mind his one on one work with the staff to coach a new set of moves to add to his play. Never mind the work they did with him to make him better against the run. I mean why pay attention to facts when you can just spew blind haterade on the kid right?

 

Bottom line is, he worked hard here but never got a fair chance with our current regime because they made up their mind he didn't fit their scheme. And rather than try and utilize what he brought to the table, they just decided to move on. Which is totally fine, I love what our FO has done with out D. But people want to pile on him because he didnt fit out teams scheme...does not mean another team wont see something in him and coach him up and make a valuable member of their team...which the Jets seem to be on the path of doing.

 

Never will understand why the Bills fan base will hate on players so much based on their draft slot when that is not the players fault. Like I said before, I hate the Jets but wish Maybin well, he worked hard to get to where he is and instead of just resting on the pile of money he had, he worked his tail off to not only make a team but to be a significant member of that team. How it all works out is yet to be seen, but he could have easily been JaMarcus Russell and took the money and ran, but he didn't, and I respect that.

 

F the Jets, but good for Maybin.

 

i have no feelings based on his draft position. but on atleast a couple of those sacks he was brushed about 25 yards into the backfield and got back up to a qb that thought he was totally out of the play.

 

i cant say for sure that i have seen all 6 plays, but i have never seen him beat a blocker. i have seen a blocker leave him on the ground and him return to the play though, for instance.

 

if he does well, awesome. but the weight has been a yo-yo. hes never held it on in his career. if this is the first time, good for him. but its far from the first time hes been advertised as bulked up. when he has bulked up he has clocked really slow times running. it seems he doesnt hold the weight on his frame very well.

 

i couldnt care less about the money paid or the draft spot. i think it plays a role in if the bills should have kept him, but i dont think its coloring my assessment.

 

 

 

Such a cop out answer...this is the kind of stuff people say when they have no intelligent thoughts to add to a conversation.

 

Again, no one is saying he is the next Ray Lewis, but to discredit his 6 sacks because its convenient to your haterade argument is silly. If sacks were so easy then the Bills should have at least one guy with 6 in the last 2 years. To credit his surrounding cast with them is pretty silly. You act like no one blocked him and just ran around by himself until he caught up to the QB. He still beat the people being paid millions of dollars to stop him...NFL players...and got to the QB 6 times and caused some fumbles. Not to mention, he also got pressure on a lot of other plays too.

 

do you have any breakdown where he legit beat someone to look at? im not trying to be a jerk but even in his highlight reels, i just havent seen him get to the qb quick. even in the sacks ive seen they have been 4+ seconds. being persistant is a good thing, but after a length of time the sack becomes a testament to how well the secondary played, and in some cases how badly he was beaten early in the play/luck.

 

i just havent seen him engage and beat a defender, and i havent seen him really bend the corner around a guy with his outside speed rush, even when hes gotten to the qb.

[PromoTheRobot]

Such a cop out answer...this is the kind of stuff people say when they have no intelligent thoughts to add to a conversation.

 

Again, no one is saying he is the next Ray Lewis, but to discredit his 6 sacks because its convenient to your haterade argument is silly. If sacks were so easy then the Bills should have at least one guy with 6 in the last 2 years. To credit his surrounding cast with them is pretty silly. You act like no one blocked him and just ran around by himself until he caught up to the QB. He still beat the people being paid millions of dollars to stop him...NFL players...and got to the QB 6 times and caused some fumbles. Not to mention, he also got pressure on a lot of other plays too.

 

Well we'll just have to see how this season works out then.

 

PTR

[JinWPB]

Such a cop out answer...this is the kind of stuff people say when they have no intelligent thoughts to add to a conversation.

 

Again, no one is saying he is the next Ray Lewis, but to

 

 

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You typed Ray Lewis and Maybin in the same thread?

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

He was battling an illness if I am not mistaken which was the reason for the weight loss that last TC.

 

And I didnt say the staff did anything wrong. I said they took an approach of either you fit our scheme or you don't rather than try and put him in a position to maximize what he can do. That doesnt mean our staff did something wrong, I love what they have done with our D. What I mean is that Maybin was not given an opportunity to do what he does best. They wanted him to be something he wasn't and it didn't work out. The Jets have decided to put Maybin in position to excel at what he can do, speed rush, rather than force him into being a player he isn't.

 

Derrick Thomas was known as mostly a one trick pony of sacking the QB too, and he was a dominant force teams had to game plan for. Maybin is no Derrick Thomas, but if he can prove he can get to the QB and get there fast with consistency, then teams will have to slide attention toward him freeing up other members of the D.

 

Its about being a disruption, and if they can harness Maybins speed to be a disruption then that is a valuable commodity for any D coordinator. He looked a lot worse when he was sitting on the sidelines...he never got a chance to play here, and maybe if he did he wouldn't have looked so useless.

 

Clearly, he isnt as useless as Bills fans want to make him out to be when he had more sacks and forced fumbles in limited time than any player on our D since 2009.

 

look, i'll leave it to the x and o guys to tell you specifically what happened, but to me it seems pretty simple. a player (good/bad/other) on a good defense probably has a better chance of making plays than a player (good/bad/other) on a bad defense. maybin plays for the jets now, i wish the guy no ill will, and if he had a great season with the jets and watched the bills win the SB from his living room couch, no hard feelings.

[Alphadawg7]

i have no feelings based on his draft position. but on atleast a couple of those sacks he was brushed about 25 yards into the backfield and got back up to a qb that thought he was totally out of the play.

 

i cant say for sure that i have seen all 6 plays, but i have never seen him beat a blocker. i have seen a blocker leave him on the ground and him return to the play though, for instance.

 

if he does well, awesome. but the weight has been a yo-yo. hes never held it on in his career. if this is the first time, good for him. but its far from the first time hes been advertised as bulked up. when he has bulked up he has clocked really slow times running. it seems he doesnt hold the weight on his frame very well.

 

i couldnt care less about the money paid or the draft spot. i think it plays a role in if the bills should have kept him, but i dont think its coloring my assessment.

 

 

 

do you have any breakdown where he legit beat someone to look at? im not trying to be a jerk but even in his highlight reels, i just havent seen him get to the qb quick. even in the sacks ive seen they have been 4+ seconds. being persistant is a good thing, but after a length of time the sack becomes a testament to how well the secondary played, and in some cases how badly he was beaten early in the play/luck.

 

i just havent seen him engage and beat a defender, and i havent seen him really bend the corner around a guy with his outside speed rush, even when hes gotten to the qb.

 

Let me be clear, I am not by any means saying he is some probowl LB or something. I am just saying considering his circumstances last year, to amass 6 sacks was impressive. Regardless of how he got to the QB, he still got there. The guys on that offense that were paid to protect the QB on those plays failed to keep Maybin from the QB is all my point was. It wasn't a 7 on 7 drill, it was a live game with NFL players being paid to keep the sack from happening.

 

Time will tell, but the point of this thread and what I was saying is that he has EARNED the hype and praise he is getting right now. This time he is earning it on the field in both limited play last year and his hard work and dedication this offseason and training camp. He could have taken the money and ran (see: Russell, JaMarcus) but he didn't and I respect that.

[Punch]

You act like no one blocked him and just ran around by himself until he caught up to the QB.

 

Actually, this is exactly what happened on multiple occasions. You're repeating the same diatribe over and over again as if it is inarguable gospel truth while avoiding/ignoring many salient points made by multiple posters. Yes, his numbers were pedestrian, and pointing out other pedestrian numbers by players on mediocre defenses doesn't really make much sense. They were pedestrian because they were mostly in garbage time--- in crunch time he was invisible.

 

I realize you feel sorry for the guy because of his personal tragedy but that doesn't make him a good football player. Is it really shocking that his coaches and teammates are saying good things? Seriously? Rex is talking up Tebow, too. Is Tebow the 21st Century Johnny Unitas? I've heard glowing training camp reports from teammates and coaches about Naaman Roosevelt but I bet he gets cut.

 

I don't hate the guy, but I dislike him for being a big mouthed punk, and one that fits in perfectly with the Jets and their fan base. I'm sorry for what he went through, but having limited success as a situational pass rusher with little to no football skills doesn't deserve a parade. I wouldn't be surprised if he has some success whilst further being isolated by the Jets coaching staff in favorable situations (which is smart) this season but I don't think I'd martyr myself over it the way posters have done for Trent Edwards and Chris Kelsay in recent years.

 

Now please, repeat again how little time he had to prepare and the Bills individual sack leaders since 2009 and blah blah blah. You and Rex are alone on this crusade.

[K-9]

Anyone making an honest evaluation of Maybin's abilities is automatically labeled a hater.

 

Got it.

 

But that is laughable.

 

His own coach refers to him as a one trick pony last year in the attached article in the op.

 

“When you’re a one-trick pony, as Aaron was with his speed rush a year ago, teams can eventually scheme around that,” Pettine said.

 

A one trick pony, by definition, is not good at any other tricks. Therefore he is breasts on a bull when it comes to performing other tricks.

 

But even he sucked at his one trick when it came to crunch time last season. He didn't make the stat sheet when his team was pushing for a playoff birth over the last four games. Not even a tackle. Sounds to me like he regressed as the season wore on.

 

I await the arrival of "one of the most dominant players in the game."

 

GO BILLS!!!

Edited August 7, 2012 by K-9