John from Riverside Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 I view Johnathan Martin as a OT who needs to be in a NFL conditioning program...but has all the tools to be a NFL left tackle..... I am trying to figure out in my mind just the way this is all going to go..... - The bills may or may not believe Hairston is the answer - It looks like there will be some quality wide outs available to us in the 2nd round - Martin IS considered a 1st round LOT.....whether he is a 10th pick LT I am not sure.... - We could in fact use a quality corner as well...but we did extend Mgee and drafted Williams last year...Rogers has some potential...and our pass rush is considerable improved. - We extended Pears....we are solid and have depth from guard to guard.....Levitre CAN play LT but has short arms and is better at LG I am basing all of this on if Nix cannot find a trade down partner...if he can trade down (and we dont get raped in the compensation) that is my obvious first choice....but lets say for sake of arguement that he cannot trade down and HAS to pick at 10. Would folks be upset to see Martin at 10 and a guy like Jeffrey or Sanu at the 2nd pick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 My impression was that Stanford had a very intense conditioning program. If this is the case, I'd be concerned about Martin. Plenty smart, but does he have the drive to become a physical force? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 Quality starters at LT can be found in any round. Why would you spend a top 10 pick on an LT who you think is out of shape, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 Yes I would be disappointed with those picks; yes somebody thinks Martin won't turn into a quality starter. The first two days of the Bills draft should go like this: Day One (Round 1, #10 overall) - David Decastro, RG/C/OT, Stanford Day Two (Round 2, #41 overall) - Dont'a Hightower, ILB, Alabama Day Two (Round 3, #71 overall) - Stephen Hill, WR, Georgia Tech GO BILLSSS!!!! "I expect to be undefeated...I expect to win every game!" - Chan Gailey 19 and 0 baby!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertpaul49 Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 I think Martin is the direction that the Bills will go in if he is available. The Bills have been lucky to find tackles in later rounds, but generally Left Tackles go very early in the draft. From the report I read on mocking the draft from last year, Martin's strength and power is in his legs not his arms. Nix said there are two or three players would could start at left tackle, and I don't think David Decastro can. 2011 martin draft prospect notes I understanding fans wanting a flashy player like Floyd, but I do not understand why some people would rather the Bills draft a guard higher than drafting a tackle. Also, a left tackle will allow the Bills to draft a quarterback next year if Fitz doesn't work out. Plus, how are the wide receivers going to catch passes if the quarterback is always injured, with let's just say broken ribs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JStranger76 Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 nobody thinks he's out of shape, just not strong enough. Plus I'm not sure he has elite LT athleticsm either. His selection wouldn't dissapoint me, but I do believe we wait til round 2 and still land a very similar prospect like Zebrie Sanders........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 28, 2012 Author Share Posted March 28, 2012 Sorry what I meant by conditioning I meant strength program....I should have clarified that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick in RaChaCha Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 Yes I would be disappointed with those picks; yes somebody thinks Martin won't turn into a quality starter. The first two days of the Bills draft should go like this: Day One (Round 1, #10 overall) - David Decastro, RG/C/OT, Stanford Day Two (Round 2, #41 overall) - Dont'a Hightower, ILB, Alabama Day Two (Round 3, #71 overall) - Stephen Hill, WR, Georgia Tech GO BILLSSS!!!! "I expect to be undefeated...I expect to win every game!" - Chan Gailey 19 and 0 baby!!!!! Hill is off the board in the first round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frostbelt City Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 He looks good on tape but he will probably get ran over in the NFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26TrapDraw Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 I view Johnathan Martin as a OT who needs to be in a NFL conditioning program...but has all the tools to be a NFL left tackle..... I am trying to figure out in my mind just the way this is all going to go..... - The bills may or may not believe Hairston is the answer - It looks like there will be some quality wide outs available to us in the 2nd round - Martin IS considered a 1st round LOT.....whether he is a 10th pick LT I am not sure.... - We could in fact use a quality corner as well...but we did extend Mgee and drafted Williams last year...Rogers has some potential...and our pass rush is considerable improved. - We extended Pears....we are solid and have depth from guard to guard.....Levitre CAN play LT but has short arms and is better at LG I am basing all of this on if Nix cannot find a trade down partner...if he can trade down (and we dont get raped in the compensation) that is my obvious first choice....but lets say for sake of arguement that he cannot trade down and HAS to pick at 10. Would folks be upset to see Martin at 10 and a guy like Jeffrey or Sanu at the 2nd pick? Upset...no But I just think at # 10 your pick needs to contribute and make a difference. Can we say that about Martin? Maybe we resign Bell and bring Martin along slow i'd be more comfortable with that but that leads me back to immediate impact. The WR in the second round is not as critical to me because WR's have a longer learning curve so whoever the pick is there probably won't do a whole lot anyway year one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 I think Martin is fairly low-risk, with huge potential. I'm in favor of drafting him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 Yes I would be disappointed with those picks; yes somebody thinks Martin won't turn into a quality starter. The first two days of the Bills draft should go like this: Day One (Round 1, #10 overall) - David Decastro, RG/C/OT, Stanford Day Two (Round 2, #41 overall) - Dont'a Hightower, ILB, Alabama Day Two (Round 3, #71 overall) - Stephen Hill, WR, Georgia Tech GO BILLSSS!!!! "I expect to be undefeated...I expect to win every game!" - Chan Gailey 19 and 0 baby!!!!! I don't see the OT position with Decastro but what flexability a player like him would bring including center if Wood goes down. Decastro will be the best player on the board at 10. If he's there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsGuyInMalta Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 I know I've got to change my mock draft in saying this, but I truly believe Cordy Glenn is going to be the Bills pick. Over Martin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 My impression was that Stanford had a very intense conditioning program. If this is the case, I'd be concerned about Martin. Plenty smart, but does he have the drive to become a physical force? I agree....this bench press weakness is pretty amazing to me. I have OT/OL friends who put up double those numbers without flinching. I am concerned he will get steamrolled by the monster De's in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 Good question. I would say, based on what Nix has said in the media, that we're going to look at something other than LT in round 1 and let Hairston be the starter going into camp. My guess is he takes a LT in round 2 or 3 and lets him develop behind Hairston. Probably another LT later in the draft, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 With ZERO depth at LT, the odds are whoever is picked will play. Can they find another Hairston-type in R3-5? With such a critical position, I'd say it better be dealt with early, and am leaning to R1 pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orton's Arm Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 I think Martin is the direction that the Bills will go in if he is available. The Bills have been lucky to find tackles in later rounds, but generally Left Tackles go very early in the draft. From the report I read on mocking the draft from last year, Martin's strength and power is in his legs not his arms. Nix said there are two or three players would could start at left tackle, and I don't think David Decastro can. 2011 martin draft prospect notes I understanding fans wanting a flashy player like Floyd, but I do not understand why some people would rather the Bills draft a guard higher than drafting a tackle. Also, a left tackle will allow the Bills to draft a quarterback next year if Fitz doesn't work out. Plus, how are the wide receivers going to catch passes if the quarterback is always injured, with let's just say broken ribs? I 100% agree with the bolded statement. 10th overall is waaaay too early for an interior offensive lineman. No sense in squandering an early pick like that on a non-premium position. It's also way too early for a linebacker, unless that linebacker has a significant pass rushing role. Which he won't, at least not in Wannestedt's defense. Wannestedt doesn't like to blitz. 10th overall is also a little early for a RT. Besides which, the Bills have a perfectly good RT already in the form of Hairston. I'd be fine with the Bills trading up for Kalil, staying put and taking a WR or CB worthy of 10th overall, or trading down. I'd be even happier with them trading down in order to acquire another first round pick in next year's draft! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 I agree....this bench press weakness is pretty amazing to me. I have OT/OL friends who put up double those numbers without flinching. I am concerned he will get steamrolled by the monster De's in the NFL. First, there is A LOT more to playing OT in the NFL than strength - athletic ability is one of them. Second, if you have friends doing 40 reps of 225 and could play LT in the NFL, then BY ALL MEANS become their agent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 Nix said recently there are 2-3 LTs in this draft that can start day one. That to me, says he would strongly consider drafting one of them in round one, depending on the grades he has for players at other positions of need like WR and CB. If Martin is one of those 1-2 players Nix is talking about (clearly Kalil is one of the 2-3), there is a very good chance they will take him, depending on how the personal workout at OBD goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeverOutNick Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 Yes I would be disappointed with those picks; yes somebody thinks Martin won't turn into a quality starter. The first two days of the Bills draft should go like this: Day One (Round 1, #10 overall) - David Decastro, RG/C/OT, Stanford Day Two (Round 2, #41 overall) - Dont'a Hightower, ILB, Alabama Day Two (Round 3, #71 overall) - Stephen Hill, WR, Georgia Tech This would be the best first 3 rounds imaginable and no way is it possible...Hightower (my favorite Alabama defender) is going top 25 and Hill probably the same (we'd be lucky to get him in the 2nd) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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