ricojes Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 When I met Steve Johnson in training camp his rookie year with his colored dreds, I thought he was a really down to earth guy. Now, the more I see of him and the jerk wad thugs that he assocates himself with, he is destined eventually for some sort of suspension after several fines. It is a shame, he has a load of talent and potential, but he isn't yet as good as he thinks he is. He needs to dip his hands in some glue so he doesn't drop as many passes (he led the AFC tied with Brandon Marshall and one or two others), but his head is getting so big, they might not be able to find a helmet big enough for him. He had one exceptionally great game against the Bengals and his head got so big doing talk shows, interviews, etc., that he forgot how to catch the ball the following week against the Steelers which costs his teammates and the fans a victory. As far as that video, you would have to be at least a few weeks past your own funeral to be able to sit through the whole thing. According to the video, it's his cousin that's doing the rapping. So, he appears in a video with family and that makes him a gangster or something? And as far as rap video's go, that was pretty clean. No drugs or alcohol seen in the video. And they were in a parking lot or something, not in a night club or at a party. Plus SJ was only in a few shots, so probably didn't even put much time into the making of it. And as far as the drop, it was probably the best thing that could have happened to the Bills. They would have dropped several draft picks if not for the drop. Plus, maybe SJ's head was getting a little too big. A drop like that would humble anyone, so we'll see how he bounces back next season. And big big props for leading with the drop, most players would probably never want to see that again. All I am saying is, let's just give the kid the benefit of the doubt here before we make character judgements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 While the subject matter is pretty much repetitive, there's no way that the rhythm has stayed the same. If you don't notice that, then you're probably just tone deaf. Or you're just super old. Super old. That's the way you hear it, but you obviously don't listen to a lot of it. That's ok, but the best producers are doing all sorts of amazing and creative programming to create swing and polyrhythms. As has been the case with all black music, that rhythmic complexity is an undervalued asset in white musical culture. That's why it takes an Elvis to show most white people what the greats were already doing. Now I'm not going to call Stevie's work here great, but to dismiss rap music due to taste is one (completely valid) thing. To dismiss its musicality without really critically listening is another, less valid enterprise. My big problem with rap, btw, is the incessant demeaning of women and thematically crass and commercialist lyrics (in mainstream hip hop), and the public's taste for that brand of hip hop. Come up with something new there... There are plenty of underground artists doing just that. Anyway, go stevie and go Bills! Correct - I don't listen to a lot of it. You can't help but hear it if you are alive, but I'm not going out of my way to listen to something I can't stand. It's been 30 years, and I still haven't seen the greatness that you speak of. I was just listening to Wade in the Water by the Ramsey Lewis Trio. It's so awesome, just like most black music was until this genre took over. And, the lyrics that you brought up - that really puts in over the top. My secretary has a rap song on her ringtone all the time - a different one all time........So, it was ringing for a couple of minutes a few weeks ago, and I'm like are they saying what I think they're saying........So, I shazamed it - and the song is Wet by Snoop Dogg. How she can have a ringtone like that while having small kids is beyond me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zevo Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 I see absolutely nothing wrong with this at all...In fact I thought it would turn me off but ya know what its just stevie his cousin and his boys havin a good time...I think stevie is a good guy and a good family man and i think he really has a passion for the game and for the buffalo bills which is all that i care about...there was blatant promotion of the bills which was great to see... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 I see absolutely nothing wrong with this at all...In fact I thought it would turn me off but ya know what its just stevie his cousin and his boys havin a good time...I think stevie is a good guy and a good family man and i think he really has a passion for the game and for the buffalo bills which is all that i care about...there was blatant promotion of the bills which was great to see... I agree with all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Yo wassup homies...don't be trippin.....just Stevie and his dawgs flowin and representin the 7-1-6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FastFreddy22 Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Stevie Johnson is the man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 His step father is a record producer IIRC. Shouldn't be surprised to see Stevie and his extended family turning up in videos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 That was about as harmless as it gets...if I didn't know better, I would think some of the reactions here were tounge in cheek... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfreak Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 (edited) According to the video, it's his cousin that's doing the rapping. So, he appears in a video with family and that makes him a gangster or something? And as far as rap video's go, that was pretty clean. No drugs or alcohol seen in the video. And they were in a parking lot or something, not in a night club or at a party. Plus SJ was only in a few shots, so probably didn't even put much time into the making of it. And as far as the drop, it was probably the best thing that could have happened to the Bills. They would have dropped several draft picks if not for the drop. Plus, maybe SJ's head was getting a little too big. A drop like that would humble anyone, so we'll see how he bounces back next season. And big big props for leading with the drop, most players would probably never want to see that again. All I am saying is, let's just give the kid the benefit of the doubt here before we make character judgements. That theory is pretty moronic, in that dropping a game winning catch when the team is on some sort of a winning streak after starting 0-8, is a good thing? That catch would have kept building on the momentum and confidence this young team has, and after that drop (easily the worst drop in the NFL this past season), pretty much all of the momentum they were building disappeared. So if that is the best thing, then I guess when he caught those touchdowns and they came back against the Bengals-that was the worst thing that happened to them. Or was it beating the Lions, or the Dolphins? I guess the missed field goal against the Chiefs and the overtime fumble against the Ravens would have to be right up there in your season highlights too? At any level from Pee Wees to the NFL, dropping a game winning touchdown can never be a good thing, no matter what. I can say one thing I like about your post though-your avatar is pretty smoking. Edited March 18, 2011 by billsfreak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 I'm pretty happy about the drop right now. I was also happy as a 6 year old when Ed Rutkowski fumbled on the one, so that we could draft OJ. Would you rather have had OJ or some meaningless late season win? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfreak Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 I'm pretty happy about the drop right now. I was also happy as a 6 year old when Ed Rutkowski fumbled on the one, so that we could draft OJ. Would you rather have had OJ or some meaningless late season win? With the way this franchise has drafted for the past dozen seasons, that late season win is looking pretty good right about now. So we could have beaten the team that represented the AFC in the Super Bowl in overtime or had another Aaron Maybin? All depends on how you look at it I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbosrrgood Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Wow, I'm embarrassed for anyone that had any part in that video, including SJ. I think people are hyping him up a little too much. The guy had a decent season, mainly because the Bills were always playing behind and Lee Evans drew most of the coverage. He's good at finding open spaces on the field, but has sub-average hands at best. Having said all that, I like the guy. He has a good attitude and doesn't take it too far when joking around. Even in that horrible video, he mentioned it wasn't all about him, but his teammates. He does seem to like being a Bill, it's hard to find players you can say that about... I'm pretty happy about the drop right now. I was also happy as a 6 year old when Ed Rutkowski fumbled on the one, so that we could draft OJ. Would you rather have had OJ or some meaningless late season win? You make a good point, I cared less about winning that game. At the time I was thinking about the possibility of Luck. Although his hands are scary bad. It seems like he can find ways to get open, then drops half of the passes. As far as OJ goes, the dude killed people and proved to be utterly retarded. Honestly I don't care, the man was a beast on the field, and played in the naked gun movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Which one's Stevie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 5-7 years ago?!? To me, hip hop is the same exact song, they've been using for 30 years. Just different lyrics. ummm, ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 this is fantastic. Love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricojes Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 (edited) That theory is pretty moronic, in that dropping a game winning catch when the team is on some sort of a winning streak after starting 0-8, is a good thing? That catch would have kept building on the momentum and confidence this young team has, and after that drop (easily the worst drop in the NFL this past season), pretty much all of the momentum they were building disappeared. So if that is the best thing, then I guess when he caught those touchdowns and they came back against the Bengals-that was the worst thing that happened to them. Or was it beating the Lions, or the Dolphins? I guess the missed field goal against the Chiefs and the overtime fumble against the Ravens would have to be right up there in your season highlights too? At any level from Pee Wees to the NFL, dropping a game winning touchdown can never be a good thing, no matter what. I can say one thing I like about your post though-your avatar is pretty smoking. Well it's my point of view, moronic or not. I was torn when he dropped it, but getting the #3 is better than having another win. I was just glad I sold my tickets for twice value for that game, had I been there, I would have been pissed. And yes the missed FG was big as well. When you start 0-8, the best you can hope for is a high draft pick, not momentum going into next season, that's moronic... Edited March 18, 2011 by ricojes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealityCheck Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 I really hope that this was in jest and somewhat of a joke. I think it was but you never know. I also hope that this kid doesn't get too big of a head he had one very good season on a 4-12 team (Yeah the team wasn't 4-12 because of him but still keep it in perspective). I hope he has the hunger to help take this team over the top. All in all I love the hug life shirt and I love Stevie Johnson. As a matter of fact, we were 4-12 because of him. I can think of one catch that he could've made which would have added a win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Direhard Fan Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 You have got to be kidding me!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Well it's my point of view, moronic or not. I was torn when he dropped it, but getting the #3 is better than having another win. I was just glad I sold my tickets for twice value for that game, had I been there, I would have been pissed. And yes the missed FG was big as well. When you start 0-8, the best you can hope for is a high draft pick, not momentum going into next season, that's moronic... Another moron here. I was there and I was pissed - for about 5 minutes. Then, after it was all over, I figured it's for the best and it is.........And, it was a really fun game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Direhard Fan Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 You have to be kidding me!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superbills315 Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 i dont care what anyone says about it you have to love the support and because of stevie people in San Fran and in Kentucky are wearing and cheering for the bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Going out a limb here but I'm predicting the average age of people hating on this is 40+. God forbid we have a player with a personality on this team. When I met Steve Johnson in training camp his rookie year with his colored dreds, I thought he was a really down to earth guy. Now, the more I see of him and the jerk wad thugs that he assocates himself with, he is destined eventually for some sort of suspension after several fines. It is a shame, he has a load of talent and potential, but he isn't yet as good as he thinks he is. He needs to dip his hands in some glue so he doesn't drop as many passes (he led the AFC tied with Brandon Marshall and one or two others), but his head is getting so big, they might not be able to find a helmet big enough for him. He had one exceptionally great game against the Bengals and his head got so big doing talk shows, interviews, etc., that he forgot how to catch the ball the following week against the Steelers which costs his teammates and the fans a victory. As far as that video, you would have to be at least a few weeks past your own funeral to be able to sit through the whole thing. Just go away. You add nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 According to the video, it's his cousin that's doing the rapping. So, he appears in a video with family and that makes him a gangster or something? And as far as rap video's go, that was pretty clean. No drugs or alcohol seen in the video. And they were in a parking lot or something, not in a night club or at a party. Plus SJ was only in a few shots, so probably didn't even put much time into the making of it. And as far as the drop, it was probably the best thing that could have happened to the Bills. They would have dropped several draft picks if not for the drop. Plus, maybe SJ's head was getting a little too big. A drop like that would humble anyone, so we'll see how he bounces back next season. And big big props for leading with the drop, most players would probably never want to see that again. All I am saying is, let's just give the kid the benefit of the doubt here before we make character judgements. I agree but first things first --- Awesome avatar. Next --- So Stevie gets credit for: (1) no drugs in the video; (2) parking lot not a night club; (3) dropping a TD pass so that we lose the game and get a better draft pick; and (4) learning humility as a third year professional. So that is where the chinning bar is for today’s athletes? OK. I see a lot of debates on these boards where the older guys (like me) get dissed for voicing opinions about today’s player and I don’t want to go there. I like Stevie but the video, not so much. That said I am not a real big fan of rap either but I do have two sons in college and they have turned me on to some rap that I like. It is not all bad IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynical Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 Cmon guys, how can you be so bitter as a fan that youd want to hate on this?!? When is the last time a player embraced the team this way, or to this extent?? JP Losman. You asked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafter Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 That theory is pretty moronic, in that dropping a game winning catch when the team is on some sort of a winning streak after starting 0-8, is a good thing? That catch would have kept building on the momentum and confidence this young team has, and after that drop (easily the worst drop in the NFL this past season), pretty much all of the momentum they were building disappeared. So if that is the best thing, then I guess when he caught those touchdowns and they came back against the Bengals-that was the worst thing that happened to them. Or was it beating the Lions, or the Dolphins? I guess the missed field goal against the Chiefs and the overtime fumble against the Ravens would have to be right up there in your season highlights too? At any level from Pee Wees to the NFL, dropping a game winning touchdown can never be a good thing, no matter what. I can say one thing I like about your post though-your avatar is pretty smoking. Don't be such a negative nancy. If you take a deep breath there were positives that can be drawn from the drop, just like any seemingly negative situation. While the drop cost the game, the team learned they can hang with one of the best. As he was saying, Stevie's head was getting a bit big.. If you remember the week leading up to the drop he was on pretty much every sports talk show. I would rather Stevie take his humble lumps on a crapped out season than when it really matters. It also improved our draft stock, but I listed that last for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBeane Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 That theory is pretty moronic, in that dropping a game winning catch when the team is on some sort of a winning streak after starting 0-8, is a good thing? That catch would have kept building on the momentum and confidence this young team has, and after that drop (easily the worst drop in the NFL this past season), pretty much all of the momentum they were building disappeared. So if that is the best thing, then I guess when he caught those touchdowns and they came back against the Bengals-that was the worst thing that happened to them. Or was it beating the Lions, or the Dolphins? I guess the missed field goal against the Chiefs and the overtime fumble against the Ravens would have to be right up there in your season highlights too? At any level from Pee Wees to the NFL, dropping a game winning touchdown can never be a good thing, no matter what. I can say one thing I like about your post though-your avatar is pretty smoking. Talk about a wet blanket... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Hansen Forever Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 They're not reinforcing the black stereotype at all. Not at all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cåblelady Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 youtube.com/watch?v=FLwx9Qj7Mho HUG LIFE!!! Certified Fly Guyz 4 Life! Way to represent! And to all u haters...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deep2evans Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 lol i love the sarcasm in this thread. oh wait, you guys are being serious? you actually think this joke of a video points to him being a thug and being destined for suspensions? get a GD clue. HE'S !@#$ING AROUND. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cåblelady Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 My son loves it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricojes Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 (edited) Next --- So Stevie gets credit for: (1) no drugs in the video; (2) parking lot not a night club; (3) dropping a TD pass so that we lose the game and get a better draft pick; and (4) learning humility as a third year professional. So that is where the chinning bar is for today’s athletes? OK. I an not giving him credit for anything, just saying I didn't think the video was that bad... (1) no drugs in the video -- Have you seen some of the rap video's today? (2) Parking lot, not a night club-- See #1 (3) Dropping a pass -- no credit there, it was a terrible drop. If anything I hope that it keeps him level and maybe his head was beginning to get a little big, so the drop brings him back down a couple notches. Terrible drop, but in the long run, it was good for the Bills draft position overall. (4) Humililty? Probably the same answer as 3. The drop was terrible and I felt bad for him. But I think he handled it well and hope it drives him to become a better player. I think he knows he needs to improve and that drop could be the fuel to make him work harder heading into next season. Just to clarify...I am an older guy, who doesn't like rap. But as far as SJ appearing in a video that was mild by todays standards, I just don't see the harm. The drop was horrible and I never said it was a good thing for him, although it may make him work harder. It did turn out to be a good thing the the Bills draft position. So I am not praising SJ for dropping the pass, I hope he never does it again, but overall it's better he dropped it. Winning a few meaningless games at the end of the season is the same as knowing you should have beaten at least 3 playoff teams, and that's all the momentum needed to carry into next season, with the benefit of a good draft pick... Edited March 21, 2011 by ricojes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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