stony Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Schefters twitter. Anyway, Am I crazy to speculate that he will be asking for at least 6 mil? Atogwe will be asking for the same, too, especially if Sanders signs first. This only makes Whitners price tag higher, and Wilson's too. Anyone else see what I am getting at? At least 1 of those safeties will be on this roster in 2011, but at what expense? Sanders is going to set the market price - - - unfairly, too. He is about as reliable as Bleacher Report. IDK. Can he really expect to get anywhere near that? I feel like he's looking at a Merriman-like "I've gotta prove I can stay healthy" type deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c'monman Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 I don't know how I feel about any of the safties mentioned here but all I know is we NEED to sign two of them. We already know what we have in both Whitner and Wilson. Sanders gets hurt a lot because he is throwing his body like a mad man and putting it all out on every play. We could use a guy like that on this team. It does make me feel good to see that Buddy is at least looking at the FA talent and seeing if they can improve our team. That alone says we are actually moving forward...I hope lol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Simply put....George Wilson is better then Whitner...... The stats might not support me.....but Wilson is the better player. If you add a pro bowler who gets hurt too much PLUS George Wilson it is STILL better then Whitner. I couldn't disagree more. Wilson isn't better than Whitner at anything. The question is how much of a drop off will there be if Wilson is the starter and we don't sign Whitner or a free agent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 IDK. Can he really expect to get anywhere near that? I feel like he's looking at a Merriman-like "I've gotta prove I can stay healthy" type deal. That's a huge difference. Merriman is like 25-26? He had something to look forward to after this year? That is, he did nothing in 2009, and about a fleas worth work of work in 2010. That alone is not what set his figure low. Merriman came in with some monkey's on his back, off the field questionable activities and possibly steroid use took a larger role in his signing then many would think. Sanders is 30 years old in a couple days, and has been out of commission for quite some time. His playing style has taken a toll on his body - he has nothing to prove. Sanders has proven his worth, yet, he's shown his weakness. Still, he will be commanding a salary of no less then $4mil. Jacksonville has the money to pay it, has the incentive to pay it, and will. I say it is 50/50 he signs with Jville or Buffalo. It will be one of those teams and it will be rather soon. He cannot afford to wait until after March 3rd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Looks like Dante is closely monitoring FA safeties from around the league, and has been reposting links on his twitter (that sounds X rated). http://twitter.com/DonteWhitner Other sources are reporting that there is some degree of interest by Buffalo in either Sanders or Atogwe. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/615561-bob-sanders-oj-atogwe-released-will-buffalo-bills-take-a-chance-on-either http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2011/2/21/2005466/bills-showing-interest-in-bob-sanders-o-j-atogwe I don't know if this is just posturing on the part of the Bills or not, but I have to say that I'm a little concerned. Dante isn't great, but he's solid. The thing about Sanders is that he just can't stay healthy. If we could get him for dirt cheap, then fine, but otherwise I'd keep Dante. We've already taken one risk with Merriman.... Sanders is probably the reason Marv drafted Lil' Donte. Marv adored Polian and wanted to copy his defense. The difference was Sanders could actually transform the Colts defense. His impact in the run game was surreal. I like the idea of taking a very low cost flyer on Sanders with the idea that Wilson and Scott would likely get the majority of the PT. The guy is an inspirational football player, something the Bills could use, especially on D. Atogwe would be even better, but he is actually a long term solution and would be costly. SS is not high on my list of places to spend FA dollars or high draft picks, either way. I'm thinking Sanders would be in for a Merriman type deal. I couldn't disagree more. Wilson isn't better than Whitner at anything. The question is how much of a drop off will there be if Wilson is the starter and we don't sign Whitner or a free agent? Wilson clearly has better ball skills. There may be some debate in other areas, but not in this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seq004 Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Simply put....George Wilson is better then Whitner...... The stats might not support me.....but Wilson is the better player. If you add a pro bowler who gets hurt too much PLUS George Wilson it is STILL better then Whitner. Have to agree there. I just think Wilson has better instincts that Whitner, now add Sanders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 I couldn't disagree more. Wilson isn't better than Whitner at anything. The question is how much of a drop off will there be if Wilson is the starter and we don't sign Whitner or a free agent? First of all.....Wilson gets his hands on more passes and is better in coverage......he is actually IN position instead of being late to the ball and trying to jar it loose because he cant cover..... Oh thats right....Daunte is better at making tackles downfield after 1st downs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBud Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Bob Sanders = too expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Dante isn't great, but he's solid. You're right he's not great...But he's not solid either...He's barely average if that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
major Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 I wouldn't trust Whitner to run a sno-cone shack. Bring in SANDERS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExWNYer Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Sanders is probably the reason Marv drafted Lil' Donte. Marv adored Polian and wanted to copy his defense. The difference was Sanders could actually transform the Colts defense. His impact in the run game was surreal. I like the idea of taking a very low cost flyer on Sanders with the idea that Wilson and Scott would likely get the majority of the PT. The guy is an inspirational football player, something the Bills could use, especially on D. Atogwe would be even better, but he is actually a long term solution and would be costly. SS is not high on my list of places to spend FA dollars or high draft picks, either way. I'm thinking Sanders would be in for a Merriman type deal. Agree. Maybe he could be our new Leonard Smith...the inspirational leader that cements this defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 You're right but people will always have that bias against Whitner. Whitner is a very solid, well rounded safety. Wilson is not as good in run support and is not nearly as versatile. Wilson has better ball skills (as a result of being a receiver) but that's not the main job of a SS. That said, the dropoff between Whitner and Wilson isn't that far. IF DW thinks he deserves top safety money, then it's time to move on. Agree that Whitner is a good player but nothing special as he makes very few big plays. This situation is typical of the Buffalo Bills flawed mode of operation for ten years. Reach on a player like Whitner. Then lose him in free agency and have to replace another hole from yet another wasted first round pick. At pick #9 you should at least get a solid starter for years to come. Sanders is probably done if Polian is letting him go. I just hope the Bills do not overpay for him. Atogwe is similar in skill to Whitner. He will no doubt be less hated in Buffalo since he does not carry the #9 pick stigma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 I don't understand why the Bills would be interested in Bob Sanders. He's too small for the SS in the 3-4, not to mention, the injury bug firmly attached to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Strong Safety, a position designed to play on the strong side of the line where the offense is more likely to run the ball. This player is bigger, stronger player then the FS and usually a hard hitter and has many attributes similar to the WLB in a 3-4. This player is the last man to stop the runner. He will often face a runner with a full head of steam gained over 15 yards. This runner weighs 230 lbs. or more usually, like most inside running backs, and faces the SS often under 220lbs. George Wilson, 29, 6', 212# Very good instincts against the pass, allows him the ability to change to FS. His run support is capable, yet, for his size not that solid, he offers a lot of tangibles to a team, including leadership. His age could seem a problem, but he is young on playing years. His athletic ability is his weakest attribute, often finding himself unable to compete directly against the stronger pass catchers in the AFCE. A highly respected player in the locker room that carries himself at a highly professional level. Donte Whitner, 25, 5'10", 208# (please notice the spelling of his name) A smaller player, yet hard hitting. His commitment comes to the run first at the sacrafice of his pass defending capabilities and more importantly commitments. He often moves himself in to position on the pass play, whereas Wilson will have himself in the needed position. Whitner makes up for this in his athletic ability. His leadership is a valued commodity to the team, with a strong work ethic. Despite the TBD perception that he lacks maturity due to his twittering - Whitner is no different then many players on the roste.1 1, see the twitter accounts of CJ Spiller, Drayton Florence, Tourrel Troup (favorite comment, "I'm bored."), and former Bill Daryl Talley Bryan Scott, 29, 6'1", 219# A backup player who brings a lot to the table. Athleticism is arguably better then his instincts. His knowledge of the game seems on par with the two SS above him, while his size allows him the ability to better combat the harsh hits of the position. Jarius Byrd, 24, 5'10, 200# Jon Corto, 26, 6'1", 220# Special teams player thru and thru and as such deserves better then analyzed as position he does not play. Bob Sanders, 30, 5'8, 206 The obvious concerns are injuries and time spent away from the field. His reliability is low, his potential upside is much higher. Misconceptions about Sanders are that he is an instinctive player. He is not, he plays close to the line in the middle of the action. He is a tremendous athlete and can put himself in to position to make plays. He is similar to Whitner in that he cannot rely on mental intuition to make the play. His hard hits and physical play match that of many other safeties to play the game. Will likely garner a salary over $2-3 million, and I would bet it to be over $5mil and a 2-3 year term. Sanders could find problems adjusting to the AFCE where he will have to defend the pass. Oshiomogho Atogwe, 29, 5'11, 205, A cap casualty as much as anything with the Rams. I do not know as much about him as I do those above. What I do know, though, is that he is able to find the ball and defend against it. He can be found all over the field and has been used to fill many roles. ----- Bob Sanders is a Tampa2 SS. If we want him to succeed we will need a pass defending WLB - which we do not have and there are no true WLB's in the draft, as well. He will not be much different then Whitner, that is, if he makes the field. Atowge might be the better route for us to go, but his figure will likely put him out of the running for our team. I do not think we will be able to retain both Whitner and Wilson at a feasible figure. Of course, this all depends on Sanders. If Sanders signs with us it ends a lot of discussions. If he signs with the Jags then expect his figure to set the price for everyone else. Atowge will command the highest salary, Whitner will be second due to Sanders injuries. Wilson will likely have a modest drawing, figuring around $3 mil. Personally, I would like to keep Whitner. I do not know if it will be worth it, due to his salary demands. Even with Whitner, I still want Wilson on this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Schefters Twitter says he will visit the bills on Tuesday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Duck Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Maybe this is our new plan. Instead of losing so many players to IR during the season and having to fill in the holes at the last second... we'll just sign players who are already injured so we know what to expect going into the season. The team will be great in Madden though! (with injuries turned off, of course) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 I think we'd get more out of Colonel Sanders at this point. mmmm. 8 spices and original flavors Maybe this is our new plan. Instead of losing so many players to IR during the season and having to fill in the holes at the last second... we'll just sign players who are already injured so we know what to expect going into the season. The team will be great in Madden though! (with injuries turned off, of course) I have the urge to kick you. (for legal reasons, i will admit that it would be in a non threatening way, more of you being a smart ass). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Wright's Mullet Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Bill Polian does not let players go who are still valuable on the field. I love Sanders style but he is too much of an injury risk worth gambling on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPicc2114 Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Damnit Buffalo Bills!!! what the hell direction are they going with this franchise?? I thought they were going young and building from the draft. Not bring in injury prone veterans... gimme a break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Bill Polian does not let players go who are still valuable on the field. I love Sanders style but he is too much of an injury risk worth gambling on. Ryan Lilja and Raheem Brock disagree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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