Dr. Who

Decent people can disagree without indulging lazy contempt. In addition, the nature of this thread does not invite argumentation, but simply assuming the superiority of one's view is begging the question.

Hey, I'm just telling you what the fella said since you asked. I've stated my preference for qb so many times I'm bored with it myself.

Yep, almost all those who want to wait because we have holes to fill are willing to sell the farm in 2018. I posted in another thread, btw, Greg Gabriel's April 14th mock has Watson to the Bears, Mahomes to the Jets, Trubisky to Bills. The qbs are going much earlier than many folks imagine.

Leroi said "We need an early run on QBs. If not, he will be there in the 2nd and we will pass on him. Imo" on April 12th in one of the Trubisky threads. He said elsewhere all the qb talk was smokescreen and that we had targeted five players. I cannot recollect precisely, but it was something like wr 2, te 1, cb 1, and de 1.

If they had "strong interest throughout the season," I'm figuring this means our scouts and GM made their interest clear. It would not be ridiculous for a player to ask that team what they thought about where he would be drafted. If I thought my floor was #10 in the first round, I might declare for the draft.

But could he hit a hospitality tent?

Imo, Tyrod on a cheap contract is a good scenario for drafting a young qb that needs a year or two to develop. I am not dismissing Cardale Jones, but I surmise he is a longshot to be a relevant NFL qb. So it seems rational to me to draft a qb with potential to become a franchise qb. I don't think it's Tyrod and I doubt it is Jones. What's the point of having a bridge qb without a developing qb to provide a "destination" for the bridge? All this, of course, presupposes there are qbs available in the draft who have that potential. Btw, Greg Gabriel's April 14 Mock draft has Watson going to the Bears, Mahomes the Jets, and Trubisky to the Bills.

I sure hope the new coaching staff gets it.

Mahomes Trubisky Watson Mike Williams Derek Barnett Caesura indicates a preference for qb. I did not include Hooker, Adams, or Thomas because I cannot see a realistic scenario where any of them are available.

I agree with the complex judgment paradigm. If it were easy, there wouldn't be so many mistakes.

I don't need any help getting my blood pressure to rise. It's bad enough reading this message board

Health and a better qb would equal elite production. My understanding is a number of wide receivers have required a second surgery on that foot problem. It appears to be something that is stable afterwards. Other injuries are perhaps another issue. Better qb is something a lot of folks here want to defer.

I'm rather hoping for Chris Godwin, Penn St. wr, in the second. I really would like Mahomes, Trubisky, or Watson in the first. They will probably go lb, cb or something like that. Oh, and I can't see them not adding the fifth year after the price paid to get Sammy. If he can stay healthy, he is elite.

Absolutely heartbreaking. God have mercy.

Of being a decent human being.

NFL Network Path to the Draft (6 EST and rerun at 8, I think) is supposed to feature Mahomes today.

Cardale is a long shot. I am not writing him off. I assume after a year with the team, the Bills have a fairly good idea of his potential. If they are high on him, they won't take a qb early this year.

My impression of many who want to defer qb till next year is that 1) most are severely underrating this qb class; those who aren't view them as at best a 1 in 3 chance to be good whilst viewing next year's top qbs as 1 in 2 or better and 2) they assume Taylor will prove to be a good qb and it won't be an issue or he will flop and our bad record will allow us to trade up or take a qb next year without needing to do so. It may be a tired response, but I still think the 2018 class, like almost every class "next year," benefits from lack of scrutiny. Maybe Darnold and Rosen and the Wyoming qb Allen are really good, maybe they will regress; nobody really knows. Unless you finish worst or second worst and draft at the very top, you likely aren't trading up for a top qb. The teams in those spots will take them unless SF takes a qb this year and still finishes near worst (which is possible). So, I find it ironic that advocates for "being sensible" and filling holes with less risky, more immediate impact players now are also largely buying in to "selling the farm" next year to get the qb they likely won't have an opportunity to purchase in any event. Won't the team have holes that need filling next year as well? The bottom line is if you judge a qb has real potential to be a franchise qb and you are in a position to draft him this year, it is utterly foolish to go in a different direction. We have tried the "different direction" for two decades and it has gotten us 1999 and counting.

Well stated, but folks will just come back at you that the run game was strong because of Tyrod. (He probably does help as the D has to account for another runner, but overall, a genuinely good qb is certainly something this team lacks and has lacked for nearly twenty years.)

He also thinks the NC coach was a bonehead for posting the pic of the Bills coach and owner when they were there to look at Trubisky. While a lot of folks think the Bryce Petty wine and dine is proof that the Bills interest in qb is a smokescreen, Gabriel thinks the presence of the owner signifies real interest in the position. Thinks the Bills at #10 will pick the third qb off the board (apparently either Kizer or Mahomes.) So, this is a meh qb class . . .

John C. made this post in another thread: The attached link is a WGR interview with Greg Gabriel. He talks about the qb class and his belief that the class is better than many non NFL analysts indicate. He pointed out that the top part of the class is going to be drafted in a rather short order. http://www.wgr550.co...-mike-schoppmp3 Note: The relevant part of the interview is from about the 7 minute to shortly after the 11 minute mark. It's pretty interesting.

Dobbs is my pick as well if we take a late round flier.

Yes, I think teams actually have the qbs rated higher than the popular view among most pundits and there are too many qb needy teams, including teams like the Cards and Steelers with aging vets that will be looking to add qb early. I don't really include Kizer, though I suspect he will go before #44 as well. Mahomes, Trubisky, and Watson are the qbs I am interested in. If one of them is there at #44, I will be very surprised. I will then be apoplectic when the Bills pass on whoever is there to take a different player.

I think you are way off on the quality of this qb draft class. Most likely they will be very Billsy and recycle cb.

You may be right, but all the qbs worth taking will be long gone by #44.