Ed_Formerly_of_Roch

That was the same deal that I got. Probably could have called back again to get something better, but decided not worth the hassle either. Am curious, do you have any movie packages , etc or other extras, as often heard they will give you more credits the higher your normal bill is. My regular credits just expired so I need call back and get something off normal bill.

More like they see what fits their own personal point.

What do you do, take a highlighter and just highlight the words that fit your narrative, then string them into a sentence to fit your point. Explain to me where the article said Beane made the trade without the coaches knowledge. Amazing how you can come to the conclusion you did based on what was stated. But I understand that's what most do these days to prove they are right. As they say don't let facts get in the way of your point.

The Bills have a new coaching staff, new front office, but one thing remains the same over the past few years and that's the training staff. For all we know they may have given Beane and McD an earful about Sammy always being hurt. You can argue about how good this training staff is or not, but one thing they do have is many years experience and it may be that based on that they can tell when you have a guy who's always complaining about some little boo boo and not one to suck it up. That may have been enough to convince Beane that no matter how well Watkins played this season (and likely being a contract year, the boo boos will go away much faster) he wasn't worth a long term deal as likely once he has the LT deal the number of visits to the training staff will be in direct proportion to the millions he signs for.

And got a receiver back who's put up better numbers than Sammy has. Sammy certainly has more potential, but to date hasn't shown it. Yes and got two players back in return, one who's put up better numbers than Sammy has. So you expect McDermott to say back in the spring, "We don't care about winning now, we're going for 2018 and beyond?" It amazes me here how everyone takes everything coaches/GM's, Owners even players say at 100% truth. No one in that position is going to tell you exactly what their thoughts truly are. They are going to tell you want they want you to hear and nothing more or less.

Could be every day, they'd here comments form Sammy like "Yeah the foot is still bothering me a little bit, but I'm fine to go" Made them realize he's always going to be a question mark and yes you could franchise him and sign him long term. But once he has the deal, will the foot then bother him more. Maybe they felt he wasn't one to play through pain much?? Kind of ironic on a way we traded a guy with a bad foot for a guy with a bad foot!

If they are fantastic prospects, they'd be taking a huge risk in not coming out as more chance they'd regress than have another great year. Players always say how they are stayting until around Jan 10th or so. Then when reality hits, they leave. Will they all come out, maybe not, but doubt they'd all return too. One of the big problems though... None of the top QB prospects are going to be seniors.Sam Darnold is a Sophomore. Josh Allen, Josh Rosen and Lamar Jackson are Juniors. This means some or all of them could return to school, even if they turn out to be fantastic prospects.

Got to make the Jets a bit nervous as they see the stock pile of picks we have that could allow us to jump over them. As has been pointed out, other teams above may not trade, but having the ammo still helps alot and the Jets don't have it. Unless the Bills do much better than some are thinking and they pick much lower, its not often a team could trade up to maybe the #2 overall pick and still have a couple of top three round picks left for other players.

I'm OK with the deals, but agree with many, not top 15, maybe top 25 or so. And to put Watkins in the list of top 15 as someone else did, is based purely on potential. IMO Watkins likely will have a much better year than Matthews as somehow players who've always been nicked up somehow heal very quickly in contract years. But lets see where they are in around 2 to 3 years as once they get the new big juicy contract, his foot (or other body parts) will start hurting more from walking around with all that extra money in his wallet and may be back to where he's been with great potential, requires double teaming when healthy. But the WHEN part is the hard part.

Well the last three years, he had better stats

Wasn't Jim Kelly a trade up. We gave up the rights to Tom Cousino (sp) and got a pick, not a true trade up, but did also work out.

I also don't see them making us much worse either. Yes Sammy is a stronger WR when he plays, but that'sa big if of him making it through the entire season. Though players in contract years often surprisingly do.

He has little value. If you want to trade someone who has some value, consider McCoy instead.

Maybe they had the picks. Lets assume without the trade they had 2 #1's and their own #2. Assume they finished again with the #10 pick and KC has the 20th pick, they'd need all three picks to get up the 2nd overall pick and more to get to #1. Now they could do that and still draft three more players. And if as you say this was a bad move they may now have a lower pick which could take even less to move up With the 5th or 6th pick plus KC's pick could get them up to #2 which leaves them with 4 more picks. Yes Watkins is the much better receiver on paper, but looking at career stats shows Matthews to be better. If Sammy has a so-so year and or gets hurt again, likely the Bills would have let him go and got nothing in return. If he had a real great year, doesn't miss any games, he gets either big contract from Buffalo or gets tagged. My prediction is Watkins has a real good year as players often will play through a bit more pain in contract years. But I also think once he has the contract, he's back on the sideline again more often than not. Regardless of what Sammy does this year, the "I told you so " crowd needs to wait about 2 to 3 seasons first and lets see how he does then consistently.

In todays NFL with limited practice time, it's hard enough to get the reps to develop one QB, but you're asking them to develop two.

So you don't think.... But Rodak who is there every day and sees whatever interaction there is between McDermott and Ragland, so he writes something that states that Ragland isn't doing that well and he's a rat. Wow. Amazing how no one is supposed to write anything negative about the Bills a team who hasn't been to the playoffs in 17 seasons and most people on a national level have ripped the hell out of him. But somehow you've figured out that Rodak is the problem. Maybe you should just stop following the team as Jack Nicholson once stated " You can't handle the truth!"

Yeah but the difference was Orton wasn't a pro-bowl QB I think the Lions would be willing to take a chance on Johnson and bring him back.

I think it was Royal Robert!

I'd agree with you on Kurt Warner, don't think he had a long enough career. Plus would prefer not having to see TV shots of Kurt's wife all weekend! My overall take is it's too easy to make the football HOF and too difficult to make the baseball HOF.

Yes property taxes are very high, but the houses themselves are much cheaper here than in most other cities. Yes they are still buying million dollar homes, but in NYC, NJ DC area and probably around 75% or more of the NFL cites, the same house would easily cost double. In spite of the taxes, the mortgage is the bigger part of the equation. In NJ a house that may be similar to what I own may cost a million!

Sounds like alot of what happened in Miami was the team trying to be politically correct after it happened and deny any involvement in the whole thing as far as they wanted Richie to help "toughen him up"

Good question. If I remember correctly, wasn't her NFL rookie of the month in Sept of his first year and was being called one of the steals of the draft. By seaso nend, was doing OK, no longer great. But that often happens with rookies when the hit "the rookie wall" I'd imagine for O-lineman it's an even bigger wall as lineman don't sub out very much so can see where he'd be even more tired than say a rookie Nickle back who's only playing 25% of the snaps. His second season he was out by early November with the illness. I don't know alot about Crohn's, but pretty certain it's not something that pops up overnight, so wouldn't be surprised to hear that it was already effecting him back in training camp and it took to November before it got so bad that he couldn't even play. So I chalk the 2nd season up to that. Over the past year have seen many people including in this thread argue that pot is a good treatment for Crohn's and others counter with it doesn't matter he knows it's illegal. Considering the situation he was in with dealing with the illness, I'm pretty certain his biggest concern was getting healthy and doing whatever he could to help with that and had little thought or worries abut the NFL rules. So were his failed drug tests from smoking during his extended illness, Did he maybe find it too easy to keep smoking,maybe? I can forgive him for that considering the situation. Last year, sounded like he still didn't have all of his weight and strength back at the beginning of the season anyway, plus had a 4 game suspension to begin with. A number here said the initial suspension was good in away as would give him time to get back to strength. Then along came the 2nd suspension, but would like to know the timing of the test? Was he smoking because he was still in pain? Bottom line IMO was the guy was pretty darn good as a rookie, if the illness is behind him and the pot was truly do to the illness, I'd keep him around and could see him becoming good if he can stay clean.

There was a guy on the Bamonte Jones show late this afternoon, works for ESPN out of Charlotte, can't remember his name, but he basically that Gett was fired for all the reasons you state below. He said he's trying to make it all about the numbers and be cut throat like Belichick, but he doesn't have the rep to pull that off like Belichick has and that he's just been too cold to the players. He also mentioned some player was was released recently, can't recall the name but this guy was real well liked by Richardson. and felt that cutting this guy was the last straw and did him in. He said he was brought in to be a numbers guy and make the cuts needed to straighten them out salary cap wise, but that's also been what did him in as he was too cold in his dealings. He also talked how if Beane were still there, he'd likely been announced this afternoon already as the replacement.

My take on this is for whatever reason he doesn't want to play for the Jets and sees them(and maybe Jax) in the best position to tank and get the #1 or #2 overall pick. so he's saying I'm staying in school, hoping they'll give up the tank idea. But I agree it's all a smokescreen, if he's top 5 or so, he'll declare for the draft.

Richard Sherman is stating NFL players need to consider striking to get better deals like the NBA and MLB. He then praises NBA players for being smart and working around the cap by taking 2 year deals. NBA players like KD and LeBron are sitting there taking two-year deals like it's nothing," Sherman said. "They figure, 'I'll take a two-year deal because I'm going to wait for the salary cap to increase and get another bite at the apple.' In our sport, they won't do it." Great idea Richard when you consider the average NFL career is only three years long. Losing 1/2 years salary will look real good when you only play for three seasons!