Bob in STL

He can start by playing better in practice. What is the infatuation with this guy.

Texting his wife and friend from the sidelines. Happy with his decision. Nothing in that article changes my opinion.

They have a QB coach on the roster, too many cooks can spoil the soup. He was working with Jordan Palmer in the off season and maybe that will resume.

Joe Buscalia No doubt that Allen and Edmunds have to get better, they are rookies in critical positions and they are learning., but to consider the thought that the OL is not a big problem is like saying you have not watched the games. PFF is pretty good but they do not know the game plan going in so their analysis is not complete IMO ... Joe Buscaglia is not a football expert. He is WKBW Bills beat reporter. He is more qualified to make a Bocce's Pizza than he is to grade out NFL players. I will agree with your notion that the fans here need to chill out and let the season unfold. I do Trust the Process and I am sticking with this staff for the next few years. Last year showed me a lot about this coach and we need to give them a few years.

That article is pretty much a sign of the times. Give poor behavior a pass. Excuse it away. Sometimes doing the right thing is hard. Davis can quit and it’s ok because the Buffalo Bills deserve it for things that happened years ago. Was being a playoff team last year a problem too? Nevermind that Davis is aveteran and signed a $5M deal that he chose not to honor in the worst way. Never mind that the Coach allowed him to make the team, even when his practice and preseason play were below par. McDermott honored Davis veteran status, paid him fairly, yet this is the Bills fault. Davis can make McDermott look bad and given today’s way of thinking he gets supporters. I have been following sports, especially football, a long time. Seen every franchise struggle for long periods. Todays media like to poke those that are down. It’s part of the humor that fits the times I guess.

If you have the first pick, or even a top 3 you might want to keep it as elite talent can be game changing. Trading down with one those picks should be very expensive.

Were are there to see them. The three times I went there I really enjoyed seeing the older members. My favorite players are from my youth and I do indeed enjoy seeing them and getting to talk to them.

Agree. There are enough Billions $$$ to insure and provide a pension to all the players, not just the HOF players. The guys that played before the union was established deserve better. The money is there and these guys are not going to live forever. There are a lot of players that made very little. In the 60's and prior it was common for them to work two or three jobs. The really big contracts started around the 70's and not all got them. Free agency caused bigger increases in pay, that and the CBA.

There is no fixing it this season by adding free agents. The players available on the street are just about the same level of junk that we have, beside the new players have a learning curve too. The idea that a team with a good OL player will trade him to us for a draft choice is not going to happen either. The weakest player is Miller, then Groy, then Mills and Ducasse. Dawkins is the only solid player in the group. Groy is decent as a C/G backup player as he can back up two positions. Kind of like a Mitch Ferotte but not as good. Most people wont agree and they will say Ducasse is 2nd worst or even the worst but that is not what the game film breakdown tells you. Not that Ducasse is solid, he isn't. Groy is not making good line calls and he has been flagged for illegal procedure. He telegraphs the snap with a head bob on almost every down, putting the rest of the line in a bad position right off the bat. Bodine at center and move Groy to guard and get Miller out ... that is an option. The other is to stay with Groy at center and try Teller for Miller. The OT situation is almost as bad. Pray that Dawkins and the very marginal Mills stay healthy. To fix this mess I think that trading down on our #1 pick to stockpile a few prime picks is in order. We need to draft a few lineman next year in the earlier rounds and we need to find some real help in free agency. We also have dire needs at WR and CB. There is a lot to fix.

Read my post. I never said Reich was a vet or Kelly’s mentor. Nowhere in this thread did I start the mentor concept. I said Reich was his peer, which he was. I do note Kelly’s comments in which he has said numerous time that having Reich there was like having another coach. Reich and Kelly prepared together. During the games Reich was in tune to everything. Elway had had the same relationship with his peer backup, Gary Kubiak.

I never said to sign Moore, but I would have liked it and I think it would have been a smarter move than signing McCarron. BTW - Carr had veteran Matt Schaub on the roster. Goff had veteran Case Keenum on the roster. That is 70% of your list debunked. Most rookie QBs do not start but some do. Most teams have a veteran QB on the roster but rarely not all. If the rookie plays good enough to start then so be it. Having the veteran on the team is smart should the rookie get hurt or is just not ready. Having a veteran that can help the rookie is even smarter. The Bills did none of this. How you can defend what Beane did because you think having a veteran on the roster is "old school" is a bad argument on your part. There is more than one way to develop a rookie. Beane himself probably wishes things would have turned out different. I highly doubt he thinks everything is going to plan at the QB position.

Your math is about as good as your football knowledge. I addressed 50% of the list and added 3 more HoF QB who did not start as rookies. Do your research instead of throwing out partial truths and misleading information.

Kelly had Reich. Elway had Kubiak. Both were lower talent but with huge football IQ. Montana sat behind Steve DeBerg for 2 years. Marino had the veteran Don Strock on the roster with him. Rivers sat behind Brees for 2 years. Big Ben had Tommy Maddox on the roster. Wentz has Foles. Favre, Brady, and Rogers all sat on the bench for awhile. You just don't get it. Yes, some rookie QBs can make it and they are not the norm. Just because a QB starts as a rookie does not mean they don't have another QB on the roster helping them prepare. That does not mean the backup has to be a star, or a former star, just someone with some solid NFL knowledge. If you think that Josh Allen is being handled properly and that having the wisdom of Nate Peterman on his side is good enough I disagree. Most scouts seemed to think that Allen is raw and needs time to learn and time to work on fundamentals. If you like the plan of bringing in McCarron and cutting him, and then going with Peterman then fine. I think the plan was flawed. I would have preferred bringing in a more proven veteran and then letting Allen beat him out for the job. Winning the job by default because Peterman is incapable is not the best way to go for Allen. I just hope he makes it. Maybe he has a good QB coach?

If you ask Jim he will tell you Frank Reich was his biggest supporter and coach and that they prepared together and that during games Reich helped him immensely. Yes, they were peers but at least he had someone there who understood what being a QB meant. It should be no surprise to see Reich coaching today, as he a natural at it.

Totally disagree. Letting the talented but inexperienced try to succeed on his own at the hardest position to master in the NFL, maybe in all of team sports, is lazy and wishful thinking. God forbid that Allen gets hurt and we have to endure any more play from Peterman. The fact that there is no veteran QB on this team right now is inexcusable. There isn't even another prospect on the PS. If this is the new way you can have it.

Bills fans are indeed among the most loyal in the NFL and that is well known around the league. You can think otherwise but I have seen fans in other cities and the passion is not at the same level in all 32 cities. The "abrupt" retirements are more about the Bills bottom feeding on washed up rental players (do to the cap situation) than anything else. Incognito being an exception, the man is ill. The dead cap issue was in part created by the current regime. Next year the cap will be clear and I sure hope they know how to use the money.

Well sure there were things out of anyone's control but there is a lot more to this. Beane made the decisions on who not to sign, who to trade, the draft picks and the free agent signings. I get he did not have much cap money but he also created a lot of the dead cap space by unloading players on contract. He brought in Star, Trent, McCarron, Kerley, Vontae, and Bodine. Not exactly a bumper crop of free agents and none of them are better, in fact most are much worse, than the players they are replacing. So, while I am all for giving Beane and McDermott the benefit of the doubt and even 3-4 years to get this fixed, I must say my confidence in them is starting to erode a bit.

Should they fire Tomlin and cut Big Ben?

Losing breeds bad blood. I would have thought that after making the playoffs the team would have been on an upswing. The post season was really bad for this team.

Who Rex and Rob? no, Terry and Kim? no wait, Buddy and Whaley? No hold on, its Marrone and Hackett? No, wait a minute, I got it, it all goes back to Jauron and Brandon ... or was it Chan and Fitz? This would not be TSW without a favorite whipping boy or two.

Yes, we had an injury to deal with and him quitting left no spare CBs. I dont think his departure will hurt anything. We will pick up a corner and move on. It might actually serve to unite the defense even more. I question the character if anyone that thinks what he did, at the time he did it, was the correct thing. Reading a lot of comments here and in national media from fans thinking this is ok because the Bills are a bad team. This was not right and it’s not a joke and the Bills should make every effort to see he does not get any more money than the legal minimum.

How would the TV crew know that McD took over the defensive play calls? Them having access to halftime changes is the last thing the game needs.

Mills look really bad today, followed closely by Miller. Pathetic.

Close. Marine had better talent and now he has Coughlin. That helps.

Fine if his heart is not in it and his brain is telling him to stop playing. But tell the coaches you can’t go and just sit the 2nd half. Be there to support the team, especially with another guy hurt and no backup corners left. After the game talk to the coach. Retire on Monday. This is all about him meeting the absolute minimum required to get paid. What a bum.