Bob in STL

Your math is about as good as your football knowledge. I addressed 50% of the list and added 3 more HoF QB who did not start as rookies. Do your research instead of throwing out partial truths and misleading information.

Kelly had Reich. Elway had Kubiak. Both were lower talent but with huge football IQ. Montana sat behind Steve DeBerg for 2 years. Marino had the veteran Don Strock on the roster with him. Rivers sat behind Brees for 2 years. Big Ben had Tommy Maddox on the roster. Wentz has Foles. Favre, Brady, and Rogers all sat on the bench for awhile. You just don't get it. Yes, some rookie QBs can make it and they are not the norm. Just because a QB starts as a rookie does not mean they don't have another QB on the roster helping them prepare. That does not mean the backup has to be a star, or a former star, just someone with some solid NFL knowledge. If you think that Josh Allen is being handled properly and that having the wisdom of Nate Peterman on his side is good enough I disagree. Most scouts seemed to think that Allen is raw and needs time to learn and time to work on fundamentals. If you like the plan of bringing in McCarron and cutting him, and then going with Peterman then fine. I think the plan was flawed. I would have preferred bringing in a more proven veteran and then letting Allen beat him out for the job. Winning the job by default because Peterman is incapable is not the best way to go for Allen. I just hope he makes it. Maybe he has a good QB coach?

If you ask Jim he will tell you Frank Reich was his biggest supporter and coach and that they prepared together and that during games Reich helped him immensely. Yes, they were peers but at least he had someone there who understood what being a QB meant. It should be no surprise to see Reich coaching today, as he a natural at it.

Totally disagree. Letting the talented but inexperienced try to succeed on his own at the hardest position to master in the NFL, maybe in all of team sports, is lazy and wishful thinking. God forbid that Allen gets hurt and we have to endure any more play from Peterman. The fact that there is no veteran QB on this team right now is inexcusable. There isn't even another prospect on the PS. If this is the new way you can have it.

Bills fans are indeed among the most loyal in the NFL and that is well known around the league. You can think otherwise but I have seen fans in other cities and the passion is not at the same level in all 32 cities. The "abrupt" retirements are more about the Bills bottom feeding on washed up rental players (do to the cap situation) than anything else. Incognito being an exception, the man is ill. The dead cap issue was in part created by the current regime. Next year the cap will be clear and I sure hope they know how to use the money.

Well sure there were things out of anyone's control but there is a lot more to this. Beane made the decisions on who not to sign, who to trade, the draft picks and the free agent signings. I get he did not have much cap money but he also created a lot of the dead cap space by unloading players on contract. He brought in Star, Trent, McCarron, Kerley, Vontae, and Bodine. Not exactly a bumper crop of free agents and none of them are better, in fact most are much worse, than the players they are replacing. So, while I am all for giving Beane and McDermott the benefit of the doubt and even 3-4 years to get this fixed, I must say my confidence in them is starting to erode a bit.

Should they fire Tomlin and cut Big Ben?

Losing breeds bad blood. I would have thought that after making the playoffs the team would have been on an upswing. The post season was really bad for this team.

Who Rex and Rob? no, Terry and Kim? no wait, Buddy and Whaley? No hold on, its Marrone and Hackett? No, wait a minute, I got it, it all goes back to Jauron and Brandon ... or was it Chan and Fitz? This would not be TSW without a favorite whipping boy or two.

Yes, we had an injury to deal with and him quitting left no spare CBs. I dont think his departure will hurt anything. We will pick up a corner and move on. It might actually serve to unite the defense even more. I question the character if anyone that thinks what he did, at the time he did it, was the correct thing. Reading a lot of comments here and in national media from fans thinking this is ok because the Bills are a bad team. This was not right and it’s not a joke and the Bills should make every effort to see he does not get any more money than the legal minimum.

How would the TV crew know that McD took over the defensive play calls? Them having access to halftime changes is the last thing the game needs.

Mills look really bad today, followed closely by Miller. Pathetic.

Close. Marine had better talent and now he has Coughlin. That helps.

Fine if his heart is not in it and his brain is telling him to stop playing. But tell the coaches you can’t go and just sit the 2nd half. Be there to support the team, especially with another guy hurt and no backup corners left. After the game talk to the coach. Retire on Monday. This is all about him meeting the absolute minimum required to get paid. What a bum.

I used to love beating the Colts when Jimmy boy was their QB.

Come on, I said two seasons. TWO SEASONS is not a long time. If he is showing improvement then I give him the third season as well. Lose the locker room? They can go 0-16 and Allen won't loose the locker room if he is progressing and assumes leadership. Today, he took the lead out there. That was the best part of his performance. Afterwards he was accountable for his game. Cannot ask for more.

you forgot about disrespectful to your teammates which is worst of all. Just wait, by tomorrow he will say this is all a misunderstanding and then claim an injury. Whatever it takes to get paid.

So I am going to give Allen a few YEARS to develop. Not a game, not a few games. At least a few seasons. Others can pick apart every play but IMO he is learning and he has a lot to learn.

Did not say I bought the reason. I said he had on and he did not quit in the game. huge difference. I don't care about the rumors either.

Retiring in camp I can understand. Retiring at halftime of a game? Maybe you can understand it but sure I don't understand it, and I don't want to understand it, and I would not want someone like that on my team in any capacity. So in the long run this is addition by subtraction. It is not acceptable no matter if we outscored 106-6.

Boldin quit in preseason, and had a reason, big difference. Richie retired, then asked to be cut and we all know he is not well … another big difference. Vontae Davis quit on his team at halftime with no injury. What a bum. Who the heck Robinson?

He did not communicate a thing to the coaches because McD said after the game that "he took himself out" McD did not know why. I would criticize him all day long for quitting. Even if he did not want to play for whatever reason why not come out and be with the team? If he is injured that is one thing but if he was injured McD did not know about it.

Overall a good effort for a rookie, playing against a good defense with a bad OL and bad receivers. The accuracy questions are very real … he missed a few easy ones, especially a few short ones, and throwing behind his receivers on occasion. Obviously he was playing under big pressure as our OL is putrid. I like the leadership he showed.

Wrong. He was voted to 3 pro bowls and 2 All APro Teams while playing on a very crappy team. This means he was widely recognized by the league and the sports writers. He was a shutdown corner before they came up with the term. He was the reason they outlawed the bump and run. James is on the Bills Wall of Fame after a 6 year career. This is both recognition and appreciation. They can get no higher honor. Had and he played 10 years he may have been a Hall of Fame player, but like many, many, others players injuries shortened a great career. He he was not underappreciated but time moves on.

Rueben was excellent and not underrated by virtue of his many Pro Bowls. I thought Jim Ritcher and Joe Devlin were underrated Offensive Lineman.