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They wouldn't have to give up 18, 26, and a 2nd to move 2 spots. I could see maybe 26. Maybe just a 2nd. Detroit will likely get the same player at 5 than at 3.

2 1sts and a 2nd for a corner? That seems extremely excessive, but it may be the case. Or Isaiah Simmons to combat McCaffrey.

OBJ also played all of last year with a sports hernia. Can to provide examples? They both tend to have a loud mouth but as far as I know Beckham's never been fined or suspended.

You're original.

The Browns big mistake last year was hiring Kitchens. We'll see about Stefanski, but he seems to be much more organized. The Bills did well hiring McDermott. The guys running the Browns FO now wanted him rather than Hue Jackson years ago, do I honestly think they'll run similar programs. It's just funny when people act like the Bills are perennial SB contenders.

The Bills have been 1 and done twice in 3 years, and 3 years ago they had to back in on a Bengals prayer game. Congrats. Cleveland beat Buffalo last year. Either way, neither team has done anything impressive for years.

Diggs has been traded as times as OBJ. Diggs was fined $200,000 for missed meetings and causing problems last year. It's funny how people convince themselves their guy is a better guy just because, despite evidence that says otherwise.

MKC from the Plain Dealer says a source in the Browns' FO called the report "false." 1 word answer.

This is gold coming from a Bills fan. We've both sucked forever.

The touchback call I think was just common sense. He obviously gave himself up in the endzone, so it's a touchback. The delay of game is hard to tell. The broadcast didn't always show the right numbers. By the picture it was, but there's no way to tell if it actually was a penalty. The "helmet to helmet" wasn't a penalty. To me that's not even close. I do think the crack back penalty was a bit excessive for what happened.

Cooks had 580 yards last year and has an extensive concussion history. This trade isn't as bad as the Hopkins trade, but it's still bad. And they wouldn't have needed to do it if he hadn't traded Hopkins. They're chasing their tail and getting significantly worse.

Bill O'Brien is an idiot. He essentially just traded Hopkins for Cooks and basically moved up 17 spots in the 2nd round. Terrible, terrible trade.

I think he's meaning if Watkins out in the effort and maximized his talent, he wouldn't be a bust. So it s combination of draft position and player.

Why wouldn't they have Garrett?

Pretty sure. He's decent, but no where near what he should be.

Is he? 673 and 3TDs with Mahomes vs 651 and 6 TDs with Carr. KC has a lot more options to throw to, but Watkins isn't good.

Look at the demon claws on left one!

I have no clue how a guy who had 3.5 sacks last year wants $20 million. It's insane. Clowney is a good player, but I don't feel he is elite.

Much better huh? Cleveland beat Buffalo last year in case you forgot. Freddie Kitchens was garbage. He called plays during the games that weren't practiced all week. He was clueless. Buffalo did have a better year last year but to say that they're much better is a bit of a reach.

The cores are similar too. Drafted QB, RB, CB1, olines are mixtures, WRs are almost entirely "acquired" players, dlines are mixtures, lbs are similar. Again, most teams are.

What does that even mean?

Seems Buffalo is built through free agency about the same as Cleveland at this point. Most teams are to some extent.

I bet Cleveland is in play. A need at RG and the Stefanski connection.

Now they've agreed with Conklin.

Vaitai got $10 million a year. $14 million for Conklin is a decent deal