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Vernon tore his achilles in week 17. He won't be back. He's solid, but not coming off that injury.

Cleveland? Opposite Garrett, with an up and coming young team. I think Cleveland is just as high as Tennessee. Probably a little behind KC and Buffalo but still right there.

You do realize Allen lost to Watson in the playoffs just last year, right? A game Buffalo lead 16-0 in the 3rd quarter. At this point in time I take Allen over Watson if I had to choose one or the other. But let's stop pretending like Watson isn't a great quarterback.

Unseated a 7-9 team with hot garbage at QB. I honestly have no clue how they even ended up at 7-9. McDermott is a great coach. Imagine, the Browns were planning to hire him instead of Hue Jackson until Haslam stepped in. As I said, McDermott was fully deserving of the award. If he would have won it I would have completely understood. But it's amazing seeing people act like Stefanski did an "ok" job this year. He completely changed the team and the culture. In one year. Without any offseason at all.

Because last year the talent didn't matter. Cleveland went from 6-10 to 11-5. Ended a 18 year playoff drought and won a playoff game. The talent from last year to this year didn't change much. Only thing that changed was the coach. Add in that Stefanski did all that without an offseason and without a preseason as a first time head coach. Mcdermott is a great coach, and he would have deserved it too, but he has had his system in place for 4 years now makes this offseason situation a lot easier to manage.

On Goff.

You can't deny interviews when it's a promotion.

So I say "a bunch" and you require 4 sources. You say "almost universally" and think 1 is fine. Makes sense.

Cleveland beat Tennessee too. You also left out where Indianapolis got blown out by Tennessee two weeks later. How about how they gave Jacksonville their only win of the year? The Packers win is obviously impressive. Well done. Doesn't mean they're a "great" team. Good, solid playoff team.

You said universally considered better yet gave 1 example. Define "universally." I'll post some links I found later but I'm on a phone right now. Once I have access to a PC I will do that.

Universally, huh? Cleveland beat Indy pretty easily early in the year. Cleveland was the higher playoff seed. Football Outsiders is 1 metric. A bunch of power rankings and such had Cleveland ahead.

I love how because Buffalo best Indy that Indy is magically better then Cleveland. Except they aren't. That, and the fact that KC and GB only played 1 game in the playoffs, and given how the seeding works they HAD to pay the lowest team remaining.

The league does send in Drs. They aren't team Drs who make the determination. Reid has nothing to do with it.

If you release a player, you can't get comp picks for them.

I'm not saying it'll happen, but Pittsburgh is 1-4 in the last 5 games and they aren't unbeatable. Run the ball, control the clock, and you have a chance.

Tannehill has been very good too. Henry is the focal point but the offense is pretty solid all the way around.

To be fair, nothing Kitchens did last year worked out too well.

The dude was playing with receivers who had never played in a game before. Not just one, all of them. They had to do a walk-through in the parking garage Sunday morning because they didn't know they were losing the receivers till Saturday afternoon. Mayfield definitely didn't play well but he didn't have anything to work with either. I was more disappointed in the run game.

Chubb is a FA after next season.

The Browns also played three weeks in a row in very bad wind or rain which limited passing for both teams. They averaged like 145 yards a game for three games in a row. Also take into account that Buffalo has been running the same offensive system for 3-year straight in Cleveland has been running four systems in three years. It takes a while to get comfortable in a system and really open up what you're trying to do. And Cleveland leads the league in rushing. The total offenses are 11 yards a game difference.

Go Bills!

He wasn't asked to. 20-25 in the first half. 5-8 in the 2nd in mostly obvious passing downs.

A 7-3 garbage heap. Right.

And the Bills have made the playoffs very recently, but they also had a huge stretch before that, and haven't won a playoff game since 95. Quit acting like Buffalo's history had been much better.

That's not how it works. I thought it was funny when everyone said it should be a forfeit. How should a team get a win without playing? I get punishing Tennessee, but you can't reward a team for doing nothing.