BigDingus

Out of all the things people are saying, I feel this is the most accurate. Having that safety net back there really changed what the defense was able to do. The defense Frazier wants to run & the pressure we want to generate without blitzing is made possible having 2 x All Pros (and great leaders) back there anchoring the DBs. Then when you lose Milano or Edmunds on top of that & still no Tre White? The defense becomes a shell of what it used to be.

My mom called with like 40 seconds left to celebrate the win (after the defense made the stop)... Last time she did that was in January with 13 seconds left... I knew I shouldn't have answered the phone 😭

This thread cursed us 🤣

I don't see many people "turning on him," just people being overly sensitive about criticism. Why is it OK to constantly call out Edmunds, McDermott, Oliver, Frazier, Dorsey, Singletary, Gabe, the entire defense, etc... literally anyone BUT Allen? It's like the Tyrod days all over again. Can't say anything about the QB, shift blame to everyone else, otherwise you're a "hater" & not a "true" Bills fan... Does anyone honestly believe there's a single Bills fan that doesn't want Allen to succeed? Who isn't desperately rooting for him? Who is legitimately calling for him to be traded/benched? There might be a handful of nuts out there, mostly on Twitter, but most everyone else is just disappointed, venting, or trying to come to terms that our QB likely isn't ever going to be consistently elite. If anything, fans are just guilty of propping him up to unfair expectations (MVP, better than Mahomes, SB favorite), and I'm guilty of that too. But criticizing recent play, playing us straight out of the 1st seed again, mid-season regression again, turnover prone AGAIN... these are just fair & normal criticisms for fans to make. We've seen this story before. Nobody wanted a repeat & another "Arrowhead invitational" again (as Nick Wright so annoyingly puts it), yet here we are. That's it. No betrayal or turning on players necessary. Just stop acting like QB is immune to criticism we levy at everyone else (and do so far more frequently).

He was great from rookie season onward, how is he overrated? Was runner up for DROY, became an All Pro, was consistently mentioned as a top 3 CB... Compared to Elam & Benford, he looks like a HOFer. Problem is we're missing all of our defensive All Pros now. No Poyer, no Hyde, no White... all secondary players. It's not a surprise why the defense is struggling at times, but the same can't be said for the offense.

He's been playing careless with the ball throughout the season, defenders have often not been able to punish it. More batted balls at the line than any time before, throwing balls into the back of your O-linemen's head, staring down guys from snap to throw, allowing coverage to know exactly where you're going with the ball... It's not like he just started the turnovers in GB, he was already doing that prior. Difference is he was able to balance that out a bit with positive drives & points. And just like with the COVID season, Josh plays best when he's absolved from so much pressure. When things are well, he can ride it & keep it going, but when he's in a slump, he forces things, gets desperate, then regresses on everything from reading defenses to going through progressions, to even bad mechanics...

Defenders get paid too you know, they're not just there for looks. Sometimes they do their job & cover people... crazy, I know. In that situation, the right response isn't force a bad throw right into 2-3 defenders, it's throw it away or run. Josh also isn't looking for safety net/outlet passes underneath anymore, it's always press the issue even when there's zero chance it'll turn out well.

Obviously we'll be back, but c'mon, don't act like everything is fine & this is just your usual tough loss. Our QB hasn't played well for nearly a month now. We're about to be THIRD in our division. People love to pretend Allen is on the same level as Mahomes, but he's just not. We're losing home field advantage once again, and we're all tired of this disappointment. Nobody is saying we won't make the playoffs, but c'mon, is a WC spot & going through Arrowhead AGAIN really going to make anyone happy?

Don't even start with this... I don't want to hear blame on Frazier, Dorsey, McDermott, Gabe, Knox, Edmunds, etc etc etc... you know, all the usual shifting of blame. We had every opportunity to win it, and at each turn, Josh made costly mistakes. That simple, regardless of ANYTHING else. We're lucky the Packers were so bad, otherwise it'd be a 3 game losing skid, all with multiple INT games from Allen.

Yep. The saddest part is seeing him regress so quickly too. 3 points all half until the final 40 second drive (after another turnover gives them a lead), only 3 points from Josh & the offense off turnovers (compared to the Vikings who scored every time), a redzone INT, and now an overtime INT to lose the game. This is 3 straight weeks with 2 x INT's, bad ones at that. He's rarely taking what the defense gives him, and consistently throwing dangerous passes into double/triple coverage. It's so sad to watch.

This team's biggest flaw is also its biggest strength... Blow a 14 point lead, don't kick a FG to make it a 17 point lead, 3 points the entire 2nd half, poor decisions, 3 points off turnovers, several turnovers yourself.... Then drive the field in 41 seconds to send the game to OT. Why can't it ever be easy?! Oh, and F*** FOX! How do you drop the game your viewers have been watching for hours, just to catch the start of the Cowboys game?! 😡

That was execution. He went for the pick instead of batting down the ball.

Our defense is drastically different without Hyde & Poyer.

Aside from Josh needing to drastically improve his decision making, we need other receiving threats aside from Diggs to step up. Yes, we've seen plenty of plays where Josh just ignores the open guy, zoning in on Diggs from snap to pass, but there's other opportunities where a play is needed & nobody is gaining any separation.

It's scary to think we have to rely on him to do that... And it's sad I feel that way too

Weird how every other team can convert points off turnovers...

That wasn't the call, Josh improvised & at this point, everyone knows his tendency to run right & force throws right as he's about to hit the boundary line. It happens so consistently now, you just know as he's approaching the sideline he's going to force that throw no matter what.

Why.... why does he keep throwing redzone picks. Jesus Christ I just wanted one game without the INTs, and now he's hurt too?

And this is where 3 points off 2 turnovers sucks...

Aaaand safest team to be 3rd & long against.... it's always a conversion somehow

Shocking. We did nothing off a turnover again. If I had to guess, we're the safest team to commit turnovers against. Most of the time, it's nothing but a small break for the offense that committed it, then quickly back on the field

Now if only the offense could take advantage & punish an opponent for their turnovers.

Sadly, it looks like the same Josh who was 100% the last 2 games...

It's painful to say it, but you rarely see Mahomes play this bad for long stretches. His bad games tend to look like tonight, not a lot of TDs, but still moving the ball.