BigDingus

Yup. That second Allen INT was one of the worst I've ever seen from a pro QB. But it is what it is, you just have to take the good with the bad & hope Allen gets it together when it matters most. Having all the time in the world, completely open vision, then just noodle arming it to a DB? Weird.

Of course they're an issue. Anyone that says otherwise is lying to themselves. You can't say 16 turnovers is "fine" or "no problem." But that's what you get with Josh Allen, and you just have to take the good with the bad. This team only goes as far as Allen takes them, so you ride it out & hope for the best! He's our QB, and we support him despite the flaws 👍

Also, we can see Allen can play just fine in cold & snow. Him & the offense struggle in wind & rain, but everyone does. LOVED this game!

This may have been my favorite regular season game of the Allen era! Allen was on point all game, and if it weren't for a bunch of drops, offense was clutch! Also, crazy how close the games with Miami were this year. In 2 games, there was a combined 1 point difference (Bills 51 points, Fish 50).

Normally I'd be rooting for a crazy comeback, but the Bills have so few league-wide records I don't want one to get eclipsed! Hell, if Brady had lost 3 straight Super Bowls & was in a 4th, I'd be praying for him to win just so we still at least had that record 😅

I feel like some of that is Dorsey's offense & the team not being quite on the same page as they were under Daboll. The O-line still isn't good imo, just serviceable. Josh also hasn't been as patient with taking what the defense gives him, leading to go falling back into old tendencies. Biggest sore spot is still redzone offense. Turnovers & inability to score TDs has helped keep lesser teams in many games against us.

Just another one of those times weather helps keep inferior teams in the game... The conditions help neutralize our biggest strength & provide opportunities to make the game a sloppier affair than usual

I just don't think McD believes he's the best option for the job. We fans want to see him & have high expectations due to his draft position, but I gotta think Frazier & McDermott also would want him playing IF they thought it was best for the team.

Biggest difference was Josh's back to back drives nearly throwing a pick into double, then quadruple coverage, were both somehow dropped. Then the Pats scored 0 points off his fumble (not really his fault imo though, pressure was there instantly). I know, it's a bit of a negative post, but he's not "back to old Josh" just yet.

True, but Josh isn't good at that anymore... I don't know why, but he's just started playing careless again. But as you said, pressure was there pretty quick, so normally you could forgive it.

Aaaand this is what I was afraid of... throwing into double coverage & nearly picked, then throwing into quadruple coverage... Just throw it away please!

Gonna be honest, that exact type of throw is what has lead to so many turnovers lately & almost gave me a heart attack! Redzone, rollout to the right, then throw across the body to the middle of the endzone right as he's nearing the sideline. Glad it worked, but I definitely stopped breathing for a moment...

Go figure, another 1 score game. Really inspires confidence huh

Nothing we've seen from this game is encouraging... on either side of the ball. Why is everything so damn hard for this team? I mean seriously, EVERYTHING is a struggle! Can't tackle, can't cover, can't run, 50% completions again, can't cover ST, can't hit PAT's... it's everything!

This team is back to finding ways to lose... Why does it always have to be so difficult?!

Plenty of people are happy with the win. But people like to talk football. Pointing out the obvious & discussing it isn't PTSD or indicative of people being negative... so dramatic. Discussion & speculation is what this board is for. It's not all "Rah! Rah! Bills best everrrr!" and talking about issues doesn't make you a bad fan. I'll always think back to that thread before the GB game where some tweet was arrogantly asking why Bills fans aren't more confident (because they weren't out gloating/being cocky thinking we'd steamroll everyone)... Well look how the past month has been! Mocking replies where people sarcastically say "remember the Jags"... as if that could never possibly happen again?? C'mon. Nobody said the sky is falling. Nobody is saying all hope is lost. Nobody isn't cheering for the team or burning their Josh Alllen jerseys. But for some reason, express concern after a month of your QB struggling, the same one everyone was more than happy to proclaim was BETTER than Mahomes & MVP favorite, you're suddenly "negative," or have PTSD, or have posts psychoanalyzing how that may reflect on their family life? 😑 I hope people can just accept not all fans want to just coast by the entire season pretending everything's perfect. Sometimes we like to discuss what we see on the field & speculate on how it impacts our chances going forward. / this ends today's Ted Talk

So Josh hasn't played well for a month now... is it too late to bring Daboll back? He just choked against the Lions, might be available 😅 Speaking of which... Lions D played s pretty good game & that offense put up 31 points. Hope the Bills don't take them too lightly this week

Just having warm bodies available isn't the same as having CBs who can play WELL.

Since I'm obsessed with the weather news, $10 says Josh has a great game now that it's been moved to a dome & will make those passes with ease this week 😉

I know it's petty af, but if I were the Lions brass/NFL, I'd say "Nope! A roof wasn't important to you when you invested $1.4 billion in a new stadium, don't come asking to use one ours now!" 🤣

As far as I'm concerned, they shouldn't be favorites in any game until they actually prove it again. Remember, the Browns are a much different team when at home this year. Here's their home results this season: Loss: 30-31 (Jets) Win: 29-17 (Steelers) Loss: 28-30 (Chargers) Loss: 15-38 (Patriots) Win: 32-13 (Bengals) So aside from the Patriots, they either won each game or choked away the game (Jets, Chargers). Aside from the Steelers, all those teams have winning records too. The Browns actually show up to play at home, regardless of the opponent.

Out of all the things people are saying, I feel this is the most accurate. Having that safety net back there really changed what the defense was able to do. The defense Frazier wants to run & the pressure we want to generate without blitzing is made possible having 2 x All Pros (and great leaders) back there anchoring the DBs. Then when you lose Milano or Edmunds on top of that & still no Tre White? The defense becomes a shell of what it used to be.

My mom called with like 40 seconds left to celebrate the win (after the defense made the stop)... Last time she did that was in January with 13 seconds left... I knew I shouldn't have answered the phone 😭

This thread cursed us 🤣

I don't see many people "turning on him," just people being overly sensitive about criticism. Why is it OK to constantly call out Edmunds, McDermott, Oliver, Frazier, Dorsey, Singletary, Gabe, the entire defense, etc... literally anyone BUT Allen? It's like the Tyrod days all over again. Can't say anything about the QB, shift blame to everyone else, otherwise you're a "hater" & not a "true" Bills fan... Does anyone honestly believe there's a single Bills fan that doesn't want Allen to succeed? Who isn't desperately rooting for him? Who is legitimately calling for him to be traded/benched? There might be a handful of nuts out there, mostly on Twitter, but most everyone else is just disappointed, venting, or trying to come to terms that our QB likely isn't ever going to be consistently elite. If anything, fans are just guilty of propping him up to unfair expectations (MVP, better than Mahomes, SB favorite), and I'm guilty of that too. But criticizing recent play, playing us straight out of the 1st seed again, mid-season regression again, turnover prone AGAIN... these are just fair & normal criticisms for fans to make. We've seen this story before. Nobody wanted a repeat & another "Arrowhead invitational" again (as Nick Wright so annoyingly puts it), yet here we are. That's it. No betrayal or turning on players necessary. Just stop acting like QB is immune to criticism we levy at everyone else (and do so far more frequently).