BigDingus

Smith had a very good career, and leading the 49ers to a few points shy of the Super Bowl, then repeating his great play before getting hurt & benched for an inferior QB. Then after going to KC, the Chiefs consistently made the playoffs, and was also a Pro Bowlers in 3 of the 5 seasons he played for them. Not saying he was "great," just a GOOD, stable, consistent QB for his franchise. The year before he was injured he threw for 26 TD's & 5 INT's, and has a lifetime W/L record of 94-66-1. Again, not an all-time great, but still more than just your average/slightly above average QB like a Ryan Tannehill, Derek Carr, Case Keenum, Tyrod Taylor, etc.

Seems most of their fans are pretty realistic. I read through a ton of that thread, and the large majority are either mocking their own team, or calling the OP delusional. There are just as many Bills fans that don't live in reality. I will never forget last year's winner of a thread that had 90%+ of the people vote they'd rather have Allen than Mahomes in a poll. Talk about denial. Then within the past week or so, we had a thread where someone said they'd rather not have 6 Super Bowls, and prefers the losing route we've taken because we get high character guys (granted, his post was filled with one-sided examples of those meanie Pats while ignoring the same problems of Bills players). But really?! You'd rather not have 2 decades of dominance, instantly placing you from bottom feeder franchise to tied with Pittsburgh for most SB wins in history? C'mon... that's not reality, that's total BS.

Don't forget Alex Smith last season!

Yes. He's a 7 time Pro Bowl WR (only been in the league 8 years) and has PHENOMENAL hands. As Zay has shown, it's nowhere near a guarantee to grab a WR with a 2nd or 3rd round pick, and even if you do hit on one, it's highly unlikely you'll land one as exceptional as AJ Green. And Injury Prone? Sure, he's missed some games here and there, but many WR's have. He played all 16 games in 2017, then missed 7 last season. And every year aside from 2016 & 2018 he's had over 1,000 yards receiving (and in 2016 he had 964 yards in only 10 games). I'd trade a 2nd or a 3rd if the Bengals would take it, let him rest & heal a bit longer while he learns the playbook & gets up to speed, then throw him in after you know he's 100% recovered & good to go. We haven't had a WR of his caliber in ages. Eric Moulds would be the closest, but Green is even better than Moulds. Even if he only played half a season for us, he'd likely have a bigger impact than any other WR we'll have that plays all 16 games.

People keep talking about the passes WR's dropped, but they shouldn't leave out the amount of passes DB's dropped as well (including in the Jets game). Allen could have had at least 2 more INT's this season, and likely more. Between tipped balls and outright freebies that were dropped, we've gotten lucky so far. Hoping that continues, but can't rely on that against actual good teams we face. The thing Josh needs to improve upon the most is ball placement, not just getting the completion. There have been times a WR has been WIDE the hell open and got no YAC because of how they had to make a miracle grab to even catch the ball. This isn't just on deep passes either, though his deep ball accuracy needs work too (missed a wide open man last week for an easy TD). Brown seems to be able to find separation often, and hitting him in stride will allow us to pick up much bigger chunks of yardage. Part of the problem might just be his size though. What might seem like a normal pass to him ends up requiring a huge leap and full arm extensions for our WR's to even have a chance of catching the ball. I'm sure there's some way to help improve in that area, but some of it isn't really his fault.

Did every other QB under Reid throw for 5,000 yards & 50+ TD's with a 66% completion percentage, in what was their first season as a starter (essentially a rookie)? Think of how many records he broke last year, and think of how quickly he's on pace to break countless more. How many QB's under Reid have ever had seasons that good? That's only his first season as a starter...imagine how good he'll be years from now. And if you ever watched him in college, you'll realize he was doing the exact same thing, and people were also saying similar things like "system QB" or "because he's playing in Kliff's offense." But when you draft a QB, you hope they can produce like they did in college, only now take it to the next level & do it in the pros. You see that amazing ability and think "damn, if he could do that in the NFL, he'd be a franchise guy!" and that's exactly what Mahomes is doing. This is the main thing that worries me about Allen. If you took how he played in college at his absolute best, then got him to play just as good as he did at his peak in college, you'd only have a pretty solid QB. So instead, we're hoping to turn Allen into something he's never shown he can be, and hoping it's done by a defensive minded HC... the same guy who was so good at evaluating QB talent that he thought we were set going into last season with a QB corps of 5th round pick Nathan Peterman as the starter, and a rookie as the backup. Anyway, Allen has looked solid in parts of games this year (still hasn't put together a strong game start to finish yet), but it's not like we've had great competition. Up next is the Bengals, so between them, the Jets & the Giants they're 0-6. Then again, you can only play who is on your schedule, and as long as the team keeps doing enough to beat who is put in front of them, I'll be happy. Still rather have Mahomes 10 out of 10 times, but if I could just see Allen outplay Mahomes one Sunday in the entire season, I'll be impressed.

Well if we're just going all of history, give me Joe Montana lol But I like your thinking!

That was a beauty to watch.

Patrick Mahomes.

What wouldn't I give up is the more difficult question... Probably would hang on to Allen, Hughes, Oliver & White. Anyone else + draft picks is worth giving up for Green.

He'll go to the Pats for the league minimum or something...

The Pats probably feel disrespected by that line, and Belichick will use it as motivation for his team to come in & hang 50+ on the Jets.

I give up... My hopes of him ever giving me any value in fantasy this year are gone. The guy will be out of the league soon.

We really can't lose to the Bengals if we want to be taken seriously. It was only a couple years ago we started off 3-1, then lost to the Bengals who were 1-3 (only win being against the 0-16 Browns) at the time. Dalton is chunking the ball everywhere, but our pass defense is our strong suit, so hopefully we can keep them in check. Can't afford to lose to an 0-2 team when next week we'll be playing the Pats. It'll make for a much more interesting game too if the Pats & Bills are facing off at 3-0 each. Granted, we almost always lose to the Pats, but if we can at least make it a close team, there's still something to be gained from a loss. No...the clapping is just annoying no matter how you look at it lol. Especially when an O-linemen commits yet another penalty or something...I'd rather see him rip into the guy then just continuously clap away.

Probably Thurman. I mean he was the 1991 MVP, something Kelly or Reed can't say. Just seems weird to type that... A Bills player was the MVP. Damn, Thurman was great. Also, I miss the field & endzones the way they were in the 90's. Along with the bigger crowds, the nostalgia I get watching those older clips makes me proud. Wish we'd go back to that.

I think people are not giving fair credit to Gore with what he's done, just because we're all excited to see more of Singletary. Gore showed why he's still a valuable player in this league today.

We got super lucky on that penalty, but so did the Giants earlier with that BS hold call on Mitch Morse that negated a big gain, so we're even.

You cant put this on the defense.

Why? The plays have been there, execution is the problem.

Honestly I can't remember the last game our offense was clicking for the entire 4 quarters. It's always just a part of the game, but start to finish? Nope.

Can't have any more stupid penalties, Allen needs to get rid of the ball and throw better passes, and they need to get at least one friggin 1st down to give this defense a break.

This defense is exhausted. Offense needs to remember they are part of this game too.

In 20 years, you named a handful of specific, tiny elements to an otherwise good organization that most every other team strives to be like. Taking a chance on Josh Gordan? Have you heard how much effort Brady put forth to make him feel supported, helped and like a part of the team? Instead of demonizing a guy who smokes pot too much, you can say they're trying to improve him as a person rather than just giving up on him. Also, how many Super Bowls did Josh Gordan win them (or even play in)? The Bills stuck with Dareus far longer than the Pats had Gordon, and unlike the Pats, we even gave Dareus a massive contract in spite of known issues. Why do you think we only got a 6th for him? Because he already had been suspended so many times, the next one would be an entire season gone! The Pats picking up Gordon for nothing off the streets is just an all-upside move. They lose nothing if he couldn't change his ways. Unlike us, who were stuck with a huge friggin contract that screwed our cap for several years. Blaming the Pats for Aaron Hernandez is ridiculous. They were as fast as possible in cutting the guy once the accusations came to light. Also, please tell me how many rings Hernandez helped them win? Oh, he played in 1 Super Bowl...in which they lost. In the past 20 years, a lot of teams have unfortunately had a murderer, sexual abuser, person who committed domestic assault, drug addicts, etc. Some give these people a much needed second chance, others encourage & dismiss bad behavior. Michael Vick ran a dog fighting ring, served 2 years in jail, then was given another chance by the Eagles. Does that mean the Eagles are s*** organization? Not at all. And man, are you REALLY pushing propaganda here giving the Pats ANY hate for Antonio Brown! The guy has been on their roster for what, a week!? On top of that, it's been made VERY CLEAR that the Pats (and the rest of the entire league) had ZERO idea of what accusations were about to come to light about him. Brown & his agent hid those from teams. In an age where people CONSTANTLY whine about how this country has turned into a "guilty until proven innocent" or "convicted via social media" place, here you are already acting as if the guy has been convicted of rape, and that it had ANY relationship to the Pats, their rings, their success, or their culture. As a Bills fan, I'm ashamed I even read such garbage from a poster I have a ton of respect for. It's laughable that people still resort to "cheater! cheater! cheater!" when talking about the Belichick. It's so insecure and stupid at this point, and just shows an inability to accept when a coach is just that much better than everyone else. 6 Super Bowl wins, 9 appearances, 1 coach. The spygate thing was soooooo long ago. People can live in fairytale land all they want, but Belichick & Brady didn't win 6 SB's, rack up 30+ wins & a few losses against the Bills, because they were cheating or incapable of winning otherwise. They long since dominated the league without any cheating, while other teams have lost draft picks & been fined for far more than anything the Pats have done. Please, bring up "Deflategate" too, where the Pats used deflated balls intentionally for an advantage, yet somehow play 50 x better after the supposed cheating was fixed. EXPOSED! 1. The Bills had an OL coach that committed a crime by punching a kid in the face & kept him around anyway. No class! 2. You're right, the Bills care so much about class. Rex Ryan, the ownership's first HC hire, was the definition of class. Hiring his brother the following year only added to that class. 3. The Bills got fined for not reporting injuries for players in hopes of getting an advantage. 3. They hired Richie Incognito after he was released from the Dolphins for bullying & harassment issues, a guy who already quit on this team once in the past and was known for being dirty around the league. "Changed?" What proof was there that he "changed?" He wasn't in the league to show any change. Ryan just didn't care about character. And look what happened since... The guy isn't right in the head. 4. The Bills signed Shawn Merriman after he was suspended from the Chargers for PEDs. Guess we don't care about character! 5. In 2015 the Bills tried to mess with the Pats by blasting e*xcessively* loud noise at a home game, yet the killed us anyway. Still tried to get an advantage, but didn't help. 6. Nigel Bradham, arrest for drug possession. Must be a thug. Means the organization is crap. Classy. 7. Drafted Marshawn Lynch, suspended for drug issues multiple times, AND driving around with a concealed 9mm semiauto handgun in his vehicle that he was charged for. Class. 8. Drafted Aaron Maybin with a 1st round pick...nothing to do with this post, but seriously WTF, why did that even happen?! 9. Drafted someone who assaulted his gf in Tyrel Dodson. Incident occurred May 25th, yet the Bills kept him on the roster. Must mean the organization is classless! 10. Kept LeSean McCoy around even after McCoy instructed people in his entourage to beat the hell out of his gf. Innocent until proven guilty? Not according to your rules, guilty from accusation alone! Also according to your logic, makes the entire Bills organization classless. 11. We still have a murderer's name on the Wall of Fame, OJ Simpson. Don't think the Pats honor Aaron Hernandez. Guess we're a classless organization for keeping that man's name up there right? 12. Remember OT Seantrel Henderson? Oh yeah, he got suspended for 10 games once for substance abuse. What a druggie, and the Bills kept him! .....I mean, i feel like I could go on forever, and it still won't matter. Anyone who HONESTLY believes the ridiculous stuff said in the original post is too biased to care. The Pats keep winning because they get talented players for cheap, have the GOAT at QB and the GOAT HC, and that GOAT QB never wants to quit playing. That's it. Once Brady hangs it up & players stop going there for discounted rates to play with Brady & chase a ring, they'll be like every other team. The Bills & the rest of the NFL care about winning as much as the Pats do, they're just not as good at it yet.

"Buffalo lines up with Allen in the shotgun using 11 offensive personnel..." As opposed to using 15 personnel, or 27 personnel or 8 personnel? Sorry, this line just read so weird to me.

Uh oh, 74% of fans picked us to win... too much hype! Also, when's the last time Bills won back to back road games? I'll go look & update once I'm done my research lol Edit: It was 2016, we won against the Pats & the Rams in back to back games (Pats were starting Brissett).