BigDingus

I'm glad you're excited, and I certainly will give the kid a chance. I'll support all these guys until they give me a reason not to. But if Allen pans out and becomes a franchise QB, he will be the first QB in all modern NFL History to do so after a college career such as his. And the odds of the Bills patiently developing a guy as raw and unproven as him, coupled with being able to be the first team successful in turning a guy like that into gold seem worse than winning the Powerball. Not once do I remember a QB being drafted whose hype was all around arm strength, hand size, height, weight, athleticism, etc. and not around on-field play, accuracy, decision making, ability to read a defense, wins against good competition, stats, football IQ, etc. turning out well. The "project" QB without a single veteran QB on the roster to learn from and sit behind also doesn't bode well.

And here's another quote, this time from Gregg Rosenthal (NFL.com), that also says quite a lot about the problem with the Allen trade - "The Bills traded out of their No. 10 overall pick a year ago, passing on the chance to draft Patrick Mahomes or Deshaun Watson in favor of amassing draft capital. This season, the Bills used significant draft capital to trade up for quarterback Josh Allen (moving from 12th overall to seventh). The kids would call that hustling backward, especially when Allen has an uphill climb just to surpass previous Bills quarterback Tyrod Taylor's level of production. Bills fans will point to this being the first draft for GM Brandon Beane, who was hired last May, but that only emphasizes how tricky it is to come up with a cohesive roster when the GM and coach are always in flux. Allen could prove his skeptics wrong, and his athleticism is unquestionable, but Josh Rosen has clearly displayed a more obvious NFL skill set. Allen is reminiscent of a souped-up version of another Bills first-round quarterback: J.P. Losman, a player with accuracy issues who was a star in the pre-draft season because of his measurables. Losman was taken 22nd overall in the 2004 NFL Draft and proceeded to compile a 10-23 record in Buffalo."

I mean Allen alone shows they screwed up royally, but letting go of two 2nd round picks to get him? Wow....I'm still in shock. Just read what Rodger Sherman said about the selection. That's pretty much exactly how I feel - https://goo.gl/YMBvx4 "I would consider any team that used a first-round pick on Josh Allen to be the biggest loser of the first round. No good NFL quarterback has ever had statistics as bad as Allen's college stats; his best-case statistical comparables include Brian Griese and Josh McCown. There are just so many videos of him missing easy passes so badly. Sure, his arm is strong enough that teams should value his potential, but "extremely strong quarterback who may never learn how to throw to receivers" seems to me like a Day 3 pick, not a first-rounder. I remain baffled that he was treated like a top prospect throughout the entire draft process. But the Bills didn't just draft Allen. They traded up to get him, giving up two second-round picks to move up five spots. That's a massive overpay on any draft value chart. And then the Bills also traded a third-rounder to the Ravens to move up from the 22nd pick to the 16th to select Tremaine Edmunds. Trading up is the move of a team in win-now mode. The Bills did so--but they selected a quarterback whose supporters even consider him a project. That doesn't jibe. I'm so happy that the Bills got to the playoffs last year, and so confused about their future."

The moment the announcers started talking about how much Terry Pegula became infatuated with Allen after his recent visit, I knew we were screwed. Never let the owner dictate who the QB you draft as the face of the franchise is... It almost never works.

Should've taken Rosen.Allen is a project whose hype all comes from the fascination with his size, athleticism and big arm. When accuracy, ability to go through progressions, read a defense, performance in big games/against good competition, etc. aren't being discussed, it usually doesn't turn out well.He doesn't even have great stats to at least point to and say "hey, at least he threw for ____ yards and a billion TD's!" The Bills don't even have a single veteran QB on the roster to help guide and teach him. Not very wise. What makes it even worse is using two 2nd round picks on him... Wouldn't have minded if it were for someone you know is worthy of the mantle, but if you weren't going to take Rosen, might as well have stayed at 12.

Houston is getting known for good food now? Interesting...I may not avoid the place as much now. Dallas always has had fantastic food. After living there for a while, I don't know how I lived without Tex-Mex for so long. And BBQ? Well Texas just has great BBQ almost anywhere you go.

Bananas are my source of Potassium.

It is a dumb measurement for sure. And yes, actual grip would be a better attribute to measure. But even then, you know some idiot scouts/GM's would start over-valuing QB grip measurements from the combine, shooting some bum up to the to 1st round anyway... They'll see the Bills, Browns, Broncos, Bengals, Bears (a lot of "B" teams...) in the top 10 one draft and say "whoa, this guy's grip is PERFECT for all these cold weather teams! He could be the next ______!" And suddenly, you have Uncle Rico being drafted in the top 5 because he could squeeze balls well....?

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He shows all the signs of past busts. That, along with most of his hype being based purely on his physical attributes and "potential," rather than what he did on the field. When you hear about his arm strength, mobility, height, hand size, etc. MORE than decision making, accuracy, performance in big games, meaningful wins, TD/INT ratio, intelligence, and pocket presence, it's usually a sign of scouts and GM's salivating over what they WANT a QB to become rather than what that QB actually is...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2018-nfl-mock-draft-browns-start-qb-run-with-josh-allen-bills-take-lamar-jackson/amp/ All the top 4 QB's go in the first 5 picks, with only the Browns at #4 picking a non-QB with their 2nd selection. Then we're left at #12, and are probably desperate enough to grab a QB anyway, likely hoping he ends up pulling a DeShaun Watson. 12. Buffalo Bills (from Bengals) Lamar Jackson, QB, Louisville. After trading up from No. 21 to No. 12, the Bills stay put for their quarterback and take Jackson. There's no rush to get him on the field immediately; AJ McCarron will have a chance to earn the job in 2018, but if he flops, Jackson would get his opportunity to be the next face of the franchise.

I'm open to taking Luck off your hands. C'mon, you guys know he's washed up now. The Chargers let Brees go after his surgery, just as you guys let Peyton go after his. And we all know they didn't do jack after moving on, so what do ya have to lose?

How we missed out on all the top QB's in the class, yet snagged the most "pro-ready" and "naturally accurate" QB in round 5. Obviously the Bills FO won't screw this up.

I honestly believe 3. Just like the 2004 draft all over again. Only this time, I hope the Bills get the future HOFer instead of the JP Losman...

Those aren't the only games the team needed him, and he did nothing... He carried a 3-23 record (I may be off by 1 game) record in his 3 seasons here, when the Bills went down by even a SINGLE point at any time in the 4th quarter.... That's the issue. Doesn't matter how close the game was, if we ever got behind, Tyrod was the LAST QB to keep you in the game. And throughout this past season, if the defense didn't have an amazing game or gift Tyrod & Co. tons of turnovers in opposing territory (to kick those FG's after going 3 & out), the Bills would have lost almost every game.

Work ethic and leadership were never his issues. Damn, I wish we could get a high 3rd round pick for all our players that exhibit those just those 2 traits. We'd be able to draft the entire QB class this year! Wish there were more Browns in the league...

I said it would be more difficult with an inexperienced QB. The Jets resigned McCown... or is he suddenly not experienced? The Bills have ZERO veterans at the position. Maybe think things through before you quickly try to post a witty retort, disregarding everything else I posted.

Weird that it doesn't show the Jets in that picture... Anyway, if it means the Bills end up with Darnold, I'm 100% A-OK with that. I'm more concerned with who the Bills grab than who falls to the other teams (unless of course the Bills don't grab anyone, and everyone else lands a franchise QB). Rosen on the Dolphins (seems unlikely), Mayfield on the Jets, and Darnold on the Bills would be perfectly acceptable to me. Sure would make for an interesting next few years at that.

While I disagree with the poster you responded to, and agree with most of what you said, the politicians thing CAN be blamed on the citizens of Buffalo. The politicians are their choice. They only have the positions they do because Buffalonians elected them for those spots. Not saying everything bad in Buffalo is the fault of the people, only that if people hated their politicians the past 50 years, they had direct control over whether or not to remove them from power time & time again. I'd say what's more problematic to Buffalo is the city being located in the same state as New York City. All the high taxes and legislation passed to prop up NYC ends up impacting other smaller cities in the state in a negative way. Business relocate to more competitive environments, mainly in the South with less strict taxing policies & more benefits (like Texas), and the people of the city have no choice but to follow suit looking for better employment. Then the city shrinks, money isn't there to pay for infrastructure and maintenance, taxes increase to cover costs, business go under or move to friendly pastures, people follow, and the cycle starts all over again.

Pretty accurate assessment. Based off of what we did last year, we were extremely lucky to make the playoffs with a far easier schedule. Every team gets lucky once in a while and makes the playoffs. The Bills just took longer than most & needed 18 years to get there. However, because we had the longest drought in the league, that means all other teams had been there at some point before we had in that stretch. Many of those teams went only once or twice, and did not repeat back to back. They simply lucked out that year, snuck in, and were done. The Jaguars got in with Byron Leftwich once & David Garrard once in that stretch. They didn't repeat, but they managed to get there once each. The Bucs got in with Chris Simms & Jeff Garcia once in that stretch. Didn't repeat. The Redskins got in with Mark Brunell , RGIII once, and Kirk Cousins once in that stretch. Again, no repeats. The Titans got in with Kerry Collins once. Didn't repeat. The Browns got in with Kelly Holcomb once. Didn't repeat. The Bengals got in with Jon Kitna & Carson Palmer once each. Didn't repeat. The Vikings got in with Brett Favre, Christian Ponder and Teddy Bridgewater once each. None repeated. The Dolphins got in with Chad Pennington and Matt Moore/Ryan Tannehill once. Neither repeated. The list goes on & on.... All those teams got in that ONE year during our 18 year drought, though none of them ended up going back the following year after that. We just had our one year that we made it...and we made it by squeaking out a 9-7 record against mediocre opponents, playing in a weak AFC, and a miracle of circumstances that went in our favor the last 2 weeks for everything to lineup just right. To expect us to have an even better record than that with a new, inexperienced QB at starter, a tougher schedule, and the AFC East being stronger by default (Tannehill returning, the Jets drafting a QB, and as always, all teams drafting/FA signings along with us), more holes than ever on defense, etc. it's highly unlikely we hit 9-7 again, and even less likely we go back to the playoffs.

He's right. Tom Brady rarely throws deep. The entire New England offense runs like a well-oiled machine based on timing & accuracy. You need to get velocity behind the ball, but every QB in the league can throw 10-30 yard passes, and that's where most of your passing game comes from. The occasional deep ball is great, but it's rarely the focal point of an offense to drop bombs all day.

Typical responses on the board... Everyone is here to laugh & talk s*** like they've done something on the field. Somehow people find a way to spin it & take shots, just because he has high expectations and a good mindset. You'd think fans would want ALL of their players to have that mentality, but nope. The second someone who has yet to prove themselves says "I want to make a Pro Bowl" or "I want to win a Super Bowl" they start talking trash about them. The guy was asked a question and answered. It's not like he's running around to every person with a camera and gloating/bragging about how great he is. He's responding in a positive way about what his goals are. Maybe look up what the word "goal" means...Most people set goals on things they have yet to achieve & accomplish....meaning he is aware he hasn't done those things yet. Comments pointing out "why don't you do _____ on the field first blah blah?" or "shut up until you prove yourself!" are just typical internet diarrhea from those overly cynical armchair QB's. He obviously is aware he has yet to hit his potential, that's why he has goals to then do so. The fact that needs to be explained to people is ridiculous.

I love how this thread has so many pages about a rookie who started half of one game, and 2/3 of another (in which he played in miserable conditions and didn't choke). That's it unless you count a couple mins of cleaup duty. Yet now we can all tell whether he's garbage, accurate (or "naturally accurate?"), out of the league after this year, a future starter, etc. It was stupid last year, and just as dumb now considering nothing has changed in terms of on-field play. No extra tape is available. No games have been played. All we know is he's been working out, training, studying film, and being coached. He likely won't even get a chance to start in 2018 with McCarron & whoever we draft fighting for #1 & #2 on the depth chart. Fight about it all you want, but it doesn't change the fact nobody actually knows s***.

But for some reason, people think Millenials are the idiots eating tide pods and grew up with smart phones in elementary schools (hint: smart phones didn't come out in mid 2007). By the time the iPhone came out, I was 21...so no, I didn't grow up with smartphones as a child, nor did I have Facebook, Snapchat, Instagram & Twitter accounts to post every aspect of my life on, yet here I am...a Millenial.

Millenials are from 1980-1996 by most standards. Rosen was born 1997. So, he's BARELY outside the Millenial generation. According to Time Magazine however, a Millenial is one born from 1980-2000, while the NY Times says 1978-1988. So he's either a Millenial, or just a hair away from being one.