BigDingus

The Bills sure do like to trade with Cleveland for 1st round picks lol

What do the " ^ " marks by Rashad Penny & Baker Mayfield signify?

Some of the strangest superstition I've ever seen in my life, but hey, thanks for posting!

The Browns already have so many damn picks it's insane. Grabbing a boatload more from the Bills would be ridiculous. There's no way half those guys are making the team already, so piling on even more for THIS draft seems like overkill. I'd take picks if they were from the 2019 draft, sure. I mean, more picks is always good no matter what draft class it is, but sometimes it's better to gradually build instead of dump you load on ONE class, and hope they all pan out.

Yup, smart move on their part.

I'd trade all of those names in a heartbeat for any of the top 3 QB's. We've tried the "build a team around a game manager" for 18 years, and it results in failure every time. Not about to start that crap all over again.

I work as an officer in a jail, and suggesting that women can't handle security like men can is ridiculous. I work in a direct supervision facility, where 1 officer is in a pod with 72 inmates at a time...ALONE. And the women there can handle their sh** better than most males. Hell, their command presence alone ends up discouraging people from touching them, whereas the men end up getting hurt far more often (thankfully I haven't been). Just because their was a female guarding Obama and got knocked down, doesn't mean a man couldn't get knocked down. In fact, watch any number of videos during the Bush era & his guards got knocked over plenty of times (my uncle was secret service for him). Many women CAN do security. A 66 year old paraplegic can NOT though...and that's the problem.

Could we really not afford $4 million for 1 year for an above average player at an extremely important position?

But, but, but... "Wait until next year to draft a QB! There's no sure-thing in this draft class!" is the favorite line of 95% of Bills fans come draft time. Year after year, they say next year's class is the one. Then the time comes, they get cold feet since they don't see the next Joe Montana, then decide failing to ever get a franchise QB but not drafting a bust, is better than trying to draft one at all, because hey, he might not be Tom Brady....so why even try? They fail to realize that eventually it'll get so bad, we get stuck NEEDING to draft a QB no matter what, and get stuck with someone like EJ Manuel as our only option because everyone sucks balls.

Everyone knew he'd have a good pro day & combine before either happened! It's rarer for a QB to NOT have a good pro day than to have one, considering they control & setup all the entire event. It's all a well choreographed show, and not even close to representative of being in-game. On the field, he's nowhere close to that good. Why don't you go back & look at what teams are in his division, and who he played against. Here's a hint, the other teams in his conference had the same types of players on their roster too, yet he still couldn't beat them or put up monster numbers! When all your competition has the same level of players, your excuse can't be "I have nobody around me to work with, that's why I'm bad!" The response to that is "well so did everyone else!"

The only way the Bills are interested in Rudolph is due to necessity and the Jets ruining their plans. Rudolph (or anyone outside of the big 3...yes, I'm not counting Josh Allen) was always going to be around, and the Bills were building & preparing since last draft to pick their guy THIS draft. They were obviously planning on Rosen, Darnold or Mayfield, and then with the offseason moves they've made, positioned themselves to move up & grab them. The Jets ruined that, so NOW they're interested in Rudolph or Jackson.

They shouldn't.

AND, keep in mind, Prior to this trade, it was likely only 1 QB would be taken in the top 3, meaning we could grab the #4 slot & comfortably get "our guy." Cleveland also knew this. They didn't HAVE to take a QB #1 overall, and could also rest on their laurels knowing they could select at #4 a QB. They could grab a RB #1, the Giants grab not a QB at #2, the Colts grab not a QB at #3 & then at #4, the Browns get their pick of the litter. Now this forces Cleveland's hand if they really have their hearts set on 1 particular guy. They don't want the Jets to draft him, so they're forced to grab a guy at #1, the Jet's get their guy at #3, and the Bills either get stuck with the 3rd guy left at #4, or are forced to trade away a King's Ransom to trade with the Giants & get ahead of the Jets.... None of this looks good.

Thanks for the spot, had it written down next to me but forgot to add it. Will edit

Also, before anyone wants to claim "it's ok, we can fill other holes!" - we HAVE the draft capital we do for a reason...to grab a QB in THIS draft. That was clear since last year, and even more obvious with recent trades & acquisitions. And looking at this trade, it's easy to see we also could've swung a deal that resulted in us keeping a pick in every single round AND getting our guy. Now, a division rival who didn't have as many resources as we do, manages to swing a trade that has them potentially snagging a guy the Bills were targeting. Even worse, it now means the only way to ensure that doesn't happen is to trade even higher with Giants, costing far more resources than it would have otherwise. Yes, we "can" uses these picks now to fill other holes, but that wasn't Plan A for Bills brass. And they likely won't have this kind of opportunity again, with this many picks to use next year to go after a QB....so we'd have to hope we tank to get another shot like this (while also hoping 2019's QB class is better than this one).

Not that we need yet another thread discussing how the Jets potentially "screwed" us, but I wanted to go into the draft point value of the trade & what the Bills could've (or should've) offered, and what was actually thought to be needed in the first place to trade with the Colts. According to the NFL Draft Value Chart (Walter Football - http://walterfootball.com/draftchart.php ), the Colts #3 overall pick was worth 2,200 points. The Jets traded them: #6 (1st Rd) = 1,600 points #37 (2nd Rd) = 530 points #49 (2nd Rd) = 410 points Undisclosed 2nd next year (between 270-580) Total: 2,540 points (confirmed) We were projected to have to trade both our 1st rounders, and a combination of either of our 2nd & 3rd round picks. For example, we could've traded: #12 (1st Rd) = 1,200 points #22 (1st Rd) = 780 points #56 (Our later 2nd Rd pick) = 340 points #65 (3rd Rd) = 265 Total: 2,585 points That would give us a 1st round pick (#3 overall), our better 2nd round pick (#53), a 3rd round pick (#96), and a 4th, 5th & 6th round pick remaining. In other words, we'd still have a full regular lineup of draft picks, 1 in each round with the exception of the 7th. To have a full lineup of draft picks AND have your choice of QB's, at least 1 of which the Bills Management clearly wants, is a great situation to be in regardless of "but we COULD do ____ with more picks!" Sure, we "could" do some other things, but 99% of the time teams are happy going into a draft with a full lineup of picks and not short from dumb trades (see: 2015 Bills draft where we had 0 picks until #50 overall, then only had a 3rd, a 5th, two 6th's & a 7th). Edit: I forgot to add the Bills obviously could offer picks/players/etc. that could compensate for the Jets' 2019 pick that there's no way to evaluate yet. It's done quite often in trades for picks anyway, so freeing up a mid round pick or player isn't some absurd price. So what then was Beane offering? My guess is he was offering both the 1st rounders, and the 3rd acquired from the Browns (2,245 points), and wouldn't budge on anything else. Hell, maybe he was feeling he was on a hot streak, wheeling & dealing with everything going his way and tried to get over on them in terms of point value....offering both 1sts & a 4th or something. Either way, it certainly has thrown a wrench in Beane's plans, because regardless of what anyone WANTS us to do, it's clear the Front Office was setting themselves up to trade into the top 4, and now another QB hungry team has placed themselves ahead of us.

I just don't think he CAN do it in games... His game log looks pretty unimpressive. In 2017, against the only 2 big teams he played, he went - Iowa: 23/40 - 174 yards, 0 TD's, 2 INT's, 57.5% Comp. Oregon: 9/24 - 64 yards 0 TD's, 1 INT, 37.5% Comp. But hey, against, Gardner-Webb he was 22/32 for 328 yards, 2 TD's & 0 INT's.... (and it was his only 300 yard game). For someone who played in the Mountain West, having only a 56.3% completion percentage % throwing for only 16 TD's, while averaging 164 yards a game is not impressive at all. His combine can be look as good as ever, but that rarely means a QB can suddenly play well in the NFL.

He's really not though.. He's rated low on every chart. NFL.com's draft profiles have him as the worst, and this one - https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospect-rankings/quarterbacks/ has him ranked the 6th best QB prospect... Everywhere I search, he's bottom of the barrel in terms of top names, and even when breaking down by skill set, he's ranked dead last in nearly every category except for arm strength & mobility.

Here we go, this page shows all of their picks - https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/mock-draft/ Pete Prisco has the Bills taking Josh Allen at #3 Brady Quinn has the Bills taking Josh Allen at #2 Will Brinson has the Browns taking Josh Allen at #1 Chris Trapasso has the Browns taking Josh Allen at #1 RJ White has the Browns taking Josh Allen at #1 Ryan Wilson has the Giants taking Josh Allen at #1 So wtf happened that shot Josh Allen up to #1? Look at his game log, he's not good against good teams, and has a mid 50% accuracy with ok numbers.

Multiple mocks have Allen now a top 3 QB, potentially even #1 overall (like the 2nd link I posted). My question is why, and are there rumblings the Bills are targeting him that I've missed?

http://cbsprt.co/2HCCmDV The video has Brady Quinn's mock with the Bills moving up to take Allen 2nd overall... I've been under the impression that Allen was a mid-round talent that could drop even further since he's so raw, and basically just has the prototypical QB "look," without the accolades & accomplishments to go with it. Why would anyone TRADE UP to grab him? Maybe trade down, but into the top 3 and #2 overall?! The old Bills regimes were known for a few reaches, but this would be an even riskier one. Is there any talk of us having our sights set on him? Granted it's just one mock, but we've seen this show before. A QB who's average-above average but with the look and size moves up not based on his on-field play, but his measurements/combine/pro-day/etc. as the draft gets closer. Really hoping there isn't a bigger thing going on behind the scenes here where people from OBD are lapping up Allen's "ceiling" & media members are catching wind of this. Thankfully, this mock also by CBS Sports has us moving up to #3 & grabbing Darnold (who's actually the highest rated by NFL.com draft profile of any QB the past several years) - https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2018-nfl-mock-draft-bills-trade-up-into-top-five-for-qb-saquon-barkley-drops/ and looks more realistic. Oddly, it also has Allen ranked high, this time at #1 overall. According to NFL.com, Allen is rated a 6.01, Mayfield a 6.03, Rosen a 6.19, and Darnold a 7.0. Why are teams so enamored with Allen?

Hey, we had many good posters over there! We're not all this naive.

We improved the biggest need outside of QB with Lotulelei, before FA officially even started. We signed a CB in Vontae Davis that's far better than EJ Gaines, is still only 29, and even though he was injured last year, would be an improvement even at 70% of his ability (keep in mind how often Gaines was injured last year too). Shored up the RB spot with a former starter in Chris Ivory, a person who will be a massive upgrade over Mike Tolbert. Resigned pieces like Kyle Williams & Nick O'leary, who although aren't "great," are still solid pieces that all teams need to have on their roster. Do we still need some pieces? Yes. But what people would you suggest are "must-haves" that we NEED virtually signed & tendered before FA even begins? FA was never supposed to be where we make a big splash anyway, as Beane & Co. have stated time & time again their strategy is building through the draft....And nobody can deny they have set themselves up masterfully to do just that this year.

That's another thing. These guys clearly know what they're doing. I've never seen a Bills front office look SO competent, and agree with every trade or signing they've swung. The ONLY one that looked bad (and still looks not like a definite "win") is the Dareus trade. Yes, I know his contract was huge & not worth the production, but the box stats never reflected how important he was to the team & the run defense in particular. He also allowed others on the line to play to a much higher level, and considering what we got for Tyrod, it's hard to imagine we couldn't get more than a 6th round pick (and not an early 6th either). Yes, Tyrod is a QB, and that's a huge factor as to why we netted a 3rd (practically a 2nd) for him. But every team knew he was on his way out, and that we only picked up his next year contract to trade him. So other than the Dareus trade, everything from last year's trade out of the 10th slot to get another 1st in 2018, to drafting Tre White, to entirely revamping the secondary, to getting value from Watkins, to moving up to 12th with Glenn, picking up Vontae Davis, now getting Lotulelei, etc. it's safe to say they know wtf they're doing....and whatever QB they want is going to be damn good if developed right & put in a GOOD system for him to succeed.

Now we just need to sign Suh & D-line fixed lol