BigDingus

I said it would be more difficult with an inexperienced QB. The Jets resigned McCown... or is he suddenly not experienced? The Bills have ZERO veterans at the position. Maybe think things through before you quickly try to post a witty retort, disregarding everything else I posted.

Weird that it doesn't show the Jets in that picture... Anyway, if it means the Bills end up with Darnold, I'm 100% A-OK with that. I'm more concerned with who the Bills grab than who falls to the other teams (unless of course the Bills don't grab anyone, and everyone else lands a franchise QB). Rosen on the Dolphins (seems unlikely), Mayfield on the Jets, and Darnold on the Bills would be perfectly acceptable to me. Sure would make for an interesting next few years at that.

While I disagree with the poster you responded to, and agree with most of what you said, the politicians thing CAN be blamed on the citizens of Buffalo. The politicians are their choice. They only have the positions they do because Buffalonians elected them for those spots. Not saying everything bad in Buffalo is the fault of the people, only that if people hated their politicians the past 50 years, they had direct control over whether or not to remove them from power time & time again. I'd say what's more problematic to Buffalo is the city being located in the same state as New York City. All the high taxes and legislation passed to prop up NYC ends up impacting other smaller cities in the state in a negative way. Business relocate to more competitive environments, mainly in the South with less strict taxing policies & more benefits (like Texas), and the people of the city have no choice but to follow suit looking for better employment. Then the city shrinks, money isn't there to pay for infrastructure and maintenance, taxes increase to cover costs, business go under or move to friendly pastures, people follow, and the cycle starts all over again.

Pretty accurate assessment. Based off of what we did last year, we were extremely lucky to make the playoffs with a far easier schedule. Every team gets lucky once in a while and makes the playoffs. The Bills just took longer than most & needed 18 years to get there. However, because we had the longest drought in the league, that means all other teams had been there at some point before we had in that stretch. Many of those teams went only once or twice, and did not repeat back to back. They simply lucked out that year, snuck in, and were done. The Jaguars got in with Byron Leftwich once & David Garrard once in that stretch. They didn't repeat, but they managed to get there once each. The Bucs got in with Chris Simms & Jeff Garcia once in that stretch. Didn't repeat. The Redskins got in with Mark Brunell , RGIII once, and Kirk Cousins once in that stretch. Again, no repeats. The Titans got in with Kerry Collins once. Didn't repeat. The Browns got in with Kelly Holcomb once. Didn't repeat. The Bengals got in with Jon Kitna & Carson Palmer once each. Didn't repeat. The Vikings got in with Brett Favre, Christian Ponder and Teddy Bridgewater once each. None repeated. The Dolphins got in with Chad Pennington and Matt Moore/Ryan Tannehill once. Neither repeated. The list goes on & on.... All those teams got in that ONE year during our 18 year drought, though none of them ended up going back the following year after that. We just had our one year that we made it...and we made it by squeaking out a 9-7 record against mediocre opponents, playing in a weak AFC, and a miracle of circumstances that went in our favor the last 2 weeks for everything to lineup just right. To expect us to have an even better record than that with a new, inexperienced QB at starter, a tougher schedule, and the AFC East being stronger by default (Tannehill returning, the Jets drafting a QB, and as always, all teams drafting/FA signings along with us), more holes than ever on defense, etc. it's highly unlikely we hit 9-7 again, and even less likely we go back to the playoffs.

He's right. Tom Brady rarely throws deep. The entire New England offense runs like a well-oiled machine based on timing & accuracy. You need to get velocity behind the ball, but every QB in the league can throw 10-30 yard passes, and that's where most of your passing game comes from. The occasional deep ball is great, but it's rarely the focal point of an offense to drop bombs all day.

Typical responses on the board... Everyone is here to laugh & talk s*** like they've done something on the field. Somehow people find a way to spin it & take shots, just because he has high expectations and a good mindset. You'd think fans would want ALL of their players to have that mentality, but nope. The second someone who has yet to prove themselves says "I want to make a Pro Bowl" or "I want to win a Super Bowl" they start talking trash about them. The guy was asked a question and answered. It's not like he's running around to every person with a camera and gloating/bragging about how great he is. He's responding in a positive way about what his goals are. Maybe look up what the word "goal" means...Most people set goals on things they have yet to achieve & accomplish....meaning he is aware he hasn't done those things yet. Comments pointing out "why don't you do _____ on the field first blah blah?" or "shut up until you prove yourself!" are just typical internet diarrhea from those overly cynical armchair QB's. He obviously is aware he has yet to hit his potential, that's why he has goals to then do so. The fact that needs to be explained to people is ridiculous.

I love how this thread has so many pages about a rookie who started half of one game, and 2/3 of another (in which he played in miserable conditions and didn't choke). That's it unless you count a couple mins of cleaup duty. Yet now we can all tell whether he's garbage, accurate (or "naturally accurate?"), out of the league after this year, a future starter, etc. It was stupid last year, and just as dumb now considering nothing has changed in terms of on-field play. No extra tape is available. No games have been played. All we know is he's been working out, training, studying film, and being coached. He likely won't even get a chance to start in 2018 with McCarron & whoever we draft fighting for #1 & #2 on the depth chart. Fight about it all you want, but it doesn't change the fact nobody actually knows s***.

But for some reason, people think Millenials are the idiots eating tide pods and grew up with smart phones in elementary schools (hint: smart phones didn't come out in mid 2007). By the time the iPhone came out, I was 21...so no, I didn't grow up with smartphones as a child, nor did I have Facebook, Snapchat, Instagram & Twitter accounts to post every aspect of my life on, yet here I am...a Millenial.

Millenials are from 1980-1996 by most standards. Rosen was born 1997. So, he's BARELY outside the Millenial generation. According to Time Magazine however, a Millenial is one born from 1980-2000, while the NY Times says 1978-1988. So he's either a Millenial, or just a hair away from being one.

I'm sure the Bills would love that too, I just don't see any feasible way in which that's possible. Unless the Bills are ready to give up their future drafts to get him, the cost is likely way too high.

NE on Monday Night is gonna suck. 5 of our first 7 being on the road sucks. A bunch of empty seats in December sucks. But hey, it's not often I look at the schedule before the season and say "Hey, this is gonna be great!" unless we're playing the AFC South, and we did that last year so.... Best of luck Bills. We're going to need it.

If people look back to each year's "pre-draft" speculation and mocks, every QB class gets scrutinized up & down for being insanely risky based on the prospects. Even the guys projected to go early in the 1st round are often only projected to go their based on QB-desperate teams, otherwise they're considered above-average projects with the "potential" to be the answer long-term. Hell, just looking back at the Wentz & Goff draft, they were seen as #1 & #2 interchangeably just because they were the ONLY options, and because the Rams & Eagles were THAT needy to grab them back to back. Prior to the Rams trade from 15 to 1, most people didn't have their mocks with Goff & Wentz #1 & #2. And if you're looking at scouting/scoring reports on prospects pre-draft, we have (All Scores from NFL.com Draft Profile): **2014** -Blake Bortles: 6.22 -Johnny Manziel: 6.12 -Teddy Bridgewater: 6.15 -Derek Carr: 6.14 (Yes, he was 2nd round) Average: 6.15 _____________________________________________________________________________ **2015** -Jameis Winston: 6.70 -Marcus Mariota: 6.27 Average: 6.48 _____________________________________________________________________________ **2016** -Carson Wentz : 6.53 -Jared Goff: 6.51 -Christian Hackenberg: 5.59 (Yes, he was 2nd round) -Paxton Lynch: 6.17 Average: 6.20 _____________________________________________________________________________ **2017** -Patrick Mahomes: 5.87 -DeShaun Watson: 5.98 -Mitch Trubisky: 6.31 -DeShone Kizer: 5.78 (Yes, he was 2nd round) Average: 5.98 _____________________________________________________________________________ **2018** -Josh Allen: 5.95 -Sam Darnold: 7.10 -Baker Mayfield: 6.09 -Josh Rosen: 6.19 Average: 6.33 _____________________________________________________________________________ So out of the past 5 draft classes, the 2018 is the 2nd highest rated on average, and also offers the highest scoring prospect overall in Sam Darnold. I don't think it's anymore overrated or underrated than previous classes, just that there's simply more QB-needy teams at the top, most of whom offer something unique skillsets that could fit well with more teams. Yes, some people hyped it up a ton before last year's draft, saying "wait until next year to grab a QB!" or "2018's QB's are far superior!" but then again, you have people saying that EVERY year. At some point, you NEED to take your pick, as each season there's usually a couple of guys who end up proving they are viable starting QB's in the league. If you keep "waiting until next year!" like so many fans proclaim, you eventually face a point where you are out of options and are forced to take a QB in a class that is actually awful. We should know, it happened in the 2013 Draft with the Bills.... There were no highly touted prospects, just projects. Nobody wanted a QB that BAD except the Bills, and thus we grabbed EJ Manuel at #16 in the 1st round (waiting until the 16th pick for the first QB taken says all you need to know about that class), with the next QB going 39th overall in the 2nd round, Geno Smith. Better to take a shot now when there are actual viable options as opposed to the other method.

Mayfield definitely is worthy of being taken in the top 5. Allen, I agree. He has bust written all over him unless he's put in the perfect system with great talent & coaching around him. I think Mayfield has Drew Brees written all over him. Slightly bigger coming out of college, fantastic stats, skillset, and leadership, and also has that "it" talent lurking beneath. They both played 4 years of college football, both carried their teams, and they put up similar yearly numbers (with Mayfield beating him out). And Mayfield did all of this against better competition. What I like about Mayfield is he got better EVERY year and in virtually every category. 2013 - Yards: 2315 / Comp %: 64.1 / TD's: 12 / Int: 9 2014 - Yards: 3700 / Comp %: 68.1 / TD's: 36 / Int: 7 2015 - Yards: 3965 / Comp %: 70.9 / TD's: 40 / Int: 8 2016 - Yards: 4627 / Comp %: 70.5 / TD's: 43 / Int: 6 The more he was relied on, the better he was. He put up 119 TD's compared to only 21 Int's in his 3 years at OU. That's far & away the best ratio of the group, as well as carrying a 70% completion percentage in those years. That's insanely good. He'd be the consensus #1 overall pick if he was a few inches taller, that's for damn sure.

If I were the Bills, I'd hope Allen goes #1, then go from there. If he does, that leaves Mayfield, Rosen & Darnold, to which you then try to trade the Browns to move up to #4. If you are confident in all of them, you will have 1 for your choice no matter what. If the Giants don't go QB, you have your pick of 2, with 1 likely being Mayfield who they clearly are interested in (having met with him 4 or 5 times already). However, if the Browns take Darnold #1 overall (it seems 50/50 between him & Allen according to the "experts"), the pool is a little more murky (IMO). At that point, I'd just hope the Jets are the one to pull the trigger on him, and be happy with avoiding that risk. I'd only consider moving up to #2 if there's one guy I like that much more, head & shoulders above all else.

Since when is a QB's college stats their ceiling? Is the way they are in college the BEST they'll ever be in their lifetime? Have they learned EVERYTHING there is to learn in their 2-4 years in college? Have they been coached by the best of the BEST while at that school? Is the talent around them the BEST they'll ever have? Have they grown physically, and mentally to their peak at that age? Are they as mature & emotionally stable as they'll ever get with age? Have they had the BEST leadership present at all levels, with no room for improvement? Jim Kelly's college stats: 1979 - Yards: 721 / Comp %: 46.2 / TD's: 5 / Int: 6 1980 - Yards: 1519 / Comp %: 52.9 / TD's: 11 / Int: 7 (126 yards per game) 1981 - Yards: 2403 / Comp %: 58.9 / TD's: 14 / Int: 14 (218 yards per game) 1982 - Yards: 585 / Comp % 63.0 / TD's: 3 / Int: 1 Hmmm....I wonder if he got better? Tom Brady's college stats: 1996 - Yards: 26 / Comp %: 60 / TD's: 0 / Int: 1 1997 - Yards: 103 / Comp %: 80 / TD's: 0 / Int: 0 1998 - Yards: 2427 / Comp %: 61.9 / TD's: 14 / Int: 10 1999 - Yards: 2217 / Comp %: 61.0 / TD's: 16 / Int: 6 I think he got better too... Aaron Rodgers college stats: 2003 - Yards: 2903 / Comp %: 61.6 / TD's: 19 / Int: 5 2004 - Yards: 2566 / Comp %: 66.1 / TD's: 24 / Int: 8 And he definitely had a higher ceiling than his college stats showed... Then there's the flip-side where those who look like their ceiling is out of this world, only for it to be a mirage once they hit the pros. Many top-tier prospects that look like they're "can't-miss" draft picks end up bombing out, playing like they had been selected from off the couch having never thrown a ball. Anyway...college stats are indicative of how good they can BECOME. They can grow into an all-time great, or they can sink to the Pit of Despair a la Ryan Leaf & JaMarcus Russell.

Just posting the "news." Added the ESPN article that also has us as the #1 team most likely to trade up. As if we didn't think so before, it's seeming more & more realistic that the Bills don't want to risk the Jets snagging their guy.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2768346 "The Buffalo Bills could acquire the No. 2 overall pick in the 2018 NFL draft from the New York Giants, according to ESPN's Todd McShay." " Bleacher Report's Matt Miller also expects the Bills to trade up for a quarterback, but he predicted in his latest mock that they will nab UCLA's Josh Rosen after ascending to No. 6 in a swap with the Colts." I don't even want to think about what it'd take to get there, but as long as Beane & Co. are THAT confident in the guy (and don't grab Allen) I'm good with it. Also, ESPN article on "Ranking the NFL teams most likely to trade up to draft a QB" (Bills at #1) - http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/23019613/2018-nfl-draft-ranking-six-teams-mostly-likely-trade-top-quarterback 1. Buffalo Bills This is the most obvious choice. The Bills already moved up from No. 21 to No. 12 in a deal that sent left tackle Cordy Glenn to Cincinnati, and they still hold the No. 22 overall pick. Having two first-rounders gives Buffalo a unique ability to maneuver in the first round, and having unproven options AJ McCarron and Nathan Peterman on the roster gives the team motivation. Problem is, the old draft value chart developed by Jimmy Johnson assigns a point value of 1,200 to the No. 12 pick and 800 to the No. 21 pick, which adds up to 2,000 and is therefore a bit less than, say, the 2,600 points assigned to the Giants' No. 2 pick. So if the Bills want to jump the Jets, it's going to take more than just their two 2018 first-rounders. Buffalo might be better off eyeing the Browns' No. 4 overall pick, though by that point, the Bills could be left with their fourth-choice quarterback.

Still all-in on the "anyone but Allen" bandwagon. I really think there's a 0.001% chance the Bills want Allen. There's even less of a chance we trade up to #2 to grab him. Let the Jets be stuck with him. It's a win-win for us.

Oh, so you're the topic police? Maybe you should go back & read the topic and refresh your memory. Read the thread title to start, then read the content. That's usually what people do before responding in a thread. After doing that, notice his discussion of the QB situation and mentioning his opinion on Tyrod Taylor. Notice how my post mentioned Tyrod Taylor (AKA on Topic, duh). Then, read your response. You asked a question. What do people do when asked a question? They RESPOND to that question. I did just that. You replied that I'm trolling. Perhaps you should read what trolling is. Just because you disagree with a comment, doesn't mean I'm trolling. Responding to your question about "why aren't you bothered by Nathan Peterman?" isn't "trolling." Also, speaking off being off topic, YOU discussing Nathan Peterman IS off topic. The OP wasn't talking about him at all. Go back and read his post... Notice anything? He NEVER ONCE said a the words "Nathan Peterman," but funny enough, he DID discuss Tyrod Taylor, to which I responded about. Hmmmmmmmmm, who's off topic again? Maybe you should just stop responding. You look really, really dumb right now. Note since you probably have a very small attention span: Key elements in our discussion are highlighted & underlined so you're not confused anymore.

I just took the Wonderlic to see how racially biased it is....and although I got a 70%, I didn't finish the last 1/4 of the test due to time restrictions. I have no idea how ANYONE could say that's racially biased. It's simple math, basic problem solving, and some easy turds thrown in that make you roll your eyes. Here are some questions I got: 1. Which word doesn't belong? A) Kilometer B) Centimeter C) Meter D) Inch (gee, I wonder) 2. What is the 8th month of the year? A) March B) August C) June D) September 3.The bill is $19.56. You pay $50.01. How much change should you get? 4. Are the following words similar, contradictory, or unrelated? Optional / Observational 5. Dog is to vetenarian as ______ is to dentist: A) stomach B) teeth C) eyes D) leg 6. The bones that make up the spine are: A) humerus B) vertebrae C) femur D) metatarsals 7. Which number is smallest? A) 0 B) .046 C) .468 D) .00468 8. What is the 5th month after March? A) June B) October C) September D) August (yes, almost same question as #2) And many more.... Most are insanely easy. The only ones that could be "hard' are some of the ones that just take a minute to make sure you got the basic math right. If you can multiply, divide, add & subtract, you should be perfectly fine. A question like "if Martha & Steve have 95 pencils, and Martha has 4 times as many pencils as Steve, how many pencils does Steve have?" isn't "hard," it just takes a moment to make sure you got the info down. But the one thing it isn't is "racially biased" in ANY way.

Maybe you need to get a refresher on what the word "trolling" means. Just because someone says something you don't like & are overly sensitive & insecure about, doesn't mean that's "trolling." Grow up. If you can't have a mature conversation, maybe don't ask me a question in the first place. Don't bother responding until you're at least 18 and have watched some football.

Substitute Mayfield with Allen, and your post makes more sense.

Hey, hey, hey.... His hands are YUUUUGEEE. They're the YUUUGEST hands! In fact, they're the best hands anyone has ever seen. And I know hands, people call me the "hand master." Some may not know this, but hands are used to grab & hold things. Yeah, I know, crazy right? You know who doesn't have big hands? Little Rocket Man. His hands are puny little things, that's why I call him LITTLE Rocket Man. Funny right? Some people say I'm really funny, like a lot of people, famous people...the best people. They also know my hands are big, they'll tell you. And Little Rocket Man? He's Asian. You mentioned wangs earlier...you know what they say about Asian wangs right? Two Wong's don't make a Wang. Yeah, I think that's what they say...I saw it in a fortune cookie once. I love the Chinese, it's so cool how they know the future...must be that Kung Fu and Wu Tang they do.

Oh thank God! I don't care that he thinks we'll trade up to #2, but the fact he believes we're taking Allen means we most certainly are NOT. YAAAAAAAAY!

It makes sense that 2 years in college wouldn't be as successful as 3 or 4, but each individual is their own case. Whether "experts" say they're too small, don't have a big arm, didn't play in a pro-system, had a bad combine, didn't play against good competition/played at a small school, etc. there's always SOMETHING different that can be pointed to to assume they won't do well in the NFL. Some people get drafted in the 1st round, then sit 3 years behind a first ballot HOF'er (Rodgers) and become great (who knows what would've happened with his career had he played day 1). Some people are mediocre their first 2 years, prompting their team to draft their replacement year 3, only to light it up & become a first ballot HOF'er themselves (Brees). Some get passed up repeatedly & don't get drafted until the 3rd or even 6th rounds because they're seen as projects, then prove the world wrong (Wilson & Brady). Then on the flip side you have people that tore it up in college, won Heisman's, won National Championships, broke NCAA records left & right, and ended up bombing out in the NFL. I think the most you can do is look at their in-game play, their decision making, their leadership, and their personality...and that's it. Are they smart? Do they party a lot & stir up controversy? Did they rise to the occasion in big games? How did they play against good teams? How's their work ethic & commitment? Do they have drug problems/possible suspensions? THOSE are the things that usually end up being the deciding factors in who ends up succeeding as an NFL QB. If multiple red flags pop up for those questions, history has shown us they usually fail. The rest of their success is based on what the coaches who drafted them do with them, and if they're developed well & put in a position to succeed.