BigDingus

Honestly I can't remember the last game our offense was clicking for the entire 4 quarters. It's always just a part of the game, but start to finish? Nope.

Can't have any more stupid penalties, Allen needs to get rid of the ball and throw better passes, and they need to get at least one friggin 1st down to give this defense a break.

This defense is exhausted. Offense needs to remember they are part of this game too.

In 20 years, you named a handful of specific, tiny elements to an otherwise good organization that most every other team strives to be like. Taking a chance on Josh Gordan? Have you heard how much effort Brady put forth to make him feel supported, helped and like a part of the team? Instead of demonizing a guy who smokes pot too much, you can say they're trying to improve him as a person rather than just giving up on him. Also, how many Super Bowls did Josh Gordan win them (or even play in)? The Bills stuck with Dareus far longer than the Pats had Gordon, and unlike the Pats, we even gave Dareus a massive contract in spite of known issues. Why do you think we only got a 6th for him? Because he already had been suspended so many times, the next one would be an entire season gone! The Pats picking up Gordon for nothing off the streets is just an all-upside move. They lose nothing if he couldn't change his ways. Unlike us, who were stuck with a huge friggin contract that screwed our cap for several years. Blaming the Pats for Aaron Hernandez is ridiculous. They were as fast as possible in cutting the guy once the accusations came to light. Also, please tell me how many rings Hernandez helped them win? Oh, he played in 1 Super Bowl...in which they lost. In the past 20 years, a lot of teams have unfortunately had a murderer, sexual abuser, person who committed domestic assault, drug addicts, etc. Some give these people a much needed second chance, others encourage & dismiss bad behavior. Michael Vick ran a dog fighting ring, served 2 years in jail, then was given another chance by the Eagles. Does that mean the Eagles are s*** organization? Not at all. And man, are you REALLY pushing propaganda here giving the Pats ANY hate for Antonio Brown! The guy has been on their roster for what, a week!? On top of that, it's been made VERY CLEAR that the Pats (and the rest of the entire league) had ZERO idea of what accusations were about to come to light about him. Brown & his agent hid those from teams. In an age where people CONSTANTLY whine about how this country has turned into a "guilty until proven innocent" or "convicted via social media" place, here you are already acting as if the guy has been convicted of rape, and that it had ANY relationship to the Pats, their rings, their success, or their culture. As a Bills fan, I'm ashamed I even read such garbage from a poster I have a ton of respect for. It's laughable that people still resort to "cheater! cheater! cheater!" when talking about the Belichick. It's so insecure and stupid at this point, and just shows an inability to accept when a coach is just that much better than everyone else. 6 Super Bowl wins, 9 appearances, 1 coach. The spygate thing was soooooo long ago. People can live in fairytale land all they want, but Belichick & Brady didn't win 6 SB's, rack up 30+ wins & a few losses against the Bills, because they were cheating or incapable of winning otherwise. They long since dominated the league without any cheating, while other teams have lost draft picks & been fined for far more than anything the Pats have done. Please, bring up "Deflategate" too, where the Pats used deflated balls intentionally for an advantage, yet somehow play 50 x better after the supposed cheating was fixed. EXPOSED! 1. The Bills had an OL coach that committed a crime by punching a kid in the face & kept him around anyway. No class! 2. You're right, the Bills care so much about class. Rex Ryan, the ownership's first HC hire, was the definition of class. Hiring his brother the following year only added to that class. 3. The Bills got fined for not reporting injuries for players in hopes of getting an advantage. 3. They hired Richie Incognito after he was released from the Dolphins for bullying & harassment issues, a guy who already quit on this team once in the past and was known for being dirty around the league. "Changed?" What proof was there that he "changed?" He wasn't in the league to show any change. Ryan just didn't care about character. And look what happened since... The guy isn't right in the head. 4. The Bills signed Shawn Merriman after he was suspended from the Chargers for PEDs. Guess we don't care about character! 5. In 2015 the Bills tried to mess with the Pats by blasting e*xcessively* loud noise at a home game, yet the killed us anyway. Still tried to get an advantage, but didn't help. 6. Nigel Bradham, arrest for drug possession. Must be a thug. Means the organization is crap. Classy. 7. Drafted Marshawn Lynch, suspended for drug issues multiple times, AND driving around with a concealed 9mm semiauto handgun in his vehicle that he was charged for. Class. 8. Drafted Aaron Maybin with a 1st round pick...nothing to do with this post, but seriously WTF, why did that even happen?! 9. Drafted someone who assaulted his gf in Tyrel Dodson. Incident occurred May 25th, yet the Bills kept him on the roster. Must mean the organization is classless! 10. Kept LeSean McCoy around even after McCoy instructed people in his entourage to beat the hell out of his gf. Innocent until proven guilty? Not according to your rules, guilty from accusation alone! Also according to your logic, makes the entire Bills organization classless. 11. We still have a murderer's name on the Wall of Fame, OJ Simpson. Don't think the Pats honor Aaron Hernandez. Guess we're a classless organization for keeping that man's name up there right? 12. Remember OT Seantrel Henderson? Oh yeah, he got suspended for 10 games once for substance abuse. What a druggie, and the Bills kept him! .....I mean, i feel like I could go on forever, and it still won't matter. Anyone who HONESTLY believes the ridiculous stuff said in the original post is too biased to care. The Pats keep winning because they get talented players for cheap, have the GOAT at QB and the GOAT HC, and that GOAT QB never wants to quit playing. That's it. Once Brady hangs it up & players stop going there for discounted rates to play with Brady & chase a ring, they'll be like every other team. The Bills & the rest of the NFL care about winning as much as the Pats do, they're just not as good at it yet.

"Buffalo lines up with Allen in the shotgun using 11 offensive personnel..." As opposed to using 15 personnel, or 27 personnel or 8 personnel? Sorry, this line just read so weird to me.

Uh oh, 74% of fans picked us to win... too much hype! Also, when's the last time Bills won back to back road games? I'll go look & update once I'm done my research lol Edit: It was 2016, we won against the Pats & the Rams in back to back games (Pats were starting Brissett).

Seems fair. We should've have won the game, but we gutted out a win & showed some serious resolve. Granted the Jets aren't the most formidable opponent, but a win is a win. And our defense showed some SERIOUS badassery, and if they stay healthy, will be a scary unit for any team to face. And despite the offensive playcalling seeming pretty bizarre with wanting to only pass the ball for half the game, the plays they ran were actually pretty good. You can see WR's getting open, getting separation, and really challenging the Jets secondary. Allen hung on to the ball too long most of the game, missed some open looks, and obviously turned the ball over way too much, but the plays themselves weren't stupid. That being said, we DEFINITELY need to run the ball more. The more we can put on Singletary & the less focus on Allen, the more successful we'll be.

Expecting these guys to dig deeper beyond their pure emotional reactions is asking too much. PFF isn't stupid, and they're also not gods. They're very informative, and do very in depth analysis of the overall performance, beyond the stat lines, and grade full performances. Run blocking is a key aspect of being a WR, as is getting open & running good routes. They don't grade every single thing ever, but they give good insight into more than just simple numbers.

Darnold was the better QB in that game. If Allen played like Darnold did, we would've been in cruise control by the end of the game. Simply not turning the ball over would've done wonders. Our defense + the Jets not converting on turnovers + Mosley getting injured was what won us the game. Allen finally playing like a decent starter at the end of the game, doesn't mean he had anywhere close to a good performance. Edit: Forgot the part where the Jets' kicker completely screwed them over... If he could hit a FG, we still lose.

Nope. Love Singletary though. Allen, our QB, being a better rusher than passer, is not a sign of franchise QB. Darnold hitting a passing TD and a brilliant 2 point conversion on the other hand, they unfortunately might have something special In him.

Still would probably finish the season with more TD's than any of our WRs

Or Robert Woods. Hell, why do we even need an offense?

Shockingly, Dabol has called some good plays, though it's understandable if people aren't noticing it. He's getting guys open, but Allen holds onto the ball too long, and doesn't have the awareness to see how a play will unfold. Therefore he doesn't see the man who is about to be open, or has a step on the defender, he sees nothing at that exact moment and throws to whoever... often the guy who will be well covered by the time the ball actually were to get to him.

I think that's already set in stone.

If I hear ANY excuses about how some of these turnovers weren't Allen's fault... I'll point you to the several more that he should've had, but got extremely lucky the DBs dropped. "The bounces just didn't go our way".... yeah, some did, or else Allen would have 4 INT's minimum by now.

Darnold looks like he's improved. That's nice. Meanwhile...another pass behind a WR and another almost INT

I didn't. It wasn't that unimaginable to see this happening at all. McDermott understands one side of the ball really well, but that's about it.

I sure miss having play makers on offense. Sammy Watkins may not have been perfect, but he's lighting it up in Jacksonville right now. Losing Shady might hurt more than we thought. Jets snagging Bell was a great move. Talent matters.

Yeeeahh... many people on this board aren't just fans, they live in fairy tale land. Wasnt it just a week or 2 ago we had a thread asking if Allen and Barkley were the best Bills QB duo since Kelly and Reich lol. And a poll last season had something like 90% of people saying they'd still take Allen over Mahomes even after what they've seen. But hey, now I know to look out for your username if I want to talk honest football.

We need a turnover here. Even if we stop them here, they just put us back in crap field position against our own endzone again.

Like your spirit, but one day Bills fans will have to accept the Bills don't work the way you want them to lol.

Well, at least Miami is getting stomped. Sadly, Jackson is 10 of 11 passing, and has 4 TD's... I really hope he doesn't turn out to be another great QB we missed.

4 turnovers. They're still winning. Our QB is bad. Their kicker is bad.

Wish I just unfounded coincidence. If we pull it out, it's ALL on the defense. I don't care if Allen scores the winning TD, the defense turned lemons into lemonade.

Oliver whiffing on the that potential sack hurt.