BigDingus

If people look back to each year's "pre-draft" speculation and mocks, every QB class gets scrutinized up & down for being insanely risky based on the prospects. Even the guys projected to go early in the 1st round are often only projected to go their based on QB-desperate teams, otherwise they're considered above-average projects with the "potential" to be the answer long-term. Hell, just looking back at the Wentz & Goff draft, they were seen as #1 & #2 interchangeably just because they were the ONLY options, and because the Rams & Eagles were THAT needy to grab them back to back. Prior to the Rams trade from 15 to 1, most people didn't have their mocks with Goff & Wentz #1 & #2. And if you're looking at scouting/scoring reports on prospects pre-draft, we have (All Scores from NFL.com Draft Profile): **2014** -Blake Bortles: 6.22 -Johnny Manziel: 6.12 -Teddy Bridgewater: 6.15 -Derek Carr: 6.14 (Yes, he was 2nd round) Average: 6.15 _____________________________________________________________________________ **2015** -Jameis Winston: 6.70 -Marcus Mariota: 6.27 Average: 6.48 _____________________________________________________________________________ **2016** -Carson Wentz : 6.53 -Jared Goff: 6.51 -Christian Hackenberg: 5.59 (Yes, he was 2nd round) -Paxton Lynch: 6.17 Average: 6.20 _____________________________________________________________________________ **2017** -Patrick Mahomes: 5.87 -DeShaun Watson: 5.98 -Mitch Trubisky: 6.31 -DeShone Kizer: 5.78 (Yes, he was 2nd round) Average: 5.98 _____________________________________________________________________________ **2018** -Josh Allen: 5.95 -Sam Darnold: 7.10 -Baker Mayfield: 6.09 -Josh Rosen: 6.19 Average: 6.33 _____________________________________________________________________________ So out of the past 5 draft classes, the 2018 is the 2nd highest rated on average, and also offers the highest scoring prospect overall in Sam Darnold. I don't think it's anymore overrated or underrated than previous classes, just that there's simply more QB-needy teams at the top, most of whom offer something unique skillsets that could fit well with more teams. Yes, some people hyped it up a ton before last year's draft, saying "wait until next year to grab a QB!" or "2018's QB's are far superior!" but then again, you have people saying that EVERY year. At some point, you NEED to take your pick, as each season there's usually a couple of guys who end up proving they are viable starting QB's in the league. If you keep "waiting until next year!" like so many fans proclaim, you eventually face a point where you are out of options and are forced to take a QB in a class that is actually awful. We should know, it happened in the 2013 Draft with the Bills.... There were no highly touted prospects, just projects. Nobody wanted a QB that BAD except the Bills, and thus we grabbed EJ Manuel at #16 in the 1st round (waiting until the 16th pick for the first QB taken says all you need to know about that class), with the next QB going 39th overall in the 2nd round, Geno Smith. Better to take a shot now when there are actual viable options as opposed to the other method.

Mayfield definitely is worthy of being taken in the top 5. Allen, I agree. He has bust written all over him unless he's put in the perfect system with great talent & coaching around him. I think Mayfield has Drew Brees written all over him. Slightly bigger coming out of college, fantastic stats, skillset, and leadership, and also has that "it" talent lurking beneath. They both played 4 years of college football, both carried their teams, and they put up similar yearly numbers (with Mayfield beating him out). And Mayfield did all of this against better competition. What I like about Mayfield is he got better EVERY year and in virtually every category. 2013 - Yards: 2315 / Comp %: 64.1 / TD's: 12 / Int: 9 2014 - Yards: 3700 / Comp %: 68.1 / TD's: 36 / Int: 7 2015 - Yards: 3965 / Comp %: 70.9 / TD's: 40 / Int: 8 2016 - Yards: 4627 / Comp %: 70.5 / TD's: 43 / Int: 6 The more he was relied on, the better he was. He put up 119 TD's compared to only 21 Int's in his 3 years at OU. That's far & away the best ratio of the group, as well as carrying a 70% completion percentage in those years. That's insanely good. He'd be the consensus #1 overall pick if he was a few inches taller, that's for damn sure.

If I were the Bills, I'd hope Allen goes #1, then go from there. If he does, that leaves Mayfield, Rosen & Darnold, to which you then try to trade the Browns to move up to #4. If you are confident in all of them, you will have 1 for your choice no matter what. If the Giants don't go QB, you have your pick of 2, with 1 likely being Mayfield who they clearly are interested in (having met with him 4 or 5 times already). However, if the Browns take Darnold #1 overall (it seems 50/50 between him & Allen according to the "experts"), the pool is a little more murky (IMO). At that point, I'd just hope the Jets are the one to pull the trigger on him, and be happy with avoiding that risk. I'd only consider moving up to #2 if there's one guy I like that much more, head & shoulders above all else.

Since when is a QB's college stats their ceiling? Is the way they are in college the BEST they'll ever be in their lifetime? Have they learned EVERYTHING there is to learn in their 2-4 years in college? Have they been coached by the best of the BEST while at that school? Is the talent around them the BEST they'll ever have? Have they grown physically, and mentally to their peak at that age? Are they as mature & emotionally stable as they'll ever get with age? Have they had the BEST leadership present at all levels, with no room for improvement? Jim Kelly's college stats: 1979 - Yards: 721 / Comp %: 46.2 / TD's: 5 / Int: 6 1980 - Yards: 1519 / Comp %: 52.9 / TD's: 11 / Int: 7 (126 yards per game) 1981 - Yards: 2403 / Comp %: 58.9 / TD's: 14 / Int: 14 (218 yards per game) 1982 - Yards: 585 / Comp % 63.0 / TD's: 3 / Int: 1 Hmmm....I wonder if he got better? Tom Brady's college stats: 1996 - Yards: 26 / Comp %: 60 / TD's: 0 / Int: 1 1997 - Yards: 103 / Comp %: 80 / TD's: 0 / Int: 0 1998 - Yards: 2427 / Comp %: 61.9 / TD's: 14 / Int: 10 1999 - Yards: 2217 / Comp %: 61.0 / TD's: 16 / Int: 6 I think he got better too... Aaron Rodgers college stats: 2003 - Yards: 2903 / Comp %: 61.6 / TD's: 19 / Int: 5 2004 - Yards: 2566 / Comp %: 66.1 / TD's: 24 / Int: 8 And he definitely had a higher ceiling than his college stats showed... Then there's the flip-side where those who look like their ceiling is out of this world, only for it to be a mirage once they hit the pros. Many top-tier prospects that look like they're "can't-miss" draft picks end up bombing out, playing like they had been selected from off the couch having never thrown a ball. Anyway...college stats are indicative of how good they can BECOME. They can grow into an all-time great, or they can sink to the Pit of Despair a la Ryan Leaf & JaMarcus Russell.

Just posting the "news." Added the ESPN article that also has us as the #1 team most likely to trade up. As if we didn't think so before, it's seeming more & more realistic that the Bills don't want to risk the Jets snagging their guy.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2768346 "The Buffalo Bills could acquire the No. 2 overall pick in the 2018 NFL draft from the New York Giants, according to ESPN's Todd McShay." " Bleacher Report's Matt Miller also expects the Bills to trade up for a quarterback, but he predicted in his latest mock that they will nab UCLA's Josh Rosen after ascending to No. 6 in a swap with the Colts." I don't even want to think about what it'd take to get there, but as long as Beane & Co. are THAT confident in the guy (and don't grab Allen) I'm good with it. Also, ESPN article on "Ranking the NFL teams most likely to trade up to draft a QB" (Bills at #1) - http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/23019613/2018-nfl-draft-ranking-six-teams-mostly-likely-trade-top-quarterback 1. Buffalo Bills This is the most obvious choice. The Bills already moved up from No. 21 to No. 12 in a deal that sent left tackle Cordy Glenn to Cincinnati, and they still hold the No. 22 overall pick. Having two first-rounders gives Buffalo a unique ability to maneuver in the first round, and having unproven options AJ McCarron and Nathan Peterman on the roster gives the team motivation. Problem is, the old draft value chart developed by Jimmy Johnson assigns a point value of 1,200 to the No. 12 pick and 800 to the No. 21 pick, which adds up to 2,000 and is therefore a bit less than, say, the 2,600 points assigned to the Giants' No. 2 pick. So if the Bills want to jump the Jets, it's going to take more than just their two 2018 first-rounders. Buffalo might be better off eyeing the Browns' No. 4 overall pick, though by that point, the Bills could be left with their fourth-choice quarterback.

Still all-in on the "anyone but Allen" bandwagon. I really think there's a 0.001% chance the Bills want Allen. There's even less of a chance we trade up to #2 to grab him. Let the Jets be stuck with him. It's a win-win for us.

Oh, so you're the topic police? Maybe you should go back & read the topic and refresh your memory. Read the thread title to start, then read the content. That's usually what people do before responding in a thread. After doing that, notice his discussion of the QB situation and mentioning his opinion on Tyrod Taylor. Notice how my post mentioned Tyrod Taylor (AKA on Topic, duh). Then, read your response. You asked a question. What do people do when asked a question? They RESPOND to that question. I did just that. You replied that I'm trolling. Perhaps you should read what trolling is. Just because you disagree with a comment, doesn't mean I'm trolling. Responding to your question about "why aren't you bothered by Nathan Peterman?" isn't "trolling." Also, speaking off being off topic, YOU discussing Nathan Peterman IS off topic. The OP wasn't talking about him at all. Go back and read his post... Notice anything? He NEVER ONCE said a the words "Nathan Peterman," but funny enough, he DID discuss Tyrod Taylor, to which I responded about. Hmmmmmmmmm, who's off topic again? Maybe you should just stop responding. You look really, really dumb right now. Note since you probably have a very small attention span: Key elements in our discussion are highlighted & underlined so you're not confused anymore.

I just took the Wonderlic to see how racially biased it is....and although I got a 70%, I didn't finish the last 1/4 of the test due to time restrictions. I have no idea how ANYONE could say that's racially biased. It's simple math, basic problem solving, and some easy turds thrown in that make you roll your eyes. Here are some questions I got: 1. Which word doesn't belong? A) Kilometer B) Centimeter C) Meter D) Inch (gee, I wonder) 2. What is the 8th month of the year? A) March B) August C) June D) September 3.The bill is $19.56. You pay $50.01. How much change should you get? 4. Are the following words similar, contradictory, or unrelated? Optional / Observational 5. Dog is to vetenarian as ______ is to dentist: A) stomach B) teeth C) eyes D) leg 6. The bones that make up the spine are: A) humerus B) vertebrae C) femur D) metatarsals 7. Which number is smallest? A) 0 B) .046 C) .468 D) .00468 8. What is the 5th month after March? A) June B) October C) September D) August (yes, almost same question as #2) And many more.... Most are insanely easy. The only ones that could be "hard' are some of the ones that just take a minute to make sure you got the basic math right. If you can multiply, divide, add & subtract, you should be perfectly fine. A question like "if Martha & Steve have 95 pencils, and Martha has 4 times as many pencils as Steve, how many pencils does Steve have?" isn't "hard," it just takes a moment to make sure you got the info down. But the one thing it isn't is "racially biased" in ANY way.

Maybe you need to get a refresher on what the word "trolling" means. Just because someone says something you don't like & are overly sensitive & insecure about, doesn't mean that's "trolling." Grow up. If you can't have a mature conversation, maybe don't ask me a question in the first place. Don't bother responding until you're at least 18 and have watched some football.

Substitute Mayfield with Allen, and your post makes more sense.

Hey, hey, hey.... His hands are YUUUUGEEE. They're the YUUUGEST hands! In fact, they're the best hands anyone has ever seen. And I know hands, people call me the "hand master." Some may not know this, but hands are used to grab & hold things. Yeah, I know, crazy right? You know who doesn't have big hands? Little Rocket Man. His hands are puny little things, that's why I call him LITTLE Rocket Man. Funny right? Some people say I'm really funny, like a lot of people, famous people...the best people. They also know my hands are big, they'll tell you. And Little Rocket Man? He's Asian. You mentioned wangs earlier...you know what they say about Asian wangs right? Two Wong's don't make a Wang. Yeah, I think that's what they say...I saw it in a fortune cookie once. I love the Chinese, it's so cool how they know the future...must be that Kung Fu and Wu Tang they do.

Oh thank God! I don't care that he thinks we'll trade up to #2, but the fact he believes we're taking Allen means we most certainly are NOT. YAAAAAAAAY!

It makes sense that 2 years in college wouldn't be as successful as 3 or 4, but each individual is their own case. Whether "experts" say they're too small, don't have a big arm, didn't play in a pro-system, had a bad combine, didn't play against good competition/played at a small school, etc. there's always SOMETHING different that can be pointed to to assume they won't do well in the NFL. Some people get drafted in the 1st round, then sit 3 years behind a first ballot HOF'er (Rodgers) and become great (who knows what would've happened with his career had he played day 1). Some people are mediocre their first 2 years, prompting their team to draft their replacement year 3, only to light it up & become a first ballot HOF'er themselves (Brees). Some get passed up repeatedly & don't get drafted until the 3rd or even 6th rounds because they're seen as projects, then prove the world wrong (Wilson & Brady). Then on the flip side you have people that tore it up in college, won Heisman's, won National Championships, broke NCAA records left & right, and ended up bombing out in the NFL. I think the most you can do is look at their in-game play, their decision making, their leadership, and their personality...and that's it. Are they smart? Do they party a lot & stir up controversy? Did they rise to the occasion in big games? How did they play against good teams? How's their work ethic & commitment? Do they have drug problems/possible suspensions? THOSE are the things that usually end up being the deciding factors in who ends up succeeding as an NFL QB. If multiple red flags pop up for those questions, history has shown us they usually fail. The rest of their success is based on what the coaches who drafted them do with them, and if they're developed well & put in a position to succeed.

Why would you assume I'm not bothered by Peterman? And although I am, I'm not nearly as bothered as I was with Tyrod for many obvious reasons. 1. One was a rookie 5th round pick, the other was a 7 year veteran. 2. One hadn't started a single game prior to this year, the other was on season 3 as a starter. 3. One has only 2 starts in his career (please tell me how to determine if a guy will have a sucky career in 1 & 1/2 games) to base all his merits on, while the other has 42. 4. He has gotten progressively more timid, and has lead us to dead last, or close to dead last, in passing offense every year he's been starter 5. He has a 3-24 record when their team goes down by even a SINGLE point at any time in the 4th quarter. 6. One was paid like a mid-tier starter, the other is paid like a 5th round rookie (which is virtually nothing) 7. One at least TRIES to look downfield, the other has no game awareness and continues to throw 2 yard passes to RB's when down by 20 on 3rd & long in the 4th quarter. 8. He has had 3 years as starter & only 1 game with 300 yards passing (and that took going into OT to BARELY hit), while he has twice as many games throwing for less than 70... And that's just the general things that bothered me about TT, along with him actually REGRESSING in his 3 seasons as starter. O

So because they're dead, that negates all criticism for all eternity? Every public figure gets criticism, even after death, yet suddenly it's off limits for Ralph Wilson? Man, so many Presidents would love to have those rules!

Tyrod was bad. You must not have been taking advantage of Game Pass, or missed quite a few games last year if you think he was still even "pretty good." He's only "serviceable" if you enjoy managing to barely beat bad-mediocre teams off the back of your defense, and completely falling apart against good teams unless the defense saves the day with 1000 turnovers. Also, Allen has bust written all over him, and it has nothing to do with him being Jewish. Most normal people could give a s*** if he's Jewish or not, same with NFL GM's & scouts. If a guy can be a franchise QB, he could be a Satanist who only eats goats slaughtered with his bare hands & they'd take him if he could throw for 250-300 yards & 2+ TD's a game.

I'd take ANYONE over Allen, and I think the Bills brass has the same mindset (thank God). Might as well say "I hate my job & don't want a career anymore" if you draft him.

Their breakdown seems weird....just this alone raises tons of red flags - Top QBASE Projections, 1997-2017 Player / QBASE: Philip Rivers 1964 Carson Palmer 1916 Donovan McNabb 1799 Baker Mayfield 1480 Russell Wilson 1288 Peyton Manning 1279 Marcus Mariota 1277 Byron Leftwich 1216 Aaron Rodgers 1216 Ben Roethlisberger 1211 So based on these same metrics, they had Byron Leftwich ahead of Aaron Rodgers & Ben Roethlisberger? Or Carson Palmer above Peyton Manning? I think Mayfield will be good too, but the way they put value on QB's pre-draft projections seems off if these are the results. Darnold having a 52% Bust rating & 4% Elite rating compared to Luke Faulk's 54% & 7%? Wtf is going on there?

All I care about is Texas Tech being in the Elite 8 for the first time ever!!!! Although they'll likely lose to Villanova today, it's been a crazy ride! Hope Kansas wins so they can get beat by Tech in the Final Four

No, it's definitely relevant in context of our franchise futility. It also goes hand in hand with our terrible GM's, coaches, and management philosophy prior to Beane. And in terms of this board, we have yet again countless people in the "kick the can ahead to next year again!" camp...the same people who always say "wait until next year" to draft a QB because they're afraid everyone is a bust if they're not automatically labeled the best QB of all time prior to stepping foot in the league. 100% relevant.

Darnold----Face of Franchise Rosen------Solid Starter (Alex Smith esque) Allen--------Bust Mayfield--Solid Starter (potentially Face of Franchise) Jackson---Weak Starter (backup) Rudolph - Weak Starter (backup)

https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2018/3/25/17129282/buffalo-bills-have-never-picked-a-quarterback-in-the-top-10-of-the-nfl-draft-three-teams "Since the NFL merger in 1970, the Bills are one of three teams to never have used a top-10 draft pick at the most important position in the game. Buffalo is joined on this list by the Minnesota Vikings and Baltimore Ravens." "Buffalo has only used a first-round draft pick on a quarterback three times, with one winding up as a Hall of Famer, and the other two leaving Buffalo after disappointing tenures. The last two times the Bills picked a quarterback in the first round, they missed badly on their quarterback of the future." And we've only been to the playoffs a handful of times outside of the Kelly era... We always try the "build a strong team around a game manager" approach, and we end up with the same results. We bring a new coach who has a renewed commitment to a "strong running game, combined with a hard-nosed defense" philosophy. Then we end up as a mediocre, middle of the road team, coach gets fired, new guy comes in & guts the previous regime's roster, and starts the cycle all over again. Hopefully Beane realizes this cycle needs to change & does what needs to be done.

The Colts probably notified Beane that they got a better offer. They let them know what that offer was, and told them the point value of what it was, but not the exact details (as to hide the potential bidder's identity). Beane then had to decide if it was a bluff, and if the Colts were just trying to milk them for more, or if this was true & he'd have to reevaluate his offer. I doubt the Colts just phoned them and said "Hey, the Jets are offering us ________ ! What you got now?"

It also seems the usually 1 of the 2 guys ends up being hits, or 1 of the guys has a career cut short by injuries.