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There are some real mental gymnastics a lot of Phins fans have been doing. They simultaneously believe Josh sucks and is an overrated bum while thinking Tua is in line for a "massive year three jump forward just like Josh Allen." And Tua isn't even attempting this throw, not in that same situation anyway. Also, Josh makes this throw on the run. I dunno if anyone watches The QB School on YouTube with JT O'Sullivan but his breakdowns are pretty good and he applies criticism where it's warranted. He said this throw was absolutely ridiculous and he doesn't know many QBs that would even try it let alone connect on it. Phins fans....da skidmarks of the NFL audience.

Has it been reported on how many years he's looking for on his extension? I know that's probably something they could get hung up on. Poyer is 31, not that he can't still go but you know how it goes in football, you hit 30 and people start looking for the decline. I'd imagine maybe a two year extension? That'd keep him here through 2024. Either way, I hope it all works out. If anything, McDermott knows how to coach defensive backs. Tre and Kaiir are first round guys but Dane Jackson was a 7th rounder and he's done pretty well. Christian Benford went in the 6th and won the starting gig for now. Hyde went in the 5th, Poyer in the 7th. Ol' Josh Norman was a 5th and had his best days in Carolina while McDermott was the DC there. Jaquan Johnson (6th round) looks like he could be a solid replacement. All I've read on the guy is that he has every trait you look for in a safety and has a natural knack for the position and always seems to be around the ball...he's just undersized. Taron Johnson was a 4th round guy and he's only turned into one of the best slot CBs in the game. Levi Wallace was undrafted and just held down the starting spot across from Tre for like four seasons. Siran Neal is a jack of all trades in the secondary and a core special teamer. If they can't retain Poyer, I won't be too bummed because I'm confident they'll find an adequate replacement.

OP you sound like the kind of "fan" that would see Josh Allen out getting a pizza and you'd jump on here and say, "Shouldn't he be studying his playbook?!" Blechhhh. Knock it off. There's nothing to go off. Kid carried the ball once, fumbled it, sat the rest of the game, it happens. He'll be fine. And are you a psychiatrist? You've studied his behaviors and traits and made a scientific conclusion, yes? Go outside.

After using the Time Stone to peer into fourteen million different futures I can tell you the answer is... NEVAAAHHHHH!!!!! As it should be, because Jalen Ramsey is an overrated buttdumpling. And, I've gotta say, I've never really seen it with Ramsey. I'm sure he has good games but I don't think he's a top tier CB like the talking heads all claim. Maybe Josh just makes him his biatch every time they play, I dunno, but the dude always seems to be doing a whole lotta yappin' and a whole lotta nothin' on the field.

Aw man, I heard that's his good horse riding foot.

But I already bought the mat...

I don't get as concerned as many others do. The dude is 6'5" 250 lbs, he's bigger than all DBs and most LBs. Just listen to some defenders about him. Darius Leonard said he hit the dude with everything he had and he got ran over anyway. Joey Bosa during a game was like "What am I supposed to do, let him run me over? He's f@$#in' huge!" I mean yeah I'd rather he not get walloped by DL as big as he is but that's part of the game and he knows how and when to protect himself. I also find it kind of odd that nearly every time Josh takes off for a run there has to be chatter about "oh he needs to be careful, he could get hurt, coach won't like that one!" Yet when Lamar Jackson is out there racking up 125 yards on the ground every game everyone's just, "Wow what an amazing player he is, the running is such a big part of his game!" I mean for cripes sake the Ravens redesigned their entire offense because of his running ability. I'm sure they're concerned about injury as well but it seems like you never hear much about that. But noted Monstar Josh Allen trucks over a 5'10" 185 lb DB and it's yappidy yap from 37 talking heads about how he needs to be careful.

You know that's not how any of this works, man! Bills could win the Super Bowl with a game more perfect than the Wild Card game against the Pats and some knucklehead would be like "yeah but the defense allowed 5 first downs and I'm concerned."

I got uh, lemme see here...a secret decoder ring from the gumball machine I got at Ames in 1987. I've got a used car mat. One slinky. A broken VCR and a sock full of nickels. The Backyard Fat Guys have signed Lamar Jackson.

If they muck it up tonight I'm gonna blame all of youse.

One of them new hybrid "rass" plays originated by King Shorts back in the 2021 Wild Card game against Indy. He's gonna run it, wait no he's not, he's throwing it.

Something I always see a lot of numbers people and stat-heads yap about is quantity... how many receptions for how many yards, etc. etc. They oughta mention quality as well. Some dudes end up with 100 receptions a year and 50 of them are five yard little dump-offs behind the line. Some guys might only have 65 receptions but like 10 of them went for TDs, 28 went for first downs, etc. I feel like that sometimes gets overlooked.

Well this is pleasant news amongst the pro wrestling mess from this week, which I only mention because I'm going to AEW Dynamite tonight up at KeyBank. Anywho, the Beane-McDermott draft > develop > extend has yielded... -Tre White -Dion Dawkins -Matt Milano -Josh Allen -Taron Johnson -Siran Neal -Dawson Knox -Reggie Gilliam I'd imagine guys like Edmunds and Oliver are next in line for an extension. Maybe even late round guys like Jaquan Johnson who they seem pretty high on. And I think this season will determine whether they keep Singletary or Moss.

I mean maybe he's pointing to the Jacksonville game? But the team as a whole didn't perform well that day. I'd say all QBs get fooled now and then. But I wouldn't say "routinely" for Josh, not based on watching him his entire career and seeing the steady improvements in his game. Also, go watch that half hour chat he had with Chris Simms last week. Lot of great insight on how the dude thinks and sees things out there. Sounds way too informed and intelligent to be a guy who's "routinely" tricked by disguised coverages. Also, I heard Steven Ruiz talking about Josh's mama, therefore the dude is a bum.

All in all a pretty fair assessment. Belichunks has never drafted well and his assistant coaches often don't succeed on other teams. Every now and then they develop a mid to late round guy or an undrafted guy. Can't say the ol Hoodie isn't one of the all time greats but Brady made up for so much on those teams over the years. Allowed Belichunks to always focus more on defense and if things with the offense didn't look so hot on paper they'd just shurg and go "meh we still have Tom" and just roll the dice with whatever they had on offense.

I was watching a breakdown video he did on the run game and I started to feel like Jules in Pulp Fiction, except it wasn’t “Say ‘what’ one more GD time!” It was, “Say ‘north and south’ one more GD time!” He dropped the term every 30 seconds, it became irritating enough for me to ditch the video. His stuff isn’t bad, he knows the X’s and O’s, he did that online scouting academy thing, but I don’t think much of his delivery.

I had a similar thought, dunno when it could happen but if Jimmy's hanging around he might be thinking he's gonna wind up the starter again sometime down the road.

I was scrolling through a list of all cuts around the league and I zipped past Cleveland and I see what my eyes tell me is, "OL Wyatt Teller" and I was like, WTF?! Nope, it was an OL named Wyatt Miller, lol.

Had to happen. Can't have that kind of drama hanging over the team. Media are like sharks, that's all they'd ask about. Keeping him around just continues the distraction and you can see it's already affected McDermott. Can't have it. Especially with the type of culture they're always preaching.

You're a suspect in my missing burrito case so who's really guilty here fella

Gracias. Yeah, I didn't read about the Araiza news until this morning. Whether or not the kid is innocent I think you've gotta cut him. It's just so gross and heinous to have that kind of black cloud hanging over the team. Let alone the poor woman who suffered, yeesh. Sorry, Matt, you done f*%@$d up. Especially on a team led by culture king Sean McDermott, can't have that stuff.

Alrighty I'll take a crack... QB Josh Allen Case Keenum RB/FB Devin Singletary Zack Moss James Cook Taiwan Jones Reggie Gilliam WR Stefon Diggs Gabe Davis Isaiah McKenzie Jamison Crowder Khalil Shakir Isaiah Hodgins Jake Kumerow TE Dawson Knox OJ Howard Tommy Sweeney OL Dion Dawkins Rodger Saffold Mitch Morse Ryan Bates Spencer Brown Tommy Doyle David Quessenberry Greg Mancz DL Von Miller Greg Rousseau Boogie Basham AJ Epenesa Shaq Lawson Ed Oliver DaQuan Jones Jordan Phillips Tim Settle LB Tremaine Edmunds Matt Milano Tyrell Dodson Terrel Bernard Tyler Matakevitch DB Tre White Kaiir Elam Taron Johnson Dane Jackson Siran Neal Christian Benford Micah Hyde Jordan Poyer Jaquan Johnson Damar Hamlin ST Reid Ferguson Tyler Bass Matt Araiza

I can see what you're saying, just boot it thru the EZ every time. I'm sure there are times kickers just don't quite get all of it and it's a returnable ball. But I'm also sure there are times the ST coach might want the kick to be returnable for a number of reasons. Maybe the returner has bobbled the previous kick and they're thinking maybe they'll get a turnover. The other reason I could think is maybe they feel they could pin them back behind the 25 yard line and give them a longer field. Also, once the returner catches the ball, the clock starts which would be handy if your team was ahead with a few seconds to go and wanted to leave the opponent with as little time as possible. I'm trying super hard to figure out a game where that happened tho and I just can't seem to come up with anything....

This thread brought up a lot of names I haven't seen in a while. I started posting on the old Bills board back in like 2002. I was bummed when they closed down the Bills forums. They did it on my birthday no less haha. They wanted everyone to be on their social media instead. That's when I jumped over here. I'd know about it for quite a while but the official Bills forum was always more active at that time. This is usually a pretty good place. There are times when it devolves into insanity and people wanna pile on the team about something but that's pretty common with any team forums.

Your first line there echo my sentiments quite a bit with how I felt after this game. The offense just seems to operate so smoothly and with a lot of confidence. I mean, when things are rolling the way they’re supposed to, they’re great…and then when the play breaks down, it’s even better sometimes. You can tell Allen and the WR group have great chemistry. They see Josh moving around to avoid pressure and they instantly know where to go and try to get open for him and if he spots them it’s a 35 yard laser beam for a TD.