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Here is a list of Edge FAs this season. $20M is high, but $9M-$11M is low for Hughes. Plus prices will go up again next year if we wait. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/all/edge/

Here is the thread with my previous posts and the pertinent text. I stand by it being a very bad deal, but Star’s contract isn’t the end of the world. You just can’t make that kind of mistake/choice very often and still be okay: Quote 1: The Star signing was terrible. He’s useless on passing downs so you’re looking at run defender who eats up double teams. Yip. If you think that’s a $10M per year job, then you’re pretty out of touch with the value of players yourself. And we haven’t even gotten into how front loaded the deal is. We’d be on the hook for $26M if we cut him after 2 seasons and $33.5M if we cut him after 3. We have to keep him for all 5 seasons to get the $10M per season rate. How is that a defensible contract? Quote 2: Let’s start with what block eating DTs who are only valuable against the run are getting paid. Poe, who replaced Star in Carolina. 3/$28M and not nearly as front loaded as Star’s contract. So what other similar players in that ballpark? https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/contracts/defensive-tackle/ The above link is to the contracts of all DTs. I see Star with the 9th biggest DT contract. I see Poe on there. Other than that it seems like the well paid DTs are more complete players. I wouldn’t mind it if the Bills had paid more for such a player. But to burn that kind of cap space for that long on any player with those limitations is foolish.  Thread link:

I would not have had any problem with paying him market value either. But what we paid him is far above what we are getting in value. I broke this down in another thread, but two down run stuffers like him are much cheaper than his contract. I could only find one other that was even remotely close to him and that was the guy Carolina replaced him with. I’ll see if I can find it........

Ansah is way better than Murphy in all phases of the game. He’s also a much, much better pass rusher than Shaq. He would give us a better and deeper DE rotation. It would also protect us in the event one is injured. The rotation would certainly be much better with him in it. It depends on the deal. Not sure what you are thinking, but other options will not be plentiful next year. How many better options were out there this year? How many were within the Bills’ reach? With Hughes and Lawson currently set to be free agents we are looking for 3 quality DEs for 2020, including at least one difference maker and preferably two. I’d like to retain Hughes as one, but I don’t know how likely that is. Ansah is a productive DE who has been a very effective pass rusher. Right now all we have is Hughes in that regard. Ansah could really improve our anemic pass rush, especially with Oliver getting pressure up the middle.

That’s really not what I mean. I’m not advocating for building through free agency, although the Bills just made a lot of fairly expensive moves there already. Honestly more of those than I would’ve liked. What I’ve seen - and would advocate for - is making one splash move. A pick for player trade, big draft trade up next season or big FA signing for a difference maker at a position of need. I do not have a problem waiting until next season to do that. But if the opportunity presented itself I’d sure be happy to see the Bills jump at it.

Building a team like that is pretty common, but once the foundation is built it would make sense to be aggressive to finish it off. I have no problem with the Bills doing that when they think they’re ready. If the right move was out there I’d like them to jump at it. None of the OP’s moves seem like the right one though. AJ Green is the closest. I’d actually want them to do this deal if we could negotiate a long term deal (that wasn’t obscene) with him first. I’m not giving up a first round pick for a one year rental though. The real is is that Cincy isn’t trading him. They’ll make him play out his deal and then maybe franchise him one more year, or trade him then.

Nice stats to check out. Thanks.

I won’t disagree about getting similar production from Ziggy and Shaq, but Murphy is definitely a sizable step back. We’re one quality DE short right now IMO. Optimally I’d love another stud DE opposite Hughes with Shaq as our rotational DE and Murphy as depth. That’s not happening at this time of the year (barring a deal for Clowney). Ansah would give us a very solid 3 DE rotation though. Now let’s look beyond this season. Hughes is in his last year. Shaq only has his option year left. The team is still thinking about that (https://www.profootballrumors.com/2019/04/bills-undecided-on-shaq-lawsons-fifth-year-option) but the decision is due by 5/2. This is the real issue. As it stands we won’t have any DEs worthy of starting next season (sorry, Murphy). So this is the really huge issue. I’d love to see Hughes extended. Ansah would depend on the deal he requires. As for Shaq, I expect him to walk in FA either before or after his 5th year option is exercised. He isn’t living up to his draft position which makes a deal with us tough to do. Regardless, a deal has to set done with someone or we will be hurting next season.

And McDermott was the unanimous choice of the 6 member executive board for the Browns Head Coach job. Haslam overruled them and hired Hue Jackson instead. How different things could have been.......

Good for you!

So then you are a sapiosexual?

109k on a 2012 Audi Q5. Bought used like 4 years ago.

I’m trying to wrap my head around Mike Brown caring at all about Bengals fans. But I get your point.

I can’t believe that Mike Brown isn’t in on Rosen. It seems perfect for a cheap bastige like him. Dalton could be cut along with his $16M salary this season. He’d have Rosen under contract for 3 seasons for $1.28M, $2.08M and $2.88M, respectively. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/arizona-cardinals/josh-rosen-25105/

That’s really the thing here. Oliver is the guy I wanted who I thought could reasonably make it to the Bills. We got him. Pretty much all of the other players others preferred were already gone. Except for Metcalf. And his fans can’t reasonably argue that he should have been the pick at 9 now. They are busy still hoping for him to be a Bill anyway.

Teams pumped him up too (publicly, that is). A player with his measurables is tailored made for teams to feign interest in. The media goes nuts.

Lots of OL out there too

Sure. I’ll root for the players taken even if I don’t think they have a high probability of success. But I can still discuss my expectations and their progress (or lack thereof). I can stay objective.

Yup. Especially since the guy you’d be drafting might not even end up playing OT.

Now I want lighting to flash and thunder to roar menacingly every time that Goodell speaks.

Would much, much, much prefer Oliver in this scenario. Thus, I would be disappointed in Jonah Williams. I don’t worry about JW’s technique, but I do worry somewhat about his athleticism. It adequate but it isn’t elite or even above average for an OT. For me 9 is too high for a player that doesn’t check both boxes - tape and measurables. I’m not saying he won’t be good, just that I don’t take the risk there. Give me Oliver. (Before anyone says it, I don’t have any issue with his playing weight. It’s enough that it is not a negative at all.) Edited to add that I’d have no issue with taking an OT at 9 that did check both boxes.

Thats a lot more interesting to me.

I’m in Naples, FL seeing my dad. I’ll be watching it with him. Round one at his place and rounds 2 & 3 at a local bar.

The 5th was fine. Paying McCarron $4.1M to get that 5th was stupid. So was keeping Peterman on the roster.

Instantly. But there’s no way Philly or anyone else offers anything close to that for Shady now. That would value him as a 3rd round pick by the way.