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I am sure that’s true, but plenty of people would support that player wholeheartedly. And a bunch more of us would do as you said, but still be happy he was producing. Personally I’d be elated to take a Terrell Owens, Chad Johnson and/or OBJ on my team.

Okay. Jim Kelly. Revered in Buffalo. People have conveniently forgotten the number of times he sent Jill to the hospital when he played here. There’s the numerous times he partied with women not Jill and all of the reported times he was a class A jerk to people. Yes, he’s also done a lot of charity work and kept his public image clean, but I’ll never wear his jersey. With that said, I am out.

He did go into the locker room one play early to get an IV, if Shurmur is to be believed. And he was back catching the ball on the Giants first play from scrimmage. So you are making something out of nothing here. Ditto for your complaints about his meaningless (albeit childish) antics. Get real.

I could not agree more. OBJ is an arrogant jerk, but he’s not Ray Lewis or Ben Roethlisberger. He’s full of himself. Imagine that, a highly talented WR with an oversized ego. If he was a Bill no one on this board would care - except for the trolls - and a bunch would wear his jersey.

The crux of the issue is whether to use resources to acquire another QB versus a player that could help Allen succeed. Let’s say free agency doesn’t yield anything and we’re sitting with a top 10 pick. Our pick rolls around and there’s both quality QB and WR prospects on the board. What do you do? Passing on that WR for someone to compete with Allen will certainly be seen as undercutting him. The Bills better be sure that he’s NOT their guy if they make that kind of move.

7th in DVOA now. Niiiiice! https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef

That is going to be tough to define. How about QBs who required significant improvements in some areas when they were drafted? It’s tough though since many sat. Did Aaron Rodgers need that time on the bench, or was he just stuck behind a great QB? Or how about Goff. He had a bad first year and is blossoming in his second, but he did not seem to have a lot of flaws needing fixed when he came out. But it still took him that time to put it together. Dunno. Good question.

Someone will take him to try at OG or for depth/injury replacement at OT.

Maybe kick back a pick or two. Take their 2nd and send back a 4th and 6th or something like that.

Yeah but I do get the playing angry angle

Then I’m not playing football anymore.

Yeah. Could wind up with people playing both sides with a big swing too.

Damn

Vegas isn’t going to change their minds much based on any single game. Consistency is needed to change public opinion - which is what’s important - because Vegas is much more concerned with keeping the money even on both sides than accuracy of betting lines, etc.

Absolutely correct. I think Dorsey makes a good selection though. Todd Haley (current Browns OC as of this season) is a possibility. You’d have to think that longtime Saints OC Pete Carmichael would get a look due to his success and the similarities between Brees and Mayfield.

Likely 5-0 had they started Mayfield from the start of the season. Coaching mistakes have hurt them too though.

I saw DA’s entire tenure in Cleveland when he was the QB there. He’s tall, strong armed and inaccurate. He can’t throw receivers open and he’s not great at reading defenses. Also he isn’t very mobile. He’s precisely what I’m afraid of Josh Allen becoming (Josh’s superior mobility aside.) One of my comments when we picked Allen was “I hope we didn’t just draft Derek Anderson.” There’s almost no one I want on this team less than DA. He’s still probably better than Peterman, but keep him away from Josh.

It’s going to be a great game if you like to watch dominant defensive line play. It’s too bad this isn’t a Week 15 game for us. I’d much rather face the Texans after Watson gets injured. Still, it’s winnable if we can harass him enough. I just pray that we don’t get a roughing the QB flag happy referee crew.

Cleveland is a quality coaching staff away from being a very, very good football team. Once Hue Jackson and Gregggg are canned and replaced they’ll be a playoff team. It won’t happen this season but look for it next. Mayfield is the real deal and they’ve got some real talent on their defense. Garrett and Ward will be their cornerstones for years to come.

Whoops. Good catch. I’m not seeing stats for through 5 games. Maybe because the Monday night game hasn’t been played yet?

I really like what the defense is becoming. Their DVOA through 5 games has risen to 14th (not top 10 yet). That’s up from 22nd as of last week. https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef

I’m glad we won and I know it’s really early in Allen’s career, but he was not good today. Despite the W it was a very rough outing for him. He can’t continue to be that inconsistent with his accuracy.

Nope. We were hoping for a decent bridge starter to keep Allen on the bench so he could learn. We knew that we were going to have a bad season and just didn’t want to see Allen ruined for no good reason. As far as AJ goes, I wasn’t at all happy with him being the vet brought in, but at least he wasn’t Peterman. Paying him $4M+ for some preseason work and a 5th round pick was beyond dumb. At that point they should’ve kept him around so the only options weren’t Peterman and Allen.

A few years ago my daughter played on the same team as Dabol’s. I met him and he seemed like a decent guy. I’m sure being near her was a big factor in him wanting to move back here.

Hue Jackson is waaaaaay too high on that list.