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Absolutely. He’s not a fit for TT at all. His game needs a QB with anticipation, accuracy and timing. He’ll founder until Mayfield hits the field, then it’ll depend on Mayfield. Baker’s skill set is right in line with Landry’s so if he’s the real deal they could be stellar with a clean Gordon. Lots has to happen though. I will reserve judgement until Mayfield gets rolling.

An NFL team is going to give a 34 year old OG with chronic behavioral issues a decent long term deal?

They asked him to take a pay cut and gave him a signing bonus as part of that. That’s not uncommon for a 34 year old player and I certainly wouldn’t call it jerking him around. He agreed, took the signing bonus and then retired without so much as even attending one practice or off season workout. That is an extremely rare, if not unprecedented, situation and one I’d definitely classify as him jerking the Bills around. Especially with the request for release so he could potentially play elsewhere and Twitter BS. Usually that’s true with signing bonuses, but this would be a bad faith situation. They can be recouped in such situations.

Perhaps this was part of a deal where the Bills recouped the signing bonus they just paid him. That’d make sense. He could fight having to return it, but would likely lose that battle.

Sure, but it wasn’t like he hasn’t been a problem literally everywhere he’s played football going back through both of his college teams. His first stint in Buffalo was the only one that wasn’t marred by misbehavior. What owner or GM really wants to take that chance on a guy at the end of his career who might be a problem and/or create problems in the locker room?

Agreed. I thought the same thing about him. The other issue I had with him was his size and style of play though. His injury last season might be a sign of things to come so I’ll leave the jury out on him. Still, he did better than I thought he would.

Jake Locker. Thought he’d be fantastic. He didn’t totally bust, but he wasn’t anything great - and the realities of the game did not jibe with his Christian values so he walked away early.

Agreed. There are a lot of scouting reports out there that are not at all complimentary of Allen. It’s nice to see that someone loved him and thought he was the #1 QB prospect before we drafted him.

I didn’t see them a lot, but always had good experiences. All of them were on visits from Korea so they spoke very little English. They worked on a lot of grips, joint locks and moves where we would use our opponents momentum against them. Makes sense since we were in a TKD school and it gave us a bit of a different flavor. They all had phenomenal hand strength and were excellent with them.

Agreed. No need to burn $10M in cap space for a guy who’s going to phone it in until he gets injured. I’m not a McCarron fan, but Cutler doesn’t bet us much. Plus I wouldn’t want him directly or indirectly influencing Allen.

Hapkido as well. Some of the Korean Tae Kwon Do masters I knew brought in Hapkido masters for training sometimes.

Hiring Rex and watching him dump Schwartz. I tried to give him the benefit of doubt that he’d be smart and flexible enough to continue to run an attacking, one-gap 4-3 with Cover 2 but as soon as he said he was installing his read-and-react, 2-gap 3-4 with Cover 0, well, I knew we were screwed. The defense went from top 5 to garbage and we got to watch him change out half the personnel that would again have to be swapped out since that style of defense doesn’t work anymore. Super. An underrated sign of quality ownership is that they really need to choose a style of play for their offense and defense and hire only coaches who are consistent with that. Changes can happen, but not unnecessarily. Watkins over Mack is runner up.

Count me as I one who really didn’t think it a stretch that Ward went 4th overall. Chubb was the best of a bad class of Edge players and I think he’ll be a good player. I just don’t think he’s as good as his hype. I don’t see him as an elite NFL player. Ward was the best CB prospect in the draft - and he excels at man and press, which is increasingly rare. If the Patriots had made that pick everyone would be praising it. Would I have traded White for that 4th overall pick straight up? Yeah, I would have. That’s a lot of draft capital and the Bills have a lot of holes. It could’ve been parlayed into multiple picks (or prevented trading up with multiple picks). I really like White (and I realize his absence would create another hole), but Cover 3 Bail CBs are much easier to find than most at the position.

*Just get through this, Tom. Just get through it and remember Jack’s waiting for you at home.*

It probably doesnt help when people like me are rushing to check the site here and there around work. Sorry about the “dumb” comment about the poll. That was not called for. My bad. FWIW I will be rooting for Allen as long as he’s in a Bills uniform.

I don’t think you really got what you were looking for though. You were effectively asking what fans hate the Allen pick so much that they’ll root against him and the Bills. Anyone want to cop to that? The small number of dissenting votes can be accounted for by: - trolls - legit fans of other teams on this site yanking our chain and - people who misunderstood the question

I agree with this entire post. Well said. Cle: So sorry. I take Tyrod over McCarron and Mayfield over Allen every single time. Chi: Trubisky is a better prospect than Allen. Sorry. indy: It all depends on Luck’s health. If healthy, there’s no contest. Wait and see. Jax: Bortles. Wow. It would depend on what Allen becomes. Bortles is serviceable. No QB on the Bills has proven to be so yet. Mia: Ditto Hou: Ditto except Watson showed to be better than serviceable before being injured. Bal: Seriously? Flacco has fallen off considerably since he was Super Bowl MVP. But he was, you know, Super Bowl MVP - and he’s still better than anyone on the Bills roster has shown to be. i hope the Bills QB roster far exceeds my expectations - and I’ll be rooting for them all - but take the rose colored glasses off for just a sec.

I’m sure a few are. Some might’ve misread/misunderstood the poll though. I did at first then changed my vote when I caught my mistake. Kind of a dumb poll as written when you think about it. What’s the point? Who’s still pouting?

Didn’t want the Bills to pick him, but he’s our QB so I’m rooting for him. I’m not sure who wouldn’t be rooting for him whether or not they liked the pick.

Actually Sashi Brown wanted to draft Wentz but coach Hue Jackson didn’t want him.

I remembers thinking that at least we got an extra pick in the trade back before taking EJ. Still wasn’t a fan of him as a prospect. High bust potential and not a great ceiling. Was not a big fan of the fairly expensive trade up for Allen and am not a big fan of him as a prospect, mainly because he has such a high bust potential. But at least he has a very high ceiling and we didn’t give up any future picks. McBean swung for the fences with him and we will just have to hope for the best. Not much else to do at this point.

Wife (Amy) and three kids. This can’t be fun for any of them. I feel for them. For Russ, not so much. Kudos to the Pegula for showing him the door.

I noticed that too. I think I saw one C- for a given day grade. Wow.

This. We’re taking one in the shorts this season to build for the future. It needs to be done. McCarron wasn’t even close to McBean’s first choice as a bridge QB so I’m not expecting much.

Concussions.