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I wish this would happen so the notion that somehow an NFL team loses to a college team is put to rest. Saban has already proven he struggles to beat NFL teams with an NFL roster, I really don't see him doing ti with a college roster.

That's actually a really good point... I dunno though, it would have to be a pretty good number to make all of this worthwhile.

The thread is fine. Your post is like a John Miller pass block. Fell flat.

The picture that got posted looked like the kid fell and hit his chin. Having 4 boys, I've seen that injury before. Typically from running while looking behind you and falling. Lots of tears, big scrape, maybe some blood and then they're back at it. If that injury was truly from abuse, charges should be pressed against her and McCoy.

Allen and Edmunds don't matter to the big picture? Potential cap hits to next year and beyond don't matter? Point was, this is already a disaster. If the draft doesn't pan out I think it may be our worst offseason in the history of the franchise.

I've been trying to come up with a worse offseason for free agency moves and trades but I can't think of one off the top of my head. Signed a CB who quit at halftime, signed a DE who has been hurt and still doesn't look to be up to speed, traded for a WR and cut him, signed a veteran QB then traded him last minute to keep Peterman... didn't address the departures of Incognito or Wood, in fact doubled down and traded Glenn as well... I mean outside of the hope we have for Allen and Edmunds, this offseason was an absolute train wreck. And if they don't work out? Yikes. Edit: Forgot about the Star signing as well. Who can blame me?

African American coaches and starting players all over this team yet benching a ****ty QB for what turned out to be an even shittier QB is racist? Maybe the should direct their ire towards the Pats, they literally have more white starters than anyone else in the league.

Shady should just sit. It's not like the o-line can block for him. Those ribs will never heal trying to play through it.

So you liken him to two Super Bowl champions? Yea, "pretty solid." You can't really tell if he's diagnosing the defense because the line can't block even if he calls the correct protection. That's going to be something discussed while watching film. "What did you see on this play, what protection did you call, etc." The defense has given up 78 points in two games so that's going to make it even tougher to assess him as a player. It's certainly going to be a year full of adversity for him. His mental makeup and willing to lead will get him through year one. With the expected large sum of cap money available in the offseason and a potentially high 1st round pick, I would expect year two will be a much better environment to judge his individual performance.

Well he IS better than Peterman. But Peterman is historically bad. Like once in a lifetime bad. So I guess that isn't saying much.

I'm awfully confused as to why people on this message board, who have seen so many terrible QBs are now on this "they weren't developed properly" bandwagon. EJ Manuel was garbage in college, on a stacked team and was only asked to throw 3 yard passes. He had 5 300 yard games in 3 years in a weaker conference. There was nothing to develop. Do you think the coaches weren't trying to get JP to throw the ball instead of running backwards, fumbling, getting sacked, etc.? And who said to Trent hey, take this cheapshot to the helmet and never be the same. On 3. You are either good enough to play in the NFL or you aren't. Your career can end at any moment. Remember when Cam rolled his truck on the freeway? That could've been it for him. Or how about Kolb slipping on a mat? Hall of Fame Qbs tend to have Hall of Coaches and vice versa. And I think a lot of the time, the QB is making them look good, not the other way around.

The argument for sitting a rookie QB is only valid if you have another, viable option on the roster. The examples that people always bring up are guys that sat behind all pros and hall of famers. We don't have one of those. There's really no point in waiting, the kid is football smart, he needs the in game experience.

He has the tools but not the mind or the desire for the game. That drop in the endzone was ridiculous. He would've had to take a hand off for that to be any easier. He's worried about Cam and a contract when he needs to start over at square one. Catch the damn ball. Him and Zay both were prolific wide outs in college. And the both have some serious mental issues at the next level. I don't get it.

He's not going to sign Kap because Kap expects to start and if he doesn't then everyone is racist. Teams don't want Kap because you'd have to start him no matter what, no matter how bad he plays.

Yea it kinda is. Like he doesn't know how ****ty the o-line is? For how many great plays he makes, he also has a lot of negative runs and sometimes he needs to take the two yards instead of dancing in the backfield. And yea, I'm not one of those people that thinks McCoy is a god, sorry. Other teams know it too, he doesn't want to run between the tackles so if they shut down the outside you end up with a lot of negative plays.

Allen had more rushing yards than Shady. I don't feel bad for him because he doesn't get north/south and with this O line, that's your only hope of gaining any yards.

We have zero edge rushers. Zone schemes need edge rushers. We still have Hughes who had one good year while teams tried to account for Mario and Dareus on the other side. He's done nothing since. And that's our #1 guy. Talent evaluation has been a serious problem for this front office. They are so worried about character that they forget you need actual talent to win football games.

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Tom Tupa. He became a punter after his first start though. He didn't have a coach that kept pushing him out there even though he was terrible.

Simmer down little man. I'm just refuting your claim that it 100% won't happen. It certainly could. Allen could play even worse than Peterman all season. Then what? You play him next year anyways? Just stop. Put your booze down and take a nap.

One in which Tyrod had like 48 yards passing. I don't think any defense is going to look good with that kind of putrid offensive production.

I dunno, remember the Saints game last year?

Anything could happen. They started Nathan Peterman for Christ's sake. You really think that if a can't miss QB prospect is there at #1 overall and the one you drafted is terrible that you just pass on him because you already picked a guy? Sorry but I think you should be questioning your own sobriety. Allen has to start. As a front office you have to know. It could make sense to take another one. You don't get the number 1 overall every year. I am in no means advocating for this scenario but to say it's 100% impossible is daft. This team better look way different next year with all the cap space and what I'm going to assume is a very high or the highest pick in the draft. My hope is that Allen and starts and shows enough that there is confidence in him and we build around him.

Yea, no.

Two second round picks is not "a lot of draft capital." We gave up more to draft Watkins. And frankly, they draft poorly so what would they have really gotten with those two picks? Two more Zays? They'll do whatever they feel they need to do to build a successful franchise. Frankly, it's more of a mark on them to NOT start Josh Allen. This is their guy. They picked him. They made the trade. Peterman isn't even a serviceable backup at this point. He simply can not play quarterback at this level. To play him over their number 1 guy is a joke. The more Allen plays the better he will get. He did it at Wyoming and he has the physical gifts to do it at this level too. He probably took less reps this week than he has all camp in preseason. Start him. It's not just the game experience but the experience of preparing as the starter week in and week out that he's missing out on while they screw around with Peterman.