RunTheBall

Josh is back. I heard it click when he hit Gabe with that beautiful crosser. That first quarter was 80% in his head, 20% thinking of the elbow. The guy was second guessing what he was seeing because I’m sure McD made it clear no turnovers was the goal. Unfortunately you can’t play scared, especially a guy like Josh, but he had the mental fortitude to turn it around IN GAME and straighten his head out. No, he didn’t go bombs away after that, he didn’t need to. He moved the chains, hit his check downs quicker, and took what the D gave him. We needed a game where Josh didn’t need to be THE MAN and we still win comfortably (despite Mr. Inconsistent Gabe on the HANDS team). The team needed to see that when their QB isn’t 100% they can rally around and still win the game. That’s huge and will pay dividends in the future. I expect a similar game from Josh against the Lions with a few more deep shots off of play action especially if we can establish the run again.

All we needed was a W, any way possible and we got it. That’s the most important thing. A few things I liked - running the ball, run defense, Bass-O-Matic looking good, Cook’s carries (he needs more), Knox getting involved, Josh settling down after that gorgeous toss to Gabe “Maybe I’ll catch it, maybe I won’t” Davis (who caught it). I think Josh was a head case until the 2 minute warning and then seemed to turn it around. Not great, but play like that can easily snowball into disaster and he had the mental fortitude to fight through it. Maybe give a little of that Mojo to Tre. Things I didn’t like - CBs getting toasted regularly, I think we are playing too much man coverage. Not getting pressure with the front 4. Red Zone a work in progress but at least we came away with points each time which is an improvement. Biggest thing that pisses me off - does anyone else think that when we go up by 2 scores this defense just starts to act like the game is over? It’s really going right up my ass. The D-line starts playing sloppy as sht, lining up in the neutral zone, jumping Offside, getting out of rush lanes. Von is the worst when it comes to this - you can see him just trying to pad his stats but they all do it. This game should never have been in question after the last field goal but the D just decided to play backyard football. It never should have come down to Gabe “Maybe I’ll catch it, Maybe I won’t” Davis botching the onsides kick (Gabe is on the HANDS team??) and thank god for Jones pushing the ball out of bounds because you all KNOW the Browns were gonna score or get a phantom PI in the end zone with a few seconds left. Anyway, as I said in the beginning, the W is all that really matters. Get a somewhat regular week and build on this on Thanksgiving. Go Bills!

1) Josh doesn’t force the ball and takes what the defense gives him 2) A commitment to the running game for 4 quarters 3) No turnovers 4) Improved play calling in the Red Zone 5) Better controlled rush than we’ve been getting from our 4 down linemen

Just said on NFL network that Poyer says he’s going to play. That’s a plus.

I have nothing to add to this excellent synopsis of what’s going on with our team. It’s maddening to me how conservative we are when it comes to integrating young/new players into our offense. The main take away is Josh is being asked to do too much. He NEEDS to be able to not play his best and we can still win a game. I think we have the playmakers that can do this, Dorsey just needs to call a better game. Dorsey is in a slump in the red zone. His play calling sucks in the RZ and he’s gotta stick with the run more. Dorsey needs to reign in Josh a little bit, integrate other players, stick with the run game, and take some pressure off Allen so he doesn’t have to be Super Man every game. We won’t go far in the playoffs if it’s 100% Josh.

It’s a mental thing right now, it’s in Trey’s head. That doesn’t mean he doesn’t want to play, he’s just not ready mentally to test it. He will see some snaps against NE. I doubt he’ll play Thanksgiving if he’s not playing Sunday.

Murph is so f’n horrible I have no idea how he keeps that job. I had to listen to the KC game on the radio as I was driving home from Syracuse to RI. He was so horrible I had to change to the Sirius KC feed, and I hate those guys! While listening to Murph, I had absolutely no idea what was going on in the game. He get’s our own players wrong. He has no idea what actually happens on a play (It’s a TD!!! No wait, it was dropped at the 10 yard line), he consistently gets the yardage wrong, and if it’s like 3rd and short forget it wait until commercial break to see if they made it. God awful. My listening to him I could not get a picture in my head of what was actually happening on any given play. He’s that bad.

This isn’t an airport. You don’t have to announce your departure. That being said, this board has had access to a number of legitimate Bills insiders and have chased off every one of them because a number of idiots on here have no way to frame a question without being inflammatory or aggressive or take advantage of the access to take personal shots in order to make themselves feel better. Frankly I wouldn’t bother with this place either if I were connected with the Bills

Dorsey is the problem. Everyone says “Ohhh he’s a psycho he’s so competitive blah blah” well that’s the issue. When you combine his aggressiveness with Josh’s, you get bad football. Dabol was a moderating force to Josh’s internal competitiveness. Dorsey has been absolutely destroyed in the second half of the last 3 games. Flat out coached easily. He has no ability to adjust to what his early season offense was. Zero running game, zero intermediate game, horrible red zone play calling (how many times are we 1st and goal from the 5ish and throw the ball every down??) No, he doesn’t throw the pics Josh has been killing us with. BUT, he can call plays where the reads are short to deep instead of deep to short when Josh his Sugar High Josh. The job of the OC is to recognize how his QB is playing and reign him in when needed. Dorsey is failing. There is no need to worry about him getting poached as a HC. And THANK GOD the MVP talk is over. Who give a sht the goal is the Super Bowl not Allen’s accolades.

A very Billsy loss

At this point I wouldn’t mind using Oliver money to snag OBJ if that’s what would do it. Now’s the time to go all in. We could draft another DL in the mid rounds and get the same amount of production we’ve seen from Ed. Unless these coaches really feel he’s about to break out but it’s year 4, we’ve heard the same thing about Edmunds but at least Edmunds has stepped up a little this year.

He never had a UCL sprain, or if he did it was Grade 1 which is micro-tearing and no loss of stability. The media speculation went wild and McD let them do so for strategic reasons. I think this was all Ulnar nerve neuropraxia which basically means Allen really whacked his funny bone. Look at the evidence 1 - no direct hit on the elbow, it was a torque injury when he was moving the arm forward. The ulnar nerve runs on the inside of the elbow and gets stretched in that position so when he took the shot it got stretched even more 2 - the physical evidence during the game showed Allen shaking his arm and clenching his fist. Just like when you bang your funny bone and the pain shoots down the nerve into the hand 3 - He dirted the first throw after the hit. That’s because he couldn’t grip the ball (the ulnar supplied a lot of the muscle in the palm along with pinky finger and half the ring finger), 4 - On the next throw he uncorked a BOMB that hit Gabe Mr Inconsistency Davis right in the dome. He got the nerve function back So what happens when you really whack the funny bone? It hurts like hell, you can get some inflammation and basically need to rest the arm, which JA did by not practicing. Doesn’t hurt that he’s a f’n cyborg and heals fast. So, Dr. Chao, “Doctor” Kyle Trimble, Dr. Thighdoc or whatever were all 100% speculation based on nothing but erroneous media reports because the Bills revealed NOTHING. That’s some Belichik level gamesmanship and kudos to McD for keeping it quiet while it played out.

I’m more concerned about the overall slump this team is in that past 2 games instead of any particular player. No one is playing really well except Diggs. There’s not one easy fix, every unit including special teams needs to snap out of it. #1 is the turnovers which have recently been 100% Josh. We are the worst in the league, you can’t go far at all playing that sloppy. Dorsey has me concerned, the league has caught up to what he wants to do, how’s he going to adjust? This goes hand in hand with Josh playing long ball all game, not seeing the field well and not taking the short stuff. I have confidence JA will turn it around when he comes back. I’m not so confident Dorsey will be able to adjust and get us a respectable running game. The injuries absolutely have had a major impact, but we’ve had 2 winnable games that we didn’t pull out. I’d feel better if we played well and just lost a tough one but I really feel we are playing like crap on both sides of the ball. I do have confidence McD can get these guys focused and go on a run, just have to hope Keenum can hold the fort for a couple weeks.

Any injury to Josh’s throwing arm is a potential disaster. In my struggle to find anything positive out of the disgusting last 6 quarters, it’s that if Josh can play, maybe he and Dorsey will be forced to emphasize the short game more. Josh has been forcing it for 6 quarters. He’s giving up the easy short stuff again for tight window throws on bracketed receivers further down the field. If he can play, I don’t think the game plan will be constant downfield throws. Heck, Dorsey may even be forced to run the ball a little. I’ll say it again, this team needs an effective running game to go far in the playoffs. They abandon it too quickly and IDK if that’s Josh switching up the plays or Dorsey being pass happy. The O needs to be fixed quick and that includes putting receivers on the field who actually catch the damn ball. I’m getting sick of Davis dropping balls that a competent #2 would catch. I love his potential but I hate that he has a breakout game then disappears for 3-4 games then pops up again.

Your guess is wrong, your assumption about physicians not being taught physical examination thoroughly is downright hilarious, and the lack of excessive quotation marks in your reply is leaving me a little disappointed.

Trimble isn’t a physician. He’s never had to make a diagnosis in his career. He treats patient after a medical doctor has done all the work diagnosing and recommending physical therapy. He’s very good at what he does, which is treating with physical therapy injuries which have been diagnosed by someone else and seeing how long it takes for patients to recover from different types of injuries. Anyone with any medical background can look at what happened to Josh and make guesses about what injuries could have occurred.

When are we allowed to question Dorsey’s play calling? I’m starting to question his ability to adjust. We only have Allen and Diggs, that’s it. He’s not scheming open easy throws and has all but abandoned the running game. you can get away with that when Allen is playing lights out but when he’s playing crappy there’s no adjustment.

This game just exposed us to what we are - a team way over dependent on our QB to play lights out every single week. If Josh has an off day, we have no way to win. He’s getting no help from receivers outside of Diggs. The biggest problem, which stems from last year, is we have no will or ability to run the ball. Dorsey is pass happy, that’s obvious. I like the guy, but the play calling was abysmal given what we saw from Josh early on. You can tell real quick when Josh is on or not, and it was clear from the first drive he wasn’t on. That doesn’t mean running the triple option, it means calling plays with easy throws and catches to get him in rhythm. We refuse to do this. His only short option in the passing game is RBs. Idk if it’s because no one else is getting open, but Gabe sucks right now, Shakir is invisible, McKenzie is McKenzie, and where the F is KNOX?? If Josh doesn’t have a perfect game we are toast. The Jets 100% deserved to win this game. We were outcoached, outplayed, out everything. Our superstar QB sucked but even the last throw of the game he hit Gabe between the 1 and the 3. MAKE A PLAY FOR THE LOVE OF GOD. You guys nailed the D. Yeah, we have a lot of injuries and Frazier is too stubborn but we only gave up 20 points. Should be able to win with that.

I agree the line has been up and down. I’d like to see more consistency, and I think we are starting to see the Kromer effect, finally. I’m not an O-line guru by any stretch but I think the pass blocking has been above average and the run blocking started off crap (zone) and is getting better (gap), just like last year. I hope it continues. Spencer Brown has popped up on my radar. Idk if this is going to be one of those years where he’s dinged up constantly and that is affecting his play, or if he’s reached his ceiling which isn’t good enough. I’m sure McD is going to give him plenty of chances to improve and solidify that right side.

What exact starting safety was available and what price were you willing to pay?

The TBD clown show is in full effect!! How can you not LOVE this move? First of all getting rid of Moss alone is addition by subtraction. I had high hopes, he sucked, we are on to Cincinnati. All you clowns bellyaching OMG BEANE DOESNT KNOW WHAT HES DOING AT RB can suck it. Only at TBD do fans expect a perfect GM, a perfect QB, a perfect OC, a perfect team every play, every down every time. Now this doesn’t mean Cook sucks, it doesn’t mean Singletary is gone. Not one of you know what McBeane is thinking in terms of how we are going to utilize him. We can only guess and time will tell. So no we didn’t waste a second round pick on Cook. Here’s my completely uninformed opinion which is as much of a guess as the rest of yours - 1) Singletary is going to carry the load and be spelled by Cook 2) Hines is going to start off in the 3rd down roll for both of them All three are going too see the field with Singletary being the bell cow for as much as a RB can be on this team I LOVE this move. Hines has talent, he’s versatile, he plays ST/RB/Slot. He’s a Swiss Army knife which we hope and think Cook turns into. I love this move because it takes the pressure off Cook and allows McBeane to bring him along and not force him into action. YES, I expected more from Cook sooner BUT just like Josh (and no not at Josh’s level so relax) you can see the talent, the potential that’s there. This allows McBeane to bring him along while we are in a SB window but not have to depend on Cook if he’s not ready. Also, the NFL season is a lot longer than college and they don’t want Cook burning out and hitting the rookie wall. I think Singletary gets re-signed and this gives us leverage to get him to take a team friendly deal. I see all 3 of these guys next year with Cook eventually being number one after he packs on a little muscle with the TB12 method. Add in the fact that we have Marlow back as safety insurance and Beane is a friggin WIZARD BTW, the fact that McAfee who knows the colts inside and out loves this moves for the Bills, then lost his sht when he heard the compensation is GOLD

Over 700 posts in 2 months, all of which suck. That is an impressive level of consistency which I can only hope our run D achieves the rest of the season. As for the second half run D, all the defensive lineman were rushing the passer and getting out of their run fits. They were expecting at some point for Rogers to start passing and it never happened. Von even asked him on the field “When are you guys going to throw?” This D can stop the run using the nickel, they’ve been the #1 run D so far. Until another team runs the ball down our throats when we are actually trying to stop it (like last year) I’m not at all concerned about that second half.

Holy crap nothing like TBD to over dissect a 10 point win to death. The expectations being placed on Josh are unrealistic. No QB plays perfect every down of every game. Some of you need to be on anti-anxiety meds. Yeah he didn’t have a good second half. So what. It happens to every single QB. Stop blowing it out of proportion and making it something its not. I don’t care about the stats, I don’t care about the MVP talk, I care about W’s. We won. Every game isn’t going to be a 40 point beat down. You can’t extrapolate what happened in this game to what might happen against any other team. We weren’t playing the Chiefs. We weren’t playing the Eagles. We were playing a clearly inferior opponent and the game was never in doubt after the 2 score lead. What if’s don’t matter. Enjoy the W. We are on to Cincinnati (Jets)

Do you watch football? Seriously, this crusade is lame. The Bills stayed in nickel against heavy fronts all game. Yes, we would have liked a better run D, BUT, when we were up 2-3 scores and GB continued to run, essentially conceding the game, there was no reason to adjust to 3 LB to stop it. No, running the ball is not the same as passing for the same yardage because the Bills weren’t going to give up the quick score. Get it? We were up 2-3 scores, we weren’t going to let them score quick, so we stayed in nickel and let them run. It’s not that hard.

Nahh. They had a sloppy game against an inferior opponent and won by 2 scores. They had a first ballot HOF QB and the game really was never in question. Maybe they pick up OBJ, maybe not. Our WRs are fine it was a typical post-bye McDemott win. He’s 6–0 now after the bye and they’ve all been as little sloppy in some way. Honestly this is probably the best outcome. They get a W but no one is satisfied which means they will stay hungry. Josh even said it was a “gross” win which was exactly what we all saw.