OldTimer1960

I’m with you on that. QBs get overdrafted every year.

To me, if Mayfield is still available after Denver’s pick, they should start trying to trade up.

White, Rudolph, Lauletta and I read at least one scouting service that said Chase Liston would be a 1st round pick if he were in next year’s draft.

It isn't that I am opposed to trading up, rather I think they have been shutout of that chance now that the Jets are at 3. It is hard to imagine that Rosen and Darnold won't both be gone by pick 3. Denver is at pick 5 and will take Allen or Mayfield. If if you trade with Cleveland at 4, you might get your choice of Allen and Mayfield, but that will be very costly to get one of them. if you can't get ahead of Denver, then you are likely left with one of Allen/Mayfield and Lamar Jackson. If, say it is Allen and Jackson left, do you really want to take one of them? I'm not asking to be snarky, just saying that they are both very risky projections.

I'm not saying that Mason Rudolph IS who they want, but I can why they might like him. I know that some folks on here spend a good deal of time actually watching game cut ups of the prospects, but it feels like a lot of folks have read one or two draft lists and they have formed an opinion only on that. All that I am saying is that Rudolph his excellent size, was a 3 year starter, was highly productive and is reportedly smart and a good leader. Would it be better if his arm was stronger? Sure, but there are definitely things to like about him. For anyone who would like to war has some of his games, several can be found on draftbreakdown.com. Here is one last season against Pitt. Note thieves contain every play involving him during the game - they aren't highlights. http://draftbreakdown.com/2017/12/11/mason-rudolph-vs-pittsburgh-2017/

Nice well informed opinion. Thanks for that contribution.

Yep - Jets’ picks were worth more than the Bills’ picks, no matter what some believe.

Agree !

No sh*t.

The difference is that the Jets’ 6th overall pick was wort much more than pick 12 AND both Jets’ 2nds were higher than the Bills’ 2 2nds. No treally that surprising except to those who thought that the Bills’ draft capital was far superior to all other teams.

Yes and no. i agree that Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield and Allen are the top prospects at QB. Yet, I don’t think that Jackson or Rudolph or White or Lauletta are much below that level.

Those are not highlight reels. Check it out before commenting. You know that how?

I am not a professional scout, but yes i’ve watched Rudolph’s games on draftbreakdown.com. He is big, 3 year starter, highly productive, reportedly very smart and a leader and reportedly a hard worker. Additionally, most of the draft pundits have him on the border between 1st and 2nd round. QBs are always drafted higher than projected due to demand exceeding supply.

Who do you want to aim for? I don't think there is a chance now to get Rosen or Darnold. I would happily take Mayfield, but I don't see how you get him unless someone at the top takes Allen instead of him. For the record (whatever that is worth), I am not opposed to taking a chance on Allen or Jackson, but I definitely could imagine Rudolph being the kind of guy that the Bills like. Smart, good leader, big, 3 year starter. Admittedly, his arm is not quite as good as the other 4, but Brady and Brees have excelled for years without exceptional arm strength.

Have you seen any of Rudolph's games? If yes, then tell me why you are so opposed and please don't say he is from a "gimmick offense" unless you can tell me why it is such a gimmick.

True enough about projecting our needs, but i think they have to assume that someone might trade into one of those slots for a QB. Maybe the Bills would not care at that point. Who knows if they'd be just about as happy with Jackson or Rudolph or someone in round 2? i don't think the plan is to hope that McCarron is the long-term answer, but he might be the plan for 2018.

But any of those teams could trade out with another team who wants a QB. I would think Arizona is the prime candidate to do so, but maybe they won't be willing to trade up after they signed Bradford.

I could live with that plan, too.

Someone earlier summed this up well - why would TB want a 30 year old highly paid pass rusher who had 4 sacks last season? Now, I’m not saying that Hughes couldn’t have a more productive year in 2018, but I don’t think TB would trade anything of value to take that gamble.

I don’t see that as plausible at all. I am sure the Jets tried to trade with the Giants and it appears that the Giants want to stay put - or- would trade out only for an unreasonable amount. This is what I was talking about when I said the Bills “draft capital” wasn’t all that much better than the Jets’ or Broncos’. At this point, I would expect Darnold, Rosen and either Allen or Mayfield to be gone in the first 5 or 6 picks. If the Bills can’t get up to take Mayfield, I think they will look for Lamar Jackson or Mason Rudolph, perhaps moving up a bit from 22 for one of them. Unlike many here, I think Rudolph is a good prospect.

I could get on board with this. I think Rudolph could be pretty good.

If that happens then the Jets will have traded for the third selected QB in the draft. It does not necessarily mean that QB is the 3rd best.

Mayfield is a much better passer than Flutie ever was, but cut Flutie some slack because he was late in his career and his arm was shot when he got to Buffalo.

This thread is ridiculous - all sorts of “experts” who know that the Bills overpaid for Lotulelei. Some PFF run stop% quoted -what exactly is that measuring? The comparison to Albert Haynesworth is really off base - at least in my opinion. Haynesworth was a talented problem child, Lotulelei, by most accounts, is a good teammate and worker whose role is to clog the middle in run defense and do a little pocket pushing on pass plays. We are witnessing the making of the next TBD whipping boy and he hasn’t even played a down here.

I think that Allen is the most risky prospect of the top QBs, but his supporting cast was so weak it is hard for me to hold his completion % against him. If he ends up in a good situation, he could become outstanding. Of course, he could also never get his accuracy issues fixed and bomb out. i would certainly understand if the Bills were to draft him.